~~DOTW~~ is sarja right in his arguement???

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Posted: 14 years ago
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hmmmm welcum shelcum guys again !!!

i guess i am torturing u with another DOTW ain't I????😆
any way lets come to the more serious matter... this week we saw some heart wrenching scenes in PMMKA
we also so the limit of ruthlessness n hatered depicted my varrious chracters too!!!
but the topic i have picked for the discussion is straight forward
sarja's thinking... according to him , cuming of people to maharashtra render's the natives jobless.. he also thinks that the only way to save his people is to be cruel to the new comers
so the questions for u guys to discuss r here>>>
⭐️do u agree with sarje??? if yes then why?? if not then why??
⭐️regardless of whether u agree or not, do u think the usage of so much violence is necessary to make the veiwers clearly understand the situation???
⭐️how close do u think all this is too the reality??
DISCLAIMER>>
#guys this is just a discussion topic so pls just state ur veiws in a polite manner or discuss the questions amongest urself , without any fights or bashing!!!
# this is a sensitive topic,, pls keep that in mind.. ur answeres may unintentionally hurt some other member , so pls be very genuine n polite in ur answeres
thanking u
dolly😳

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Posted: 14 years ago
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do u agree with sarje??? if yes then why?? if not then why??

I do agree with him as its truth. If you see condition in Mumbai its really truth. People from Mumbai really crave for job despite of having qualification and people from north get it easily. Specially check results of Railway exam, you may not find single name of Maharashtrian in result. Every post is allocated to someone from North only. This is pure internal politics. So in that sense I support Sarjaa.

However his another angel of hating police job, whole truth is not out yet. So cant comment so early.

regardless of whether u agree or not, do u think the usage of so much violence is necessary to make the veiwers clearly understand the situation???

I guess serial should have some drama essence else it doesnt become intresting to watch. I am opposing too much negativity. However some drama factor should be there. So far I have found they have added it very well.

⭐️how close do u think all this is too the reality??
I feel very much. Such things do happen and such people do exists in the world
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: dolly18

⭐️do u agree with sarje??? if yes then why?? if not then why??

I agree with Sarja on some parts that people belonging to Mumbai often don't get jobs..... but other people coming from outside get jobs easily.... and at times there is a fixed % reserved for them.... but one can't deny that the ones who come from outside Mumbai are also in need of jobs.... so they can look after their families.... so both are in need..... it would be good if they choose on merit rather than giving anyone directly without any proper qualification.... but that's the harsh reality often it doesn't happen that way.... and i don't mean only people from mumbai face such problems it is also the ones who come from other states....

i'll still reserve some part of my comment here as i really want to know why Sarja feels that way.... there has to be some reason behind it....

⭐️regardless of whether u agree or not, do u think the usage of so much violence is necessary to make the veiwers clearly understand the situation???

Agree with Darshu diii.... certain amount of drama element is necessary.... and if i go by PMMKA... i feel they are showing the right amount.... not an inch up not an inch down... so me liking the way the show is progressing....

⭐️how close do u think all this is too the reality??

Yes close to reality.....!!

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Posted: 14 years ago
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awwwwwwwwwww thanks guys for ur answeres
u know they r so much like mine own answer
mumbai has become a battleground between natives n outsiders just coz of sume stupid inner politics... people suffer coz of iit
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Thanks Dolly18 ---- this is a very sensitive topic indeed but I do have to agree with Darshana and Sujji that the reality of the situation caused by dirty games played by politicians these sort of issues exist and coming from Mumbai I know exactly how it is ......
⭐️do u agree with sarje??? if yes then why?? if not then why??
I do agree with the feeling that Sarja carries because he may have faced a similar situation in the past or his family may have faced certain situations which gave him reasons to think in this way....
But I dont agree with the way he is dealing with it and I feel that he must have been deeply hurt by something in the past which has made him so angry and changed his thinking and resentment to ppl coming into his city....

⭐️regardless of whether u agree or not, do u think the usage of so much violence is necessary to make the veiwers clearly understand the situation???
I agree totally with Darshana and especially Sujji that certain amt of drama is reqd for a fiction drama to be effective and completely agree with Sujji that in this show they have used the right amt of it.... I hate unnecessary violence in any fictional shows and this show is so far doing a good job of presenting the very sensitive subject....
⭐️how close do u think all this is too the reality??
I think it is very close to reality and loving this show bec the issues are very real and apart from relationship issues they are also dealing with current socio-economic issues....

