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Posted: 13 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: Tanyaz

Suprya , when I do the update thread today , I will copy and paste your post there too so that many more read it ..It is a fantastic character analysis and should be read by many here ...

as you wish di...i don't really mind people reading it...some of them need to😳
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Posted: 13 years ago
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You know Supriya , one of the biggest reasons wh ythis foolish woman gives so much importance to Savita is because if she has ever dared to go against Savita then she gets in big trouble with Manav ..The only way to keep Manav happy is to keep savita happy , even if savita is wrong ...
I will tell you why I say this ...
1. When once she told him that savita is giving too much money to Rasika and that is wrong , he told her off that my mother will elarn herself and you leave her alone ...
2. When Savita told him that she did not money to Vandu , he did not even listen to Archana , dragged her to Rasika's house and insulted her this way , only to be told by Vandita that he has to stop trusting his mother so much ( which he obviously didn't listen and hence this whole seperation ) .
3. He actually believed it that Archana tried to burn Savita ...just because savita said so ...😆
4. he immediately believed savita that Archana is asking for money in exchange for her children ...wah wah , kya baat hey ...👏
5. Savita had to tell him only once that because of Soham , sachin is getting neglected and he immediately wanted to get rid of Soham for good ..He did not even consult Archaan before saying yes for legal adoption ...
6. He cut himself off from savita for a few days because he wanted Archana to be accepted as a bahu ...but he never stopped crying for his Mommy dearest like a little baby ..What else was an emotional fool Archana supposed to do then, obviously had to go back even if it meant for her to take abuse ..
7. In the begining also , he would never stop savita from making dowry demands and actually did that terrible act of buying the necklace and giving it to her ...
8. He got involved with another woman and put sindoor on her maang in front of Archana only to keep savita happy ...
9 . He got engaged in front of his wife to another woman only to keep savita happy ..
10. Even now he has made sure that his children should love Sharavni aunty because this is what his mother wants and that his children should hate Archana because again this is what Savita wants ...
I am not saying he did not do good at all...He has done good also for Archana but now I do believe in two things ...
1. He has done more harm than good ..
2. He does not love Archana ,...he only loves his mother ( even sachin he loves because to keep his mother happy ) .
As you had said , he was loving this ego boosting that Archana did for him as his own family did not give him that much importance when he was just a mechanic .
Also he is attracted by her looks but that is something else , not true love ...
He does not even loves his daughters as much as he loves Savita because he kept savita happy by making the girls hate their mother and did not give a damn what it did to their young minds ...what was more important was that Savita gets what she wants ,...
Manav has a mother obsession ...
He should now just live with the woman whome his mother always wanted to be his wife ...that is Shraavni ...
Bu tI hope Archana gets her daughters back ...
Archana should never go back to Manav because her happiness only depends on how and till when is savita happy with her ...the day savita is not happy , out she goes again ...
Edited by Tanyaz - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: charmedforlife

