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Well i'm not here to question if Kunal is in focus or not. Today I am just going to intergrate someone's idea with my idea to elaborate how wonderful things would have been.

I read a post by paradigm "mature Misunderstanding", all shoudl read. (I hope you don't mind me using your idea. Please don't accuse me of plagiarism, I am properly citing author and title, haha.) From last few weeks we are seeing mild and somewhat inactive Kunal who use to be unpredictable and angry. It started out during mid- case track and took off at kidnapping. After kidnapping and hospital scenes, we saw soft and vulnerable side of Kunal. A protagonist who was afraid of losing his true love, his wife. I really enjoyed those scenes. This soft side certainly added to Kunal's Parichay. This soft side continued after case, pre=confession and even introduction of pregnancy. I remmeber two episodes where Kunal is saying, "most important thing for him is to spend time with his wife and later he wishes the time just stops and he can continue enjoying these wonderful moments." Those were truly vital parts of his newly found identity. I enjoyed seeing him protective of his love and truly finding peace with-in himself. I enjoyed such light-hearten episodes after intense case and all.

Ideally we would expect maintenance and extension of this soft side. The care for wife should have smoothly transformed to care for pregnant wife. But instaed it was all sudden we precived clueless and useless Kunal.

Now this EMA track, it was very poor execution to begin with. We saw no good development and introduction. If we remember Raveena-Rohit track, it was well developed. But here we saw Gaurav who is happy about spednign a vacation with his family, loving husband and supportive brother to a phone call from GF and complete jerk. It was very sudden. No development and poor conviction. Also, Siddhi came to know about it very soon. I was fine with Siddhi coming to know about it first, because later Kunal always takes over.

Now as paradigm suggested, for transformation of Kunal from loving husband to soon be daddy could have used age factor. Kunal's vulnerability of husband could have been portrayed in being father at older age. He is bit scared and over-protactive of his pregnant wife. The sweet awakardness that was present during his confession could be extended to fact he's going to be a father. Kunal and Siddhi fighting about it and Kunal confessing his worries, providing amazing Sinal moments only adding to Kunal's Parichay.

Now about a week could have been spent in maintaining and showing transformation of Kunal's soft and vulnerable side which we only witnessed in bits. I think CVs tried for that, Kunal being worried about Siddhi at Shilpa's mehndi and Kunal asking Siddhi to take all her medicines and all, but didn't work very well. For the whoel time, focus could have been on Kunal's soft side and side track would be EMA issue developed and introduces. But it was vice-versa. I have discussed before hoe this EMA has great potential for Kunal and Sinal. Kunal is the main person here. In Siddhi vs. Gaurav, whoever gets Kunal's support has the upped hand. And Kunal truly is in bad situation as he follows his blood relation brother or life time commietment, wife. It was portrayed in such manner, but poorly.

So still Kunal is running the show but poor transformation made Kunal a gold medalist lawyer look like a hosuehold husband. A raging lion to domesticated pet. All sides of Kunal should receive same attention as his niche of angry-young man side. Now I think CVs are on damage control mission and I hope they do a good job to correct their mistakes of quality, track and characters. As per us viewres, last week of Parichay was what EMA will be for Sinal and current state for Samir sir. Just as EMA will test how strong Sinal relationship is and what will Kunal get out of it, these poor conviction tested our commitment to the show.

Hey but after so much troubles, we are still here with higher spirit than ever. Same way Sinal will survive EMa track and the bond will be stronger. And Samir sir as Kunal will have another perspective on his life and family. So keep helping CVs in respectable manner as educated viewers and hope & wait for better state.

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loved reading ur views ...i am a big fan of your posts dear ...you have given a very good analysis..

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Originally posted by: jay_bpm
Well i'm not here to question if Kunal is in focus or not. Today I am just going to intergrate someone's idea with my idea to elaborate how wonderful things would have been.

I read a post by paradigm "mature Misunderstanding", all shoudl read. (I hope you don't mind me using your idea. Please don't accuse me of plagiarism, I am properly citing author and title, haha.) From last few weeks we are seeing mild and somewhat inactive Kunal who use to be unpredictable and angry. It started out during mid- case track and took off at kidnapping. After kidnapping and hospital scenes, we saw soft and vulnerable side of Kunal. A protagonist who was afraid of losing his true love, his wife. I really enjoyed those scenes. This soft side certainly added to Kunal's Parichay. This soft side continued after case, pre=confession and even introduction of pregnancy. I remmeber two episodes where Kunal is saying, "most important thing for him is to spend time with his wife and later he wishes the time just stops and he can continue enjoying these wonderful moments." Those were truly vital parts of his newly found identity. I enjoyed seeing him protective of his love and truly finding peace with-in himself. I enjoyed such light-hearten episodes after intense case and all.

