There is a limit

I was compelled to make this topic as I needed to get out my thoughts on the current track as I have questions about as well as opinions on certain things that are not a popular opnion. Let's list out questions.

Is dhara trying to save shivi's marriage because at its core she is the one responsible for where they are today or is it out of genuine concern? I am leaning towards former as if it was genuine concern, she would let them separate as they need it for improving their relationship. Physical proximity doesn't equal to a good relationship.

Why is gautam overreacting and about to slap shiva for something that is the truth?

What the f*** is wrong with GauRa? Shiva didn't raise a question on her character like raavi said (who BTW has a habit of creating an issue that didn't exist in first place). He pointed out what raavi herself has said to shiva a million times and by failing to trust him has proven him right. Hasnt she said a million times that shiva is not who she visualized as her life partner and that he is gawar , jungli etc etc. Even after raavi blurted out what she thinks about shiva why is what she said ignored and only what shiva said is considered to the reason behind this