OMG Supriya , I would love if this happened ..
I am also very put off with Archana running after him and giving in the the emotional blackmail from sachin ...but I think that between manav and Archana she is the lesser evil here ...😆
Absolutely true👍🏼Archana is being her sacrificial self here...that is her foremost character trait...it has reached to another level but is is because her self-esteem her self respect has fallen so low that she's forgotten to believe in herself...that guy had hurt her so bad,,,taken everything out of her and that is why she has zero self confidence.If you look back di...she has always been that way,each and every decision has been made for her and whenever she did make a decision by herself,people thought it was so out of character that they put her down completely...so the root cause of this is archana but even moreso,each and every single person in her life which in one way or the other taken advantage of her goodness...and it adds insult to injury when you think that all this has been done by the very one's she loves,lives and can die for...Manav... at one point Sulochana and damodar...people praise Damodar but the fact is he is useless...if we look at the context of only the character.He too is good but he has no standing and after knowing all the facts,if he doesn't tell...well i don't know what else to say
He is always ' I am this , I am that " ... " I suffered this , I suffered that " ...
Good God , he was the one who threw Archan out of his house ...did not even listen to her old parents ( I remember a scene with poor Manohar crying in his house ) then he listened to Dharmesh ( of all the people 😆 ) took his advise and snatched the girls away from Archana threatening her never to be anywhere near them ...
He is one big cry baby...that is what he is.he has self reproach because he thinks that she's done him wrong(which she has not)atleast for the reasons he thinks,viz-a-viz selling off her daughters(yuck!!for thinking that manav).Secondly for still loving her.and since he still loves her and can't have her,he's playing the blame game...he's holding her resposible for everything that has gone bad in his like...and he has real selective memory because his many failures were of hi own doing and Archana was always with him...
Tanya di..let's be honest...Manav was a complete loser...for the lack of better word.he couldn't hold any job for more than ten days if you see from the beginning.who was with him?Archana!!
He failed time and again and who gave his emotional support?Archana!!!They lost their baby...because he didn't have any money and when they did...he like a escapist left(we are not looking at the reason's behind this,his insult and the death of the child)and that was the time when archana needed him the most!!and still he did not want to go back...praying to Bappa to forgive him and for Archana to do the same...?why couldn't he just go back??Mind you di...he wasn't going to go back...it was just Archana who found him and that's why they were together again!!!
Then he became a big Hot-shot...good.then again he starting misunderstanding her..!she doesn't know english...so fight with her and ALWAYS without a fail he trusted someone else other than the person whom he claimed to love the most.Then he got intentionally or un-intentionally involved with a girl and who.. saved him? ARCHANAA...there is more😆The vandu case...he dragged his wife to her sister-in-laws house in the middle of the night to insult her and then again had the audacity to ask for forgiveness!!!there must be numerous other examples which i must be forgetting...you can fill in!!!so Manav has been a terrible husband since the beginning...he was just enamoured with Archana's beauty and the fact that she listened to every thing he said...he enjoyed that because he had no say in his own home and he had got a guinnue pig in her to take his frustrations and Crap out!!!!!!!
Gave the tickets to his mother ( after knowing fully well how much she hates Archana ) , gave his mobile to his mother so that he would not have anything to do with her when she was coming after him to the airport ...
He's not joru ka gulam...he's his ma ka gulam and that is what happened.Complete utter unquestioning faith to someone like that...he deserves to be miserable for the rest of his life.
Then despite of being so rich , never send a single ruppee to her ...he took the girls away so he should have contacted her about them ...but he never did ...
Because he wanted her to...stupid man...she didn't know any contacts and gave her him the girls because se wanted to compensate.she thought that it was because of her that he had lost his son so she thought she could give her daughter's for him to be happy.(SO WRONG WAS SHE)and also because she did not want to fight a case against her husband...especially after what happened.But even that wasn't enough for him...he wanted a permanent ego booster for the rest of his life and that was archana...she wasn't there and he still expected her to go running after him and be at his command.which she wasn't...so he conviniently forgot all facts that she didn't have his address...his contact number...and niether money...i wonder how how thought she would come?!!!
and even if she could...say hypothetically...she wouldn't have because he told her to stay away and she thought that her daughter's will be fine with him...she was still obeying HIS wishes unbeknowest to him...which he would never acknowledge...
Then hated her for 18 years and always believed the worst of her ...
And now when he came back, he is super angry that she dare to say NO to him ...
He's has developed a huge ego...of everything he never had that di...he's developed that vice as well...
My goodness me ...what does he thinks of himself ...???? 😲😲😲
Nothing...or atleast he shouldn't think he's anything.he's been a bad husband and a bad father.he might be selectively good for giving his girls luxury and money...but he's screwed up their psche.do you realise di,tha he spew all of his hatred and negativity towards Archana onhis own daughter's?and when he did that...he thought that his hatred was justified and his daughter's ought to hate their mother as much as he did...on top of that savita...she's sure going to hell after her sins...!i don't know how she sleeps at night...how does the guilt not kill her?she had destroyed the lives of her Grand children...again to justify her hatred towards archana.like mother...like son.And childhood are the most formative years di and this will have an effect on them for the rest of their lives.Even if Archana get's together with her Daughter's now...can you imagine how hurt they will feel when they fing out that their father and granf mother...around whom their lives revolved ruined them and robbed them of their mother's love?how would they feel that the two people who were the epitome of love for them...are liers?the'l get back one relationship...but in turn they will loose two...Manav and Savita have committed a sin.
That is what I hate most about Archana is that she keeps praising him to the skies all the time ..This about Archana is puting me off her more than anything else ...

That is Archana's only faault...goodness and self sacrifice to the point of stupidity and oblivion!!!the again...lack of self esteem and self confidence created this in her...so sad😭 I believe that the most beautiful relation in the serial now is of Archana and Purvi...no purer relation that mother and daughter... So that's what i think of the three year old serial😆
Supriya,
What an amazing post.👏👏👏👏👏
Very well said and the absolute truth.
Fantastically analysed and I think Ekta and her writers should be made to read this recap of the flaws in the relationship of Archana and Manav and how the way they have lived their lives, have and will affect their children.
The way your analysed Savita and Damodar and their impact on their family, is also terrific.
I loved this post and thank you for it.🤗
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ supriya, Thanks for reminding us of some of the ways Manav has treated Archana over the long haul...i had forgotten some of those. Yes, Archana's lack of self esteem and self respect is her biggest problem and she has been treated terribly by so so many, which only continues to feed her lack of self love, especially by her husband. The worse people treat her, the more she loves them.
I am seriously wondering about the creators and writers of this show. Is it possible they don't know what they have created? Are they also lacking in self esteem? I mean how could you continue to portray the lead characters of a show as the weakest and most emotionally needy?