Ideally we would expect maintenance and extension of this soft side. The care for wife should have smoothly transformed to care for pregnant wife. But instaed it was all sudden we precived clueless and useless Kunal.

Yes Jai, we wanted to see a subtle transition from the pre-confession awkward, vulnerable Kunal to the passionate, loving Kunal who finds a new expression for his love which was quiet for a long time. Instead the CVs completely goofed it up. I feel completely cheated. The writers jerked about like a headless chicken showing the relationship thanda one day to passionate the next day and cute the third day (literally this happened Mon, Tue, Wed of confession week🤢). Where is the consistency in the writing? Do the multiple writers even know each other? Did they even know whcih Kunal was about to show up on any given day 😡

Now this EMA track, it was very poor execution to begin with. We saw no good development and introduction. If we remember Raveena-Rohit track, it was well developed. But here we saw Gaurav who is happy about spednign a vacation with his family, loving husband and supportive brother to a phone call from GF and complete jerk. It was very sudden. No development and poor conviction. Also, Siddhi came to know about it very soon. I was fine with Siddhi coming to know about it first, because later Kunal always takes over.

No I am not fine with Kunal taking over later. It was okay once or twice, but for them to do this every time in unacceptable. I have reached the limits of my patience. If they are going to repeat the same track every time why are they called creatives? I've had enough of this trust battle between Kunal and Siddhi. It's been going on forever. I would have liked to see a different issue for once. This trust battle of wife vs family could have come back later in a better way if necessary.

Now as paradigm suggested, for transformation of Kunal from loving husband to soon be daddy could have used age factor. Kunal's vulnerability of husband could have been portrayed in being father at older age. He is bit scared and over-protactive of his pregnant wife. The sweet awakardness that was present during his confession could be extended to fact he's going to be a father. Kunal and Siddhi fighting about it and Kunal confessing his worries, providing amazing Sinal moments only adding to Kunal's Parichay.

Don't even get me started on this ridiculous pregnancy. It is disgrace to start off with and the biggest blackmark on Kunal. A educated lawyer believes the word of a village daimaa and doesn't take his wife to a doctor? He doesn't wonder even once how its is possible that his wife can be pregnant after so long and all she has been through and doctors didn't know about it before😕 Just how dumb and irresponsible are they showing him. NO CVs get no slack for me on this one. It is regressive and unacceptable. This same track if it was shown a few months down the line as the result of a happy conjugal relationship would have had so much more impact. Why did the CVs have to create such a khichdi of multiple tracks with no idea where to take each😕

Now about a week could have been spent in maintaining and showing transformation of Kunal's soft and vulnerable side which we only witnessed in bits. I think CVs tried for that, Kunal being worried about Siddhi at Shilpa's mehndi and Kunal asking Siddhi to take all her medicines and all, but didn't work very well. For the whoel time, focus could have been on Kunal's soft side and side track would be EMA issue developed and introduces. But it was vice-versa. I have discussed before hoe this EMA has great potential for Kunal and Sinal. Kunal is the main person here. In Siddhi vs. Gaurav, whoever gets Kunal's support has the upped hand. And Kunal truly is in bad situation as he follows his blood relation brother or life time commietment, wife. It was portrayed in such manner, but poorly.

So still Kunal is running the show but poor transformation made Kunal a gold medalist lawyer look like a hosuehold husband. A raging lion to domesticated pet. All sides of Kunal should receive same attention as his niche of angry-young man side. Now I think CVs are on damage control mission and I hope they do a good job to correct their mistakes of quality, track and characters. As per us viewres, last week of Parichay was what EMA will be for Sinal and current state for Samir sir. Just as EMA will test how strong Sinal relationship is and what will Kunal get out of it, these poor conviction tested our commitment to the show.

Hey but after so much troubles, we are still here with higher spirit than ever. Same way Sinal will survive EMa track and the bond will be stronger. And Samir sir as Kunal will have another perspective on his life and family. So keep helping CVs in respectable manner as educated viewers and hope & wait for better state.

