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nikita

never forget the ramraksha that ur mom taught u . It will make u the greatest doctor in the world ! Ur efforts plus that Ramraksha will pave ur way to success .

I have immense faith in it . U will never be alone......her love will always follow u wherever u go . It is the truth .


Commentator : The ulgy communal war that they do with Rams name is unfortunate and senseless .

One more interesting fact for u : Ram as a mantra ......is regarded as the easiest in mantras to achieve self realization.

The interesting part is.........the mantra RAm existed much before Ram as a king was born . Valmiki was given the mantra Ram by Narada and after years of meditation on it , Valmiki achieved self realization . The Ramayana took place later or somewhere when Valmiki was coming out of his meditative state .

In the science of acoustics .........mantra vidya , a branch lost to us with the passage of time , the mantras RAm and Om are regarded as the easiest to utter and dispel fear and evil . They say , if u dont have a guru and u havent been initiated into a mantra , simply utter the Ram Naam . It is Enough . This fact for some reason is constantly repeated in our scriptures........in Every scripture .

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@ Kool,

Just for the sake of clarity..... so, you do actually believe that a king called Ram was born and ruled and married andwas then mythologized.Or don't you?

Lots of people believe that, of course, soyou're well within a long andrespectedtradition that takes ancient texts - and, as often happens,texts to which an ancient provenance is attributed - literally. I'm asking because I want to be certain where you stand.Just curious. You're under absolutely no compulsion torespond and I certainly wonlt hold either answer against you or your obvious intelligence.

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Commentator ........

Ram was indeed born , lived , and led a golden era in the history of India . He is not a mythological character but is part of the History of India . It has to be understood that this was in an era before the Kaliyuga .........Dwaparyuga , [ the historical remains still exist ] and that India , in its glorious state then was an undivided land extending geographically in many proportions and the boundaries were well extended . For instance historians agree that Luv .........Ram's son , one among twins Luv Kush , established Lahore [ Pakistan was included in India in those days ]. Also , Ram's brother Laxman has a temple dedicated to him in the South where he was assigned to do some administrative work by Rama after they returned from their fourteen year old exile . Mostly Laxman is looked upon as Ram's faithful brother but little is known of his talents as a potential King or a king's assistant . Laxman had to stay in the South for quite some years and such was his excellent administration that he has a temple built only for him ...........most of the temples have Ram Sita and laxman , but this particular temple has only Laxman's idol . { I forget the exact name right now ]

In fact all the 4 brothers were excellent rulers . Ram was extremely detached personally to kingship .and was totally ready to give it all up to his brothers and retire to achieve self realization . His personal life was filled with strife and constant ups and downs in which he neither for a long time experienced marital happiness nor had the joy of seeing his children grow up .

The ideological issues u speak of ........many question them . I have no issues , I study him as I see him , as I read about him by experts who studied his life , his glorious era . Ram's most questionable acts were his abandonment of Sita and his killing of vali the monkey king by shooting him when he was engaged in a duel with his brother when Vali himself hadnt harmed him at all . Many debates on the ethics of these two actions r done even today .

He was no ordinary king , he was self realized . There were some self realized souls who were born in the kingly state ........like Gautam Buddha or Rama or King Janak .......Sita's father and Rams father in law . It is interesting to note that Dasharath .......Ram's father was not self realized ..........but Rams father in law was . Rams brothers were also evidently in an advanced state of spiritual enlightenment . He has been described as dark , not fair , [ hence the blue colour in his paintings] ..........it is safe to assume , say historians , that he was of a wheatish complexion , with shapely eyes , hands that reached below his knees when he stood erect , [ long armed ] , curly hair and a very calm temperament unlike his strict and hot tempered brother Laxman . Renunciation was his hallmark ........his total detachment to the Kingship thrust on him is what makes him great . He led his life strictly observing the Dharma of those times .........and sacrificed his personal life for it . His brothers worshipped him .

The only personal emotion Ram has betrayed was his love for Sita. Laxman has described how crazy he went when she was abducted and how he has wept , fondling a deer and a tree , coz Sita touched it with her hands daily , asking them if they knew where she was . When he abandoned her , an action for which he was greatly criticized , he was pressurized to get married again , but he flatly refused and treatened to give up the kingdom if any more pressue was put on him . It was the only point where he put his foot down for a personal emotion as above Dharma or duty . It has to be remembered that it was a time where a King cud marry easily four or five times for increasing his boundaries by making political alliances with other kingdoms and in his case he even needed an heir . So imagine how great the pressure must have been . his three mothers and guru Vasishta all tried to make him understand , but he firmly said that he would Not get married again . Seeing his resolve Vasishta retreated wisely , knowing his limit was stretched .