@ Tanya...i love Teju's character. I think she is spontaneous (to put it mildly 😆 ) and in her defense of playing the serious role, i thought she did very well. This (character) is a girl who has had almost no (i mean zero) emotional guidance. No woman to encourage her, cry with her, hug her. I think that the awkwardness that you and others may have observed, whether intentional by the actress, or novice, was actually very appropriate. My heart is touched by Teju and i love her scenes. Only 4 people left to appreciate, Teju, DK, Arjun and Purvi. oh well, it could be worse. There could be absolutely zip. Then of course... we'd all say bye bye.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: Tanyaz

You know Supriya , one of the biggest reasons wh ythis foolish woman gives so much importance to Savita is because if she has ever dared to go against Savita then she gets in big trouble with Manav ..The only way to keep Manav happy is to keep savita happy , even if savita is wrong ...

I will tell you why I say this ...
1. When once she told him that savita is giving too much money to Rasika and that is wrong , he told her off that my mother will elarn herself and you leave her alone ...
2. When Savita told him that she did not money to Vandu , he did not even listen to Archana , dragged her to Rasika's house and insulted her this way , only to be told by Vandita that he has to stop trusting his mother so much ( which he obviously didn't listen and hence this whole seperation ) .
3. He actually believed it that Archana tried to burn Savita ...just because savita said so ...😆
4. he immediately believed savita that Archana is asking for money in exchange for her children ...wah wah , kya baat hey ...👏
5. Savita had to tell him only once that because of Soham , sachin is getting neglected and he immediately wanted to get rid of Soham for good ..He did not even consult Archaan before saying yes for legal adoption ...
6. He cut himself off from savita for a few days because he wanted Archana to be accepted as a bahu ...but he never stopped crying for his Mommy dearest like a little baby ..What else was an emotional fool Archana supposed to do then, obviously had to go back even if it meant for her to take abuse ..
7. In the begining also , he would never stop savita from making dowry demands and actually did that terrible act of buying the necklace and giving it to her ...
8. He got involved with another woman and put sindoor on her maang in front of Archana only to keep savita happy ...
9 . He got engaged in front of his wife to another woman only to keep savita happy ..
10. Even now he has made sure that his children should love Sharavni aunty because this is what his mother wants and that his children should hate Archana because again this is what Savita wants ...
I am not saying he did not do good at all...He has done good also for Archana but now I do believe in two things ...
1. He has done more harm than good ..
2. He does not love Archana ,...he only loves his mother ( even sachin he loves because to keep his mother happy ) .
As you had said , he was loving this ego boosting that Archana did for him as his own family did not give him that much importance when he was just a mechanic .
Also he is attracted by her looks but that is something else , not true love ...
He does not even loves his daughters as much as he loves Savita because he kept savita happy by making the girls hate their mother and did not give a damn what it did to their young minds ...what was more important was that Savita gets what she wants ,...
Manav has a mother obsession ...
He should now just live with the woman whome his mother always wanted to be his wife ...that is Shraavni ...
Bu tI hope Archana gets her daughters back ...
Archana should never go back to Manav because her happiness only depends on how and till when is savita happy with her ...the day savita is not happy , out she goes again ...

WOOOW...excelllent di...👏👏👏👏 So true...why does she love that man di?i think she feels indebted to him that he accepted him despite her lack of education and because of his stupid habit of helping her parents...let's not even talk about tha K clan...i am not that good a psychologist😆
Di...you can put this post their too...as character bifocation of Pavitra Rishta.People look for logic...basic traits of people make things easier to understand...if they want to😛
thanks for liking the post di😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: suan

That is Archana's only faault...goodness and self sacrifice to the point of stupidity and oblivion!!!the again...lack of self esteem and self confidence created this in her...so sad😭 I believe that the most beautiful relation in the serial now is of Archana and Purvi...no purer relation that mother and daughter... So that's what i think of the three year old serial😆

Supriya,
What an amazing post.👏👏👏👏👏
Very well said and the absolute truth.
Fantastically analysed and I think Ekta and her writers should be made to read this recap of the flaws in the relationship of Archana and Manav and how the way they have lived their lives, have and will affect their children.
The way your analysed Savita and Damodar and their impact on their family, is also terrific.
I loved this post and thank you for it.🤗
Thank you sharon di...it was sooo long when i finished writing that i thought i should revise it...but i wanted to say all of this for soo long...just never got the chance or sometimes didn't want to...but i am glad i did.Understanding the character in the real sense is really important.
contructive criticisms and correct arguments are always welcome...but insulting just for the sake of it is unjust...i am glad that you liked and understood the different shades of character's through my post😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
#87

Originally posted by: Tanyaz

You know Supriya , one of the biggest reasons wh ythis foolish woman gives so much importance to Savita is because if she has ever dared to go against Savita then she gets in big trouble with Manav ..The only way to keep Manav happy is to keep savita happy , even if savita is wrong ...