Sorry Jay, we don't have higher spirits at all. In fact we are disappointed, angry and not watching. We are only here on this forum to make our voices heard because it is our right as a viewer, as a consumer. Now it is up to the makers if they want to give us a better product because unless they do we won't buy. Which means TRP will keep dropping🤢 We don't have to help CVs at all. We as consumer are king. We owe them nothing. They owe us a good show.

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Originally posted by: jay_bpm
Well i'm not here to question if Kunal is in focus or not. Today I am just going to intergrate someone's idea with my idea to elaborate how wonderful things would have been.

I read a post by paradigm "mature Misunderstanding", all shoudl read. (I hope you don't mind me using your idea. Please don't accuse me of plagiarism, I am properly citing author and title, haha.) From last few weeks we are seeing mild and somewhat inactive Kunal who use to be unpredictable and angry. It started out during mid- case track and took off at kidnapping. After kidnapping and hospital scenes, we saw soft and vulnerable side of Kunal. A protagonist who was afraid of losing his true love, his wife. I really enjoyed those scenes. This soft side certainly added to Kunal's Parichay. This soft side continued after case, pre=confession and even introduction of pregnancy. I remmeber two episodes where Kunal is saying, "most important thing for him is to spend time with his wife and later he wishes the time just stops and he can continue enjoying these wonderful moments." Those were truly vital parts of his newly found identity. I enjoyed seeing him protective of his love and truly finding peace with-in himself. I enjoyed such light-hearten episodes after intense case and all.

Ideally we would expect maintenance and extension of this soft side. The care for wife should have smoothly transformed to care for pregnant wife. But instaed it was all sudden we precived clueless and useless Kunal.

Now this EMA track, it was very poor execution to begin with. We saw no good development and introduction. If we remember Raveena-Rohit track, it was well developed. But here we saw Gaurav who is happy about spednign a vacation with his family, loving husband and supportive brother to a phone call from GF and complete jerk. It was very sudden. No development and poor conviction. Also, Siddhi came to know about it very soon. I was fine with Siddhi coming to know about it first, because later Kunal always takes over.

Now as paradigm suggested, for transformation of Kunal from loving husband to soon be daddy could have used age factor. Kunal's vulnerability of husband could have been portrayed in being father at older age. He is bit scared and over-protactive of his pregnant wife. The sweet awakardness that was present during his confession could be extended to fact he's going to be a father. Kunal and Siddhi fighting about it and Kunal confessing his worries, providing amazing Sinal moments only adding to Kunal's Parichay.

Now about a week could have been spent in maintaining and showing transformation of Kunal's soft and vulnerable side which we only witnessed in bits. I think CVs tried for that, Kunal being worried about Siddhi at Shilpa's mehndi and Kunal asking Siddhi to take all her medicines and all, but didn't work very well. For the whoel time, focus could have been on Kunal's soft side and side track would be EMA issue developed and introduces. But it was vice-versa. I have discussed before hoe this EMA has great potential for Kunal and Sinal. Kunal is the main person here. In Siddhi vs. Gaurav, whoever gets Kunal's support has the upped hand. And Kunal truly is in bad situation as he follows his blood relation brother or life time commietment, wife. It was portrayed in such manner, but poorly.

So still Kunal is running the show but poor transformation made Kunal a gold medalist lawyer look like a hosuehold husband. A raging lion to domesticated pet. All sides of Kunal should receive same attention as his niche of angry-young man side. Now I think CVs are on damage control mission and I hope they do a good job to correct their mistakes of quality, track and characters. As per us viewres, last week of Parichay was what EMA will be for Sinal and current state for Samir sir. Just as EMA will test how strong Sinal relationship is and what will Kunal get out of it, these poor conviction tested our commitment to the show.

Hey but after so much troubles, we are still here with higher spirit than ever. Same way Sinal will survive EMa track and the bond will be stronger. And Samir sir as Kunal will have another perspective on his life and family. So keep helping CVs in respectable manner as educated viewers and hope & wait for better state.

Really sorry Jay I just dont see Kunal running the show here, he is just being misled by everyone first Ritcha now Gaurav, just where exactly is he running the show?

People start the goof up , he screams , talks a lot , once in while exhibit some brilliance and he does not even get to finish the show there too FATE sorts it out.

I think the Raveena track was the only part where they showed some justice to the guy.