For the 12 years that Sita was away . Ram lived a life of a hermit , he slept on the floor and ate only fruits and roots and denied kingly comforts . Prior to that he had done it for 14 YEARS in his state of exile by kaikeyi . so guess what a chunk of his life has gone in living like a hermit inspite of being a king . Besides these 26 years , the 12 years at the Gurus ahram in his boyhood for training ...........so total at least 38 years . So a king in name only , with renunciation like a sage was his personality .

He gave up his body willingly after laxmana died , in the sarayu river where he took Jala Samadhi . witnessed by thousands . It was allowed in that era . No legal laws were ever bent by Rama.

His era is marked as Ram Rajya ........a glorious era in the anals of history of BharatVarsha .{ India today .]/

Hope this treatise didnt bore u . Most of it u must already be knowing .

Originally posted by: commentator

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@ Kool,

Thank you for responding. Again, your long post was very interesting because it gave me answers to my questions, not so much about Ram (you're right, much of the material you covered is familiar terrain for me) but about your ideas on the truth-value of the epics. My own attitude is somewhat different and we probably shouldn't get into an argumentabout this on IF. Safer to focus on the PRshenanigans.

Enjoying your posts and looking forward to more from you.

Commentator

Like I told u , Im neither a research scholar nor an authority , All i have are my experiences and my private reading which i enjoy thoroughly . The reasons for my belief however have nothing to do with research or the validity of those studies ..............they r entirely spiritual and different . But you are right this isnt the place to discuss that { although I wud have been interested like hell to know ur POV on the truth value of these epics ...........not to argue with u , but simply to enhance my knowledege as I love reading about different POVs . ]

So yeah , back to PR and ur FFs ! 😊

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@ Kool
guyz ur knowledge abt Indian mythology nd hindu rituals is quite an eye opener for me....hve to be honest, m a Hindu nd a brahmin as well....bt never interested in the shlokas or hymns, actually no one really gave such a wonderful insight before ......as a kid the rituals were more like a religious drudgery never had the interest to know their connotation, after reading all these m quite amazed nd seriously looking forward to such renderings.

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@ Kool
Very enlightening posts on Hindu mythology.Thanks.

Wanted to add another point.And Lord Ram is an avtaar of Lord Vishnu.
So are Lord Vithoba and Lord Krisha.

Lord Ram came as a Lay Man....prince and was never regarded as God ...only the wise sages recognized him.

Where as Lord Krishna came as a GOD himself and gave us the Bhagavad Gita.

Commentator

Reading this post has made me go through the experience of watching this lovely episode all over again.

A beautiful couple haplessly in love with each other but sad and restrained, negotiating their climb to their favorite Idol together and then man accepting her as his own in presence of Bappa as ever and a very heavy burden unloaded

When I read this- "There's a reason why I'm quoting all these texts: the creatives want us to understand that this is the divinely ordained truth to the Manav Archana relationship. How the couple will negotiate this truth in their trying circumstances of course, is the question that the creatives have been progressively getting more and more tied up in knots over" -It has awakened me to a minute but important possibility which points to some sound planning by creatives. It is thus. So far many of us have believed that Sindoor episode at Home has prompted the Sindoor episode at the temple as a balancing act by creatives to mollify the angers of viewers. But reading this post is making me feel other way round. The Shravani's Sindoor must have been showed actually to prepare us for Temple Sindoor Scene. And why was Sindoor at temple was so necessary? What I feel is something like this'

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@ creatives

Today you have come up with one of your old touch that had made this serial so lovable in the beginning. Your scripting was sharp [last seen in the court] and purposeful. When Manav had put Sindoor on Archana I as a viewer felt relieved. Not for a reason that it has countered Shravani's undeserved forceful painting and thus Archana 's humiliation there assuaged[Which is very much a result].Not for a reason that Manav has proclaimed his true love in front of Bappa [Which again is very much a result] but for a fact that by this simple act of admission Manav has proclaimed final discard of two heavy loads-an old distrust and hatred.

As a viewer I was long since agitated over Manav's two grief cries. Because they were honest and made from his heart and not prompted to come out by some out side manipulator like Aai or Manjusha.

In Jail he had lamented to Kaka " Ghar ki arthi nikal di..." .This was a distrust he genuinely felt for Archana as a complaint maker. Then in her House he has vowed his hatred.

Today with a pinch of Sindoor he has shown to us as a viewer his restored trust and final evaporation of "Tilanjali" .

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Now in absence of first Sindoor scene would not the temple episode lose some of its viewer sanction for being a renege[on his promise]? Please grant us your view.