I will tell you why I say this ...
1. When once she told him that savita is giving too much money to Rasika and that is wrong , he told her off that my mother will elarn herself and you leave her alone ...
2. When Savita told him that she did not money to Vandu , he did not even listen to Archana , dragged her to Rasika's house and insulted her this way , only to be told by Vandita that he has to stop trusting his mother so much ( which he obviously didn't listen and hence this whole seperation ) .
3. He actually believed it that Archana tried to burn Savita ...just because savita said so ...😆
4. he immediately believed savita that Archana is asking for money in exchange for her children ...wah wah , kya baat hey ...👏
5. Savita had to tell him only once that because of Soham , sachin is getting neglected and he immediately wanted to get rid of Soham for good ..He did not even consult Archaan before saying yes for legal adoption ...
6. He cut himself off from savita for a few days because he wanted Archana to be accepted as a bahu ...but he never stopped crying for his Mommy dearest like a little baby ..What else was an emotional fool Archana supposed to do then, obviously had to go back even if it meant for her to take abuse ..
7. In the begining also , he would never stop savita from making dowry demands and actually did that terrible act of buying the necklace and giving it to her ...
8. He got involved with another woman and put sindoor on her maang in front of Archana only to keep savita happy ...
9 . He got engaged in front of his wife to another woman only to keep savita happy ..
10. Even now he has made sure that his children should love Sharavni aunty because this is what his mother wants and that his children should hate Archana because again this is what Savita wants ...
I am not saying he did not do good at all...He has done good also for Archana but now I do believe in two things ...
1. He has done more harm than good ..
2. He does not love Archana ,...he only loves his mother ( even sachin he loves because to keep his mother happy ) .
As you had said , he was loving this ego boosting that Archana did for him as his own family did not give him that much importance when he was just a mechanic .
Also he is attracted by her looks but that is something else , not true love ...
He does not even loves his daughters as much as he loves Savita because he kept savita happy by making the girls hate their mother and did not give a damn what it did to their young minds ...what was more important was that Savita gets what she wants ,...
Manav has a mother obsession ...
He should now just live with the woman whome his mother always wanted to be his wife ...that is Shraavni ...
Bu tI hope Archana gets her daughters back ...
Archana should never go back to Manav because her happiness only depends on how and till when is savita happy with her ...the day savita is not happy , out she goes again ...


I hate to quote the whole post, but it is so good i couldn't leave anything out, especially the part where you say he does not love archana. I think who Manav loves is himself. He's in love with himself and expressed by his adoration of his mother who is his mentor.

👏 👏 👏


Edited by naava - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Supriya,
What an amazing post.👏👏👏👏👏
Very well said and the absolute truth.
Fantastically analysed and I think Ekta and her writers should be made to read this recap of the flaws in the relationship of Archana and Manav and how the way they have lived their lives, have and will affect their children.
The way your analysed Savita and Damodar and their impact on their family, is also terrific.
I loved this post and thank you for it.🤗
Thank you sharon di...it was sooo long when i finished writing that i thought i should revise it...but i wanted to say all of this for soo long...just never got the chance or sometimes didn't want to...but i am glad i did.Understanding the character in the real sense is really important.
contructive criticisms and correct arguments are always welcome...but insulting just for the sake of it is unjust...i am glad that you liked and understood the different shades of character's through my post😃
I'm glad you didn't edit your views Supriya.😊
@blue...I agree with you too, 100%
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: charmedforlife

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So true...why does she love that man di?i think she feels indebted to him that he accepted him despite her lack of education and because of his stupid habit of helping her parents...let's not even talk about tha K clan...i am not that good a psychologist😆
Di...you can put this post their too...as character bifocation of Pavitra Rishta.People look for logic...basic traits of people make things easier to understand...if they want to😛
thanks for liking the post di😃

This has to be the reason ...and she does have a weakness for the underdog and Manav was one when she married him the second time ...
Archana has a low self esteem and she feels blessed tha the loved her ( I am talking about the first 2 months of their marriage ) ...and then his remarrying her again made her think that he loved her ...he did for sometime , till his mother obsession again took over his heart and mind ...
Also I think there is always a guilt that she has hurt him because of her bhabi's involvement with his family going to prison and how her family used to treat Manav ..
Oh I also hate the Karnjkars ...that family is no good .
Varsha , vaishali ...only now Sulochna has improved a little bit but I still don't trust her ...
Edited by Tanyaz - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Nice posts by tanya di and supriya...commendable...
Why dont you make a separate thread for this? That will be nice..

And thanks tanya di for the update..i dont know after how long im reading it😉 but could pick up everything from where i had left coz the story hasnt progressed...its the same ever now...!

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