In Gaurav's case he is telling Siddhi 'I dont know what you saw but you are mistaken' when he doesn't know what he so how can he make such an assumption?Atleast within the confines of the room he could have asked Siddhi.But he did not.

Now Gaurav has indirectly told him he was eavesdropping on SINAL, will he make use of this information? Next week will answer that, but I am not too optimistic!!! And its not because I am a pessimist ,the CV's have tuned me for expecting crap.

As a viewer we have the right to express our views , if we aren't happy lets complain why should we settle for mediocrity , why cant we expect the best? Dont we deserve it?

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Yes Jai, we wanted to see a subtle transition from the pre-confession awkward, vulnerable Kunal to the passionate, loving Kunal who finds a new expression for his love which was quiet for a long time. Instead the CVs completely goofed it up. I feel completely cheated. The writers jerked about like a headless chicken showing the relationship thanda one day to passionate the next day and cute the third day (literally this happened Mon, Tue, Wed of confession week🤢). Where is the consistency in the writing? Do the multiple writers even know each other? Did they even know whcih Kunal was about to show up on any given day 😡Just like you, I often wonder if CVs are same people because there is no consistency. I have personally sent quite a few message to get an answer. So far no reply.

No I am not fine with Kunal taking over later. It was okay once or twice, but for them to do this every time in unacceptable. I have reached the limits of my patience. If they are going to repeat the same track every time why are they called creatives? I've had enough of this trust battle between Kunal and Siddhi. It's been going on forever. I would have liked to see a different issue for once. This trust battle of wife vs family could have come back later in a better way if necessary. I agree that this wife vs. family could've been portrayed differently or later or may be same way in better light. But then I'm afraid they might show usual wife vs. mother, at least they didn't do that(well not yet) I believe that trust is not unifying factor, it has many layers. may be CVs think same thing but I agree right now it seems abundant and they should have waited some time for that. But I am sensing it is USP of all daily soaps. keep bringing tension or it appears boring, not realizing the way they bring issue is boring. Now why does Kunal takes over later, I sense they are showing how Kunal ends up fighting the battle he may not have choose. What I saw so far was that everything was happening around Kunal. Although he was not aware of it, but he somehow was important. When I say Kunal taking over I mean, as soon as Kunal enters a situation, whole dynamic seems to change right away. That is called presence of protagonist. Be it Raveena-Rohit, case, Raveena-Vikram, Shilpa's wedding, Raveena's wedding and on and on. Again I sense Kunal taking over later is here to create drama and show importance of his mere presence. Did CVs did good job all the time, no but they were close. They really messed it up with EMA to say the least.

Don't even get me started on this ridiculous pregnancy. It is disgrace to start off with and the biggest blackmark on Kunal. A educated lawyer believes the word of a village daimaa and doesn't take his wife to a doctor? He doesn't wonder even once how its is possible that his wife can be pregnant after so long and all she has been through and doctors didn't know about it before😕 Just how dumb and irresponsible are they showing him. NO CVs get no slack for me on this one. It is regressive and unacceptable. This same track if it was shown a few months down the line as the result of a happy conjugal relationship would have had so much more impact. Why did the CVs have to create such a khichdi of multiple tracks with no idea where to take each😕Now the pregnancy track, I must have said it 100 times that after confession, we needed some smooth flow. Post-confession Kunal and Siddhi, then Shilpa's wedding, later pregnancy and eventually EMA (I knew EMA would come given GEM track). But CVs combined it all together and lost focus of the show. EMA track had no proper introduction or development. Everything just came to light all of a sudden. I remember Rohit-Raveena & Raveena-Vikram track. They were properly developed and were on side, while Kunal was still in focus. There Kunal's oblivion seemed reasonable, here he looks stupid. I think this might be reason why Sameer sir were upset. This need to bring everything in in less than week really took away the focus of the show, Kunal's Parichay.

Sorry Jay, we don't have higher spirits at all. In fact we are disappointed, angry and not watching. We are only here on this forum to make our voices heard because it is our right as a viewer, as a consumer. Now it is up to the makers if they want to give us a better product because unless they do we won't buy. Which means TRP will keep dropping🤢 We don't have to help CVs at all. We as consumer are king. We owe them nothing. They owe us a good show.
when I say we should help them, I mean by voicing our opinions as viewers. This forum is doing exact same thing. Everyone has done great job in pointing out specific qualitative mistakes, but if we rant and rant, people get into tendency of ignoring, which is worse than everything.

