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Posted: 15 years ago
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Archana is a real liar! As she does not even believe in Manav, who is her husband. And she also went an took divorce with him in the court, but she is saying that she has rishta with Manav's family and Manav. I mean what type of Rishta when she does not even believe her own husband who has been so nice to her,throughtout their marriage, he was also nice to archana's sister and family. I understand that manav's mother was mean to archana, but i think she could bear with it. I mean she does not even know how to handle the relationship, so why does she say that she has a rishta with MANAV.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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UMM yeah we have been discussing this from long time.. But i dont think she is a liar.. She is a but dumb.. N never really used her brains n kept following her mother.. N thats y she is in this position right now... She dint even follow her own heart... BUt i guess she will come around now...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I dont' know if I'd call her a liar, I think she's just one really confused woman. And I think we are starting to become confused with her. For example when they first showed the twist of false evidence against manav, we were under the impression that ArMan had only been living together for a month and were barely starting to know each other. In that case it is somewhat believable that Archana, given evidence, might believe that her husband has cheated her.
Now with all the recent developments, they have been saying that those two had stayed together for two months and the flashback about the FD's and kids, has shown them to be closer to each other than what most viewers understood.
I guess what i'm trying to say is that first of all I think we're confused in terms of the status of their relationship.
Secondly, I think that Archana still loves her husband deeply but given the evidence couldn't decide what to do. Pictures are worth a thousand words. In her heart she couldnt' completely accept it, but the decision was made for her by her family because of those pictures. The navratri pooja, showed this to, when she came back she was trying to tell her whole family that Manav is innocent and that she feels it, but was overruled by her family.

It is unclear, with recent flashbacks as to where ArMan's relationship was before this whole separation track. If we were clear on that, i think we as viewers would be able to digest the facts of the separation and Archana's action accordingly.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I believe she is not a liar its the circumstance what makes her feel in that way. Of late she has understood that with time its Manav what really stands out and in one of the sequence she tells that she signed the divorce papers only when Manav had signed it. Otherwise still the rishta holds so good for her and she never complains when her MIL gives one mouthfull of gaaliyan's.

She would never had gone for Sachin's engagement if the rishta dosent hold any good. Somewhere down the line its being wrong place at a wrong time. So what Manav is doing is also a misunderstanding so no we start calling him a liar......

All said n done Archana stands out, and makes her stand for her Rishta during one of the sequence. So i am all with her what she is done or doing................

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Firstly to answer the actual post, I wouldn't call Archana a "liar", but like the others I will say she is confused. She doesn't know what to believe. Yes, although I am still pretty mad at her for not believing Manav and for being such a cold/rude person towards him afterwards, I will admit that her situation was confusing.
As for the relationship with Manav's family, she never really broke that. She never had anything against Savita even if she was a monster-in-law many times. She loved the Deshmukh family as her own family and she still considered them as her own, as it was Manav who (seemingly) was the pimp, not the rest of the family. Now yes, the Karanjkar family as a whole had problems with most of the Deshmukhs (they didn't really have anything against Kaka and Vandita), but Archana never really did.
For her relationship with Manav, I think even the writers/creatives were confused as to what to portray. (For her going for the divorce, I think that she felt like Manav wanted it because he doubted her, so it made her determined to go along with the divorce as well. After her "awakening" I don't think she wants it anymore but will do it for Manav.)
When the proof against Manav was presented ArMan were about 3 weeks into their relationship and still quite shy. I rewatched a lot of ArMan scenes today and most of them were the most insignificant actions ever (when compared to general pati-patni romance on tv) such as shy glances and awkward moments that they were usually put into involuntarily. Yes they were special, and the love and trust was obvious to us, but it might have been easy (from what we had seen at that point) for Archana to pass it off as an infatuation because...
In September it seemed like Archana was just falling in love when all that drama happened and thus her turning her back on Manav made sense to quite an extent. Even her mean behavior afterwards made sense as afterall, how well did she even know this guy? She tried it out with him, as per usual, at her aai's request to give it her best shot. I think at that point anyone would believe PICTURE proof of someone (even their "husband") being a brothel-frequenting, characterless man who slept around quite a bit.
But then, after a few months of having us believe the above, all of the sudden a loving side of Archana comes out along with flashbacks, and this is where the confusion comes in that kshre25 explains quite well...

Originally posted by: kshre25

I dont' know if I'd call her a liar, I think she's just one really confused woman. And I think we are starting to become confused with her. For example when they first showed the twist of false evidence against manav, we were under the impression that ArMan had only been living together for a month and were barely starting to know each other. In that case it is somewhat believable that Archana, given evidence, might believe that her husband has cheated her.
Now with all the recent developments, they have been saying that those two had stayed together for two months and the flashback about the FD's and kids, has shown them to be closer to each other than what most viewers understood.
I guess what i'm trying to say is that first of all I think we're confused in terms of the status of their relationship.
Secondly, I think that Archana still loves her husband deeply but given the evidence couldn't decide what to do. Pictures are worth a thousand words. In her heart she couldnt' completely accept it, but the decision was made for her by her family because of those pictures. The navratri pooja, showed this to, when she came back she was trying to tell her whole family that Manav is innocent and that she feels it, but was overruled by her family.

It is unclear, with recent flashbacks as to where ArMan's relationship was before this whole separation track. If we were clear on that, i think we as viewers would be able to digest the facts of the separation and Archana's action accordingly.