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Posted: 14 years ago
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thanks for the wonderful omments guys
n well on one level or anther i guess i agree wiith alll🤣
hee hee i know i am a bit diplomatic
but kya karun mujhe saare answeres sahi lag rahe hain yaar hee hee
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I knew that sooner or later this debate would be up here under DOTW....claps to my hunch!😆
Although not a very regular visitor to the forum, i spotted this debate and wanted to put in my two bits on the topic which is one of the most disturbing spectacles thats eating away at the heart of this nation and its business capital - Mumbai.
First off, the issue to "preference to the natives" has been an old subject of contention...that has been debated many times over. Even in my state of West Bengal, this is a deep, if not as turbulent, issue. Kolkata, especially, has long been known as the intelelctual hub of Bengal and, once, the thinking Cap of whole of India. But, now, the language of the State, Bengali, is hardly used as the lingo of connection in official communications, even in State Matters. Its always Hindi, OR English, which, by the way, is the unofficial connective lingo of the whole of India. Also, in almost all the Major commercial concerns operating in the city, you hardly see any Bengali at the top of the rung, in managerial or directorial posts, where its almost always some Non-bengali "Top Boss" who calls the shots. This is , if i may say, a subject of disgruntled chatter in most Bengali Intellectual middle-class Drawing room addas. And frequently, the ire is directed towards "Meros" or Marwari businessmen in the city, who are accused of "Colonising" the city. Baseless as these are, obviously, but what is to be noticed is that all these do create a sublime resentment in the minds of the Collective population of a place when they see some "outsider" from at the frontseat in "driving" matters. It is human psychology, whether or not justified.
The above mention might not be as serious in dimention to the Marathi problem, but it does have a similarity. In Maharashtra, and more Mumbai, this has taken the shape of a sore boil that erupts fromt ime to time, with the Thackeray clan living off the pus. I would'nt elaborate much on that fron here, as then it'd take the shape of a political argument, which, incidentally, this should be.
One potent argument in this case is that the jobs should go to the more deserving, whether in or outside the state. Merit is all-encompassing, and in that light, getting hold of able people from all over India should do more good to the progress of the State. But seen the other way, the 'domination' psychology creates a inferiority complex in the bulks of the masses, and for good reasons, like I described above. But then, you cannot stop migration, and neither can you stop people flocking in from the north, to survive without jobs; and so, some amount of security is needed for the outsiders. Of course, this should be done keeping a balance in mind so it does not encroach upn the rights and interests of the majority. And more so, since this has blown up to monstrous proportions where people are driven to hate North Indians as a community, which, in its turn is dangerous for a multicultural society like India, which has been in the throes of seperatist violence for the whole length of its existence.
Sarja, as illustrated in the show, is clearly a muscleman of some "Sena" party. He is one of those hundreds of unemployed, vulnerable youths whose maybe (notice "maybe" ) JUST anger has been exploited by the political goons. Therefore, much as one must condemn his actions of targetting innocent migrants, one must also be driven to think of a manner of how to drive out this virus of hatred right at the roots of this dreadful boil.
I know, it sounds much too simple, the way i put it here. But that is what was there to be said. For any further input, i suggest that this debate be moved later on to the Debate Mansion forum.
Thank you.😳
Edited by krystal_watz - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Krystal.if this is simple, i dont want complex.......lolz🤣
just joking...good thinking
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Although not a very regular visitor to the forum, i spotted this debate and wanted to put in my two bits on the topic which is one of the most disturbing spectacles thats eating away at the heart of this nation and its business capital - Mumbai.
First off, the issue to "preference to the natives" has been an old subject of contention...that has been debated many times over. Even in my state of West Bengal, this is a deep, if not as turbulent, issue. Kolkata, especially, has long been known as the intelelctual hub of Bengal and, once, the thinking Cap of whole of India. But, now, the language of the State, Bengali, is hardly used as the lingo of connection in official communications, even in State Matters. Its always Hindi, OR English, which, by the way, is the unofficial connective lingo of the whole of India. Also, in almost all the Major commercial concerns operating in the city, you hardly see any Bengali at the top of the rung, in managerial or directorial posts, where its almost always some Non-bengali "Top Boss" who calls the shots. This is , if i may say, a subject of disgruntled chatter in most Bengali Intellectual middle-class Drawing room addas. And frequently, the ire is directed towards "Meros" or Marwari businessmen in the city, who are accused of "Colonising" the city. Baseless as these are, obviously, but what is to be noticed is that all these do create a sublime resentment in the minds of the Collective population of a place when they see some "outsider" from at the frontseat in "driving" matters. It is human psychology, whether or not justified.

preference to the natives should always be given but the problem is people should try to look over state love to nation love....yes the locals demand is right that they should be given priority over jobs but that should be on the basis of merit...they should be provided equal opportunities with respect to outsiders so that they can compete...the main problem is why such a thing takes a political storm is coz ppl don't look on the whole as one India..where every citizen has been given fundamental rights to move to any place to earn a living

people are patriotically attached to the language of the state..u r right the value of local languages is diminishing..in north india it's on;y english & hindi while in south english & south language rules
but languages are meant to fade away with time....the lang english we all have accepted it as an important need in the globalized world..even the staunch supporters of hindi lang in our country cannot do away with the fact that english is no longer a necessity but an important mean of communication in this age
as the world gets more connected & shorter..the local languages take a backseat & the lang which can help us connect to more ppl take the driving seat


yes it can be argued that marwari businessman has 'colonised' the city but one can't take away the fact that they have contributed too to major progress in states

The above mention might not be as serious in dimention to the Marathi problem, but it does have a similarity. In Maharashtra, and more Mumbai, this has taken the shape of a sore boil that erupts fromt ime to time, with the Thackeray clan living off the pus. I would'nt elaborate much on that fron here, as then it'd take the shape of a political argument, which, incidentally, this should be.
One potent argument in this case is that the jobs should go to the more deserving, whether in or outside the state. Merit is all-encompassing, and in that light, getting hold of able people from all over India should do more good to the progress of the State. But seen the other way, the 'domination' psychology creates a inferiority complex in the bulks of the masses, and for good reasons, like I described above. But then, you cannot stop migration, and neither can you stop people flocking in from the north, to survive without jobs; and so, some amount of security is needed for the outsiders. Of course, this should be done keeping a balance in mind so it does not encroach upn the rights and interests of the majority. And more so, since this has blown up to monstrous proportions where people are driven to hate North Indians as a community, which, in its turn is dangerous for a multicultural society like India, which has been in the throes of seperatist violence for the whole length of its existence.

there should be a balance between local rights & job opportunities for outsiders...mumbai now has half of the ppl there who are outsiders but they too have contributed to the major part of development of the city & making it what is it now....but one cannot decide by taking onto law himself that this person who has lived there for past 50 years is a mumabikar but now who's coming is an outsider........yes uncontrolled influx into the city has lead to huge problems in mumbai majorly shortage of civic amenities ....but to say that coz u are from this part of the country so entry not allowed is totally wrong..one thing could be done if the politicains in up & mp take care of their own citizens so they need not migrate for work but still in my pov it's wrong & unconstitutional to stop a person from going somewhere be it any part of india
coz if all start to think like that then would the black commandos who saved lives in 26/11 would first think only marathi commandos would fight ?no it's a country as a whole..the armed forces who fought do not differentiate so shouldn't the common man too get over regionalism


Sarja, as illustrated in the show, is clearly a muscleman of some "Sena" party. He is one of those hundreds of unemployed, vulnerable youths whose maybe (notice "maybe" ) JUST anger has been exploited by the political goons. Therefore, much as one must condemn his actions of targetting innocent migrants, one must also be driven to think of a manner of how to drive out this virus of hatred right at the roots of this dreadful boil.

Sarja's reason is JUST but the method is wrong & by no means the end result can justify the means
used by him
I know, it sounds much too simple, the way i put it here. But that is what was there to be said. For any further input, i suggest that this debate be moved later on to the Debate Mansion forum.
Thank you.😳


u have written so well👏👏👏

my lines in blue



Edited by Shivani1arti - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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^^ Agree with all of the points stated above, except on the languages part. Though unrelated to the main debate, i'd say that in this age where English is stated to become the second mother tongue of ach and every educated Earthling, there is a MAJOR NEED to take drives for the protection of local languages, which might be fading out from lack of use. Every language is rich and resourceful in its own right, and , not to mention, its the language one speaks, that one attaches a substantial amount of his identity with, next to his National and Regional identities. A survey i'd come across in a Readers' Digest mag states that over the past 60 years, nearly more than 500 languages have become extinct, and some more are up to follow suit, unless suitable protective and awareness measures are taken.
See what i mean?

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