I completely understand your frustration. CVs surely have burned so many people. But due to character of Kunal Chopra and Sinal relationship, somehow I'm still able to hold my spirit. My hope is that CVs correct their mistakes and you also join me. Some issue I try not think about it because they may take me for a long ride of frustration and they have already happen. So I try to gather my energy in pointing it out that it shouldn't happen again.

Also about consistency of Kunal's character, I am going to discuss it another post very soon.

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Originally posted by: cooldipika
loved reading ur views ...i am a big fan of your posts dear ...you have given a very good analysis..

thank you very much for appreciation. glad you enjoy it and i'm not completely out there.

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Really sorry Jay I just dont see Kunal running the show here, he is just being misled by everyone first Ritcha now Gaurav, just where exactly is he running the show?

People start the goof up , he screams , talks a lot , once in while exhibit some brilliance and he does not even get to finish the show there too FATE sorts it out.

I think the Raveena track was the only part where they showed some justice to the guy.

In Gaurav's case he is telling Siddhi 'I dont know what you saw but you are mistaken' when he doesn't know what he so how can he make such an assumption?Atleast within the confines of the room he could have asked Siddhi.But he did not.

Now Gaurav has indirectly told him he was eavesdropping on SINAL, will he make use of this information? Next week will answer that, but I am not too optimistic!!! And its not because I am a pessimist ,the CV's have tuned me for expecting crap.

As a viewer we have the right to express our views , if we aren't happy lets complain why should we settle for mediocrity , why cant we expect the best? Dont we deserve it?

Really great point and please bear with me as it will seem confusing. You said Kunal is being misled by Richa and Gaurav. I defiantly agree with Gaurav, Richa is complicated. What i am going to talk about is known as "perpetrator-victim interaction" in psychology.

Let's see Richa first: You are right that there Richa was taking more actions and trying to play with Kunal. Here the actions did come from Richa, but motivation and intent of those actions was directly on Kunal. Everything she did, she wanted Kunal's attention. Be it giving Siddhi job, letting Siddhi fight Rohit's case, maniplating Siddhi, helping Raveena-Rohit, you name it. All was for Kunal, the protagonist.

Now Gaurav: whatever he's doing is to avoid Kunal's attention to his situation. More like how Raveena wanted to avoid Kunal's attention. Becasue as soon as Kunal enters any situation (may it be fate or deliberation, more like both), his mere presence changed the dynamic. His involvement in Rohit's case made Richa and Thakral think more, his presence changed Shilpa's wedding issue, also Raveena's relationship with Chopra family, Vikaram and even Rohit. (by the way i don't see much potential in Raveena's case even though I like Vikram).

Why was this? Because Kunal is the protagonist. How he dealt with each issue did affect his sense on identity. So "perpetrator-victim interaction": always perpetrator is taking more actions, but to gain control over the VICTIM. So really, victim has upper hand here. Even serial offenders do not engage in same way with every victim. Why? Victim is the focus of every action. If no VICTIM, no action.

People do start goof up around him coz his presence is vital. In the beginning he use to start by screaming, don't know about talking a lot. Usually he's shown observing from behind. Raveena case was handled very-well. after that focus was on Kunal,(while side tracks were developed) even with Richa's plots, consummation, rape case, guilt about Anand, kidnapping, all added to Kunal's sense of identity. Please don't tell me what his WIFE does have no impact on the guy. This way portraying his life is going from outside to inside. First other's intentions are shown while Kunal is involved in deliberation. Kunal's actions speaks for him since he's not much of a talker. I am going to discuss his character in another post very soon.

I do share your concern and issue you are bringing with Gaurav case. So far it was introduced very poorly with no proper development, and abruptly. The poor conviction of this track took away the focus, Kunal Chopra. I saw little damage control this week, hope next week is better but as you said, not much optimism. If they show same angry Kunal, then it is regression to the worst of him. But the way Kunal progressed from Rohit's case to Raveena, I hope to see next improvement, but CVs can kill that very easily. May be initially he can be angry but I want different than usual screaming. (whole post consummation to confession was may be best of Kunal's Parichay, of course it was not to fullest potential. the fight during ME in February was from Kunal's vulnerable and hurt lover side,matched with guilty brother, my favorite)

The whole fate thing is always involved to pass the message that good things happen to good people. ( Sinal happened because of fate, but then both took deliberate actions, first thinking as responsibilities and later for each other, bot that they accepted it right away) Does fate has to be involved, here's topic for debate.

I agree that as viewers we do have right to complain. I joined this forum to make my voice heard. if I wanted mediocre. so many options out there.

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Really great point and please bear with me as it will seem confusing.

Now Jay you really dont have to worry about things getting too confusing...Sometimes things aint that complex as we sometimes make it out to be.

You said Kunal is being misled by Richa and Gaurav. I defiantly agree with Gaurav, Richa is complicated. What i am going to talk about is known as "perpetrator-victim interaction" in psychology.

Let's see Richa first: You are right that there Richa was taking more actions and trying to play with Kunal. Here the actions did come from Richa, but motivation and intent of those actions was directly on Kunal. Everything she did, she wanted Kunal's attention. Be it giving Siddhi job, letting Siddhi fight Rohit's case, maniplating Siddhi, helping Raveena-Rohit, you name it. All was for Kunal, the protagonist.

Though I have my reservations with regards to the application of perperator-victim interaction hypothesis being applied to all of Kunal's interactions in Ritcha's case I will say it is to a fair extent true, Kunal was the objective of all Ritcha's actions.In any crime the victim is central to the crime just as much or perhaps more than the offender.But can the same be applied to all of Kunal's interactions? I think not.

With the whole Ritcha scenario I did not have much of an issue, I agree as a conditioned lawyer one would have expected him to think why is it so easy to find proof against Vineet, but then again he was involved in it too emotionally to see it coming.It is true because of Kunal's past with Ritcha he was victimised in this scenario.But the same does not hold true for all .

Now Gaurav: whatever he's doing is to avoid Kunal's attention to his situation. More like how Raveena wanted to avoid Kunal's attention. Becasue as soon as Kunal enters any situation (may it be fate or deliberation, more like both), his mere presence changed the dynamic. His involvement in Rohit's case made Richa and Thakral think more, his presence changed Shilpa's wedding issue, also Raveena's relationship with Chopra family, Vikaram and even Rohit. (by the way i don't see much potential in Raveena's case even though I like Vikram).

First correction, Gaurav is not trying to divert Kunal's attention, Kunal is not central to this plot yet.Gaurav is trying to get SIddhi off his back and he is merely using everyone else to achieve this.If it had been Seema instead of Kunal outside that flat he would utilised the 'Seema how much you helped SINAL relation?' card instead.

The perperator-victim interaction witgh Kunal being the victim , the central character thus fails to be applicable here.

Why was this? Because Kunal is the protagonist. How he dealt with each issue did affect his sense on identity. So "perpetrator-victim interaction": always perpetrator is taking more actions, but to gain control over the VICTIM. So really, victim has upper hand here. Even serial offenders do not engage in same way with every victim. Why? Victim is the focus of every action. If no VICTIM, no action.

The basic principle of any serial offenders is their MO and the reason that forces them to offend, there is always a specific situation,action or personality that brings about their crime.That is their watermark!! Dont have to go far , take television' most famous serial killer Dexter,lust for blood propels him, the way he executes his kill is the same.MO is very vital when it comes to serial offenders.This is in response to your statement in bold. More often than not serial offenders do engage in the same way with their victims.

As for your victim , no action snyposis, I have nothing to say because honestly I do not feel Parichay is crime oriented for this theory to be applied.Like I said when it came to Ritcha's case it was applicable to a certain extent.

People do start goof up around him coz his presence is vital. In the beginning he use to start by screaming, don't know about talking a lot. Usually he's shown observing from behind. Raveena case was handled very-well. after that focus was on Kunal,(while side tracks were developed) even with Richa's plots, consummation, rape case, guilt about Anand, kidnapping, all added to Kunal's sense of identity. Please don't tell me what his WIFE does have no impact on the guy. This way portraying his life is going from outside to inside. First other's intentions are shown while Kunal is involved in deliberation. Kunal's actions speaks for him since he's not much of a talker. I am going to discuss his character in another post very soon.

Not saying that his WIFE does not have an impact on the guy, she definitely does.But my question is doesn't Kunal Chopra exist apart from Siddhi Chopra.She definetely is a part of his Parichay but is she all of it?

As for his observing from behind, the truth is I dont yet think they have shown him observe much, they have just shown him chance upon stuff due to sheer luck.His part in Raveena's issue I have not much issue with, it was dealt with pretty well, it did bring forth how much Kunal trusted Siddhi.

I know the basic idea was to show Kunal as a man of action rather than words , but the show has not been able to deliver that.If he was indeed a man of action then at the first session of court case we would have seen Kunal in addition to his rhetorical brilliance shown some practicality and submit material proofs to support his case.No he relied on his big words and fancy style of talking to win the case.Where does the man of action not words come in here?

I do share your concern and issue you are bringing with Gaurav case. So far it was introduced very poorly with no proper development, and abruptly. The poor conviction of this track took away the focus, Kunal Chopra.

There is nothing wrong with introducing a track abruptly , its one way of story telling where the intent is to take the audience by surprise , but also vital to that form is you go back and relate the build up.That never happened.

The track did not take away the focus from Kunal Chopra , it had the potential to bring him in focus, if they had shown him discover it.Sadly the truth is I dont think they intended Kunal to be the focus then.

I saw little damage control this week, hope next week is better but as you said, not much optimism. If they show same angry Kunal, then it is regression to the worst of him. But the way Kunal progressed from Rohit's case to Raveena, I hope to see next improvement, but CVs can kill that very easily. May be initially he can be angry but I want different than usual screaming. (whole post consummation to confession was may be best of Kunal's Parichay, of course it was not to fullest potential. the fight during ME in February was from Kunal's vulnerable and hurt lover side,matched with guilty brother, my favorite)

The past episodes did explore Kunal's parichay pretty well but then the show has relagated to been another nari-shakti serial.My problem lays not with the past episodes , my problem lays with the fact why cant Kunal be the pivot now? Why does he have to bee introduced to issues via Siddhi?

The whole fate thing is always involved to pass the message that good things happen to good people. ( Sinal happened because of fate, but then both took deliberate actions, first thinking as responsibilities and later for each other, bot that they accepted it right away) Does fate has to be involved, here's topic for debate.

I agree FATE is vital in everyone's life, and I understand the reason why its shown.But did it always have to be fate?In the court case , did it have to be fate that gave them victory , could it not have been the sheer brilliance of hubby wifey lawyer duo?Why isevolved intelligence the very factor that perhaps distinguishes man from animals always sacrificed in the name of FATE?

I agree that as viewers we do have right to complain. I joined this forum to make my voice heard. if I wanted mediocre. so many options out there.

Well I completely agree with you on this !!!

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Since you bought to my notice the whole victim cum protagonist issue... then comes the fundamental issue,Why is Kunal Chopra the victim always?

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Posted: 13 years ago

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[Though I have my reservations with regards to the application of perperator-victim interaction hypothesis being applied to all of Kunal's interactions in Ritcha's case I will say it is to a fair extent true, Kunal was the objective of all Ritcha's actions.In any crime the victim is central to the crime just as much or perhaps more than the offender.But can the same be applied to all of Kunal's interactions? I think not.

With the whole Ritcha scenario I did not have much of an issue, I agree as a conditioned lawyer one would have expected him to think why is it so easy to find proof against Vineet, but then again he was involved in it too emotionally to see it coming.It is true because of Kunal's past with Ritcha he was victimised in this scenario.But the same does not hold true for all . Well we agree on one thing so that's good.

First correction, Gaurav is not trying to divert Kunal's attention, Kunal is not central to this plot yet.Gaurav is trying to get SIddhi off his back and he is merely using everyone else to achieve this.If it had been Seema instead of Kunal outside that flat he would utilised the 'Seema how much you helped SINAL relation?' card instead.

The perperator-victim interaction witgh Kunal being the victim , the central character thus fails to be applicable here. I agree that Siddhi is the focus here. I sense that (again being optimistic) that CVs were trying to show importance of Siddhi in relation to Kunal. As it was in Raveena-Rohit case. Siddhi knew everythign and received focus but because she was going to tell everthing to her husband, the protagonist. Here I didn't see such connection. importance of Siddhi because of Kunal or may be this was complete nari-shakti nonsense.

The basic principle of any serial offenders is their MO and the reason that forces them to offend, there is always a specific situation,action or personality that brings about their crime.That is their watermark!! Dont have to go far , take television' most famous serial killer Dexter,lust for blood propels him, the way he executes his kill is the same.MO is very vital when it comes to serial offenders.This is in response to your statement in bold. More often than not serial offenders do engage in the same way with their victims.