We see these flashbacks which make the situation more confusing. The first one I remember was the tablet one, where Manav tells Archana to keep his tablets as she will always be there with him. Then we see the most recent one where they're talking about FDs and having children and hugging. Those a) changed the viewers beliefs on how close they were, because those scenes mean that ArMan were emotionally and rather physically intimate/comfortable before the day before the Satyanarayan pooja (we had been believing that that was the day when the rishta was really made from BOTH sides) and b) change Archana's situation.
So after setting both scenarios up, the September version and the December version, we can look at Archana's situations from both standpoints. Either way she loved Manav, but the deepness of it and the effect on the viewers changes.
September version:
Archana was in love with Manav, and we know it, but because of its newness she was able to pass it off as a bad dream. This version makes it easier to understand why she left him after seeing the proofs. When she tried to believe in Manav's innocence (due to the goodness she had seen in him), she was told off as an infatuated fool by her family. Then came the divorce papers with Manav's accusation which made it worse for her. With this version, Archana finally realized her love when she had to think of being with another man (Satish) and is now acting upon it.
December version:
This version makes it harder to understand why Archana left Manav, but we can assume that she momentarily swayed as they were pictures and then her family had a large role in convincing her. She also KNOWS how good Manav is and that she loves him, but the proofs are getting to her. She remains unsuccessful in convincing herself but tries to regardless, even though the love is still there, she wants to avoid further conflict. The rest is the same as the September version, with the divorce papers making matters worse but in this version Archana (when the Satish rishta comes) realizes that it may be getting too late now, and that if she loves Manav she'll have to go back. She knows that she loves him, but she realizes that she'll never stop and that he is her life... so on and so forth.
The ArMan fan version (what the creatives would like us to think and what I like to think to make it easier):
Archana and Manav always have and will love each other. Archana was really dumb to leave Manav as she loved and trusted him and he was a good guy. A bit of hate on Archana for being cold with Manav after she left and for never listening to him. Now she thankfully refused Satish and her aai and finally lets her love for Manav out. Sequences and logic ko maro goli because that flashback was cute and this is all doesn't matter too much in the end, because as time passes these previous events become less and less significant.
Sooo my point with all of that is that the confusion is being created by conflicting viewpoints and scenarios as presented by the ever forgetful creatives. Either way, Archana always loved Manav but has really just been confused for conflicting reasons, which confuses us.
Most of this isn't really at you puredesi21, but just in general.
Shooot that was long, I need to learn how to be more concise! 😆
Edited by toothbrush13 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Who is the LIAR?

Of course the creatives.the creatives t he creatives the creatives ......

Who is confused?
Of course the creatives.the creatives t he creatives the creatives
Every so called big twist and turn becomes insignificant as the story progresses.
Now they conveniently use flashbacks to recreate and even rewite the script. They are using the weakness of the viewers for Arman scenes to put the story in a completely new perspective using these tools .So they are the real villians and cheaters.
Pray when did these scenes happen? As the previous post says, In september they were not even talking to each other properly. (Remember the your khamoshi and my khamoshi spoke to each other dialogue which Manav says)
So when were they discussing FDs and babies? When did Manav actually get time to make these FDs (I wont go further and say how many FDs in two months for a guy who is supposedly living hand to mouth) And more importantly Savita Aai, who is seen picking Manav's pocket and counting coins at times, will she allow such a thing to happen. After all, Manav is shown to be mama's boy!!!
When did they talk enough to discuss the meaning of Pavitra Rishta like a seasoned experienced couple. Given their age do you think people really can talk like that? It was like aaai says this and that game. HUHHHH.
Like the famous Pavlov's dog experiment, they have the poor viewers salivating for more Arman scenes. They ring the bell and we start .....
Of couse in Ekta Universe the word logic does not exist. So please dont waste time analysing Archana's behaviour or Manav's behaviour or Sulochana's behaviour or ...... etc etc
At least for now you will be able to trace back and answer "AAkhir shuruath kahan se hui "
After a few months , even that will become impossible.( Maybe one can have a game on that then, more revenue ha ha ha)
Have you seen the tamil version. I would not say it is agreat serial but at least it is logical.
What a shameful end to a great plot.
My advice to all those PR fans. Psyche yourself. Think of this as a tragic version of a Manmohan Desai film (Whatever that means see even i am losing my logic)
Sit back and enjoy (!!!?????) and for Gods sake and ur own do not analyse.
Right creatives???
The actual PR is between them and us since we are taking all this BS
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Like most of you, i dont think she is a liar. Everybody does mistake and it was her mistake to leave Manav........ Yes, she is bit confused.........
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Posted: 15 years ago
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She is not a liar at all.
The ceatives are very confued at the moment. They know that everyone watches the show for the Manav Archana love story but they want to create conflict and drag the show.
Archana is madly in love with her husband but now the siuation is complicated and she knows that she has lost her love forever.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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maintaining relationship with in laws and .......maintaining relationship with husband r 2 different ...whatever savita did was completely wrong ........she made archana her daughter in law ....just becos of money ....but archana accepted this relationship...becos ..she liked manav ..his family ....she has always been very honest with this "rishta".......she has always been perfect bahu ...so ..according to me ...she is not wring !!!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Archu is a confused woman, who was dictated by her mom and never seen the world through her eyes and heart. Now that she learnt a lesson in a hard way, she is trying to recover the lost life. Too late???? or better late than never? So, she is trying her best to come to terms with her life with Manav.

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