As for your victim , no action snyposis, I have nothing to say because honestly I do not feel Parichay is crime oriented for this theory to be applied.Like I said when it came to Ritcha's case it was applicable to a certain extent. Well I just spent entire semester discussing how crime shows depict demented serial offenders and so called MO might not has validity in real life. Dr. David Canter is big name in profiling and he has addresse this issue very well. But as you said, Parichay is not crime show, so why bother discussing this issue.

Not saying that his WIFE does not have an impact on the guy, she definitely does.But my question is doesn't Kunal Chopra exist apart from Siddhi Chopra.She definetely is a part of his Parichay but is she all of it?

As for his observing from behind, the truth is I dont yet think they have shown him observe much, they have just shown him chance upon stuff due to sheer luck.His part in Raveena's issue I have not much issue with, it was dealt with pretty well, it did bring forth how much Kunal trusted Siddhi.

I know the basic idea was to show Kunal as a man of action rather than words , but the show has not been able to deliver that.If he was indeed a man of action then at the first session of court case we would have seen Kunal in addition to his rhetorical brilliance shown some practicality and submit material proofs to support his case.No he relied on his big words and fancy style of talking to win the case.Where does the man of action not words come in here? I agree that Siddhi is not all Kunal has. Being husband is just one role of his personality and it's not enough. Although I agree that time to time, either Husband or wife may be more dominat, here it is getting too abundant. It was ok to see first siddhi helping Kunal's family and later kunal helping Siddhi's family, it's about time we see mutual respinsibility and work. such better-half relationship was shown during case-track. Siddhi taking over Kunal's case, but then Kunal helping Siddhi to free her from Thakral contrcat. later both discussing evidence and what to do. Also both discovering CD together. after case track, both also showed attitude toward each-other. I like that and hoped this would continue in fututre. But CVs killed that with whole nari-shakti. i also think it's about time they move on from cliche plot of first siddhi then Kunal, let's show both of them together.

About Kunal taking actions and not words, well in first hearing of case, Kunal did do amazing job. But later his emotions did come in way so he becamse volatile, same way he couldn't be objective in Richa's case. It was indicated by Siddhi that Kunal might not be ideal to fight this case since his closeness to issue. I knew it was goign to happen and Siddhi will be the one winning the case. Why? CVs were just bulding up to Kunal's realziation that he is not complete without Siddhi. Kunal did take actions many times. Again coming hugging Siddhi to console her most of the time, making tea for her to show care, buying belt for his mother, gabmling for Anand, his actions during holi scenes, willingness to give up CD to save siddhi were all actions showing his care. I agree, CVs could've done better job in portarying them.

There is nothing wrong with introducing a track abruptly , its one way of story telling where the intent is to take the audience by surprise , but also vital to that form is you go back and relate the build up.That never happened.

The track did not take away the focus from Kunal Chopra , it had the potential to bring him in focus, if they had shown him discover it.Sadly the truth is I dont think they intended Kunal to be the focus then. I know abruptly introducing new track has element of surprise. but here we didn't see element of surprise, it was more of shock. also we saw no proper development or backing up either. surely it has potentile to focus on Kunal, but the way it was executed, we onyl saw Siddhi while Kunal was just hanging around. Here we didn't see Knual observing as in Raveena case, it was rather he just lookign stupid cause nothing better to do.

The past episodes did explore Kunal's parichay pretty well but then the show has relagated to been another nari-shakti serial.My problem lays not with the past episodes , my problem lays with the fact why cant Kunal be the pivot now? Why does he have to bee introduced to issues via Siddhi? yes whole nari-shakti did mess up this trcak. Now I sense CVs are no damage control and bringing Kunal as pivotal now. again Cvs can always screw this up and regress Kunal's character as what we saw in beginign with no evolution.

I agree FATE is vital in everyone's life, and I understand the reason why its shown.But did it always have to be fate?In the court case , did it have to be fate that gave them victory , could it not have been the sheer brilliance of hubby wifey lawyer duo?Why isevolved intelligence the very factor that perhaps distinguishes man from animals always sacrificed in the name of FATE?

I agree that now the intercation of hubby-wife shoudl take care of things. fate just seems to old. bring back the magic of raveena and little bit of case and extended that.

Well I completely agree with you on this !!! Well we both can provide aleternative hypothese as it is good exercise to discuss the show in productive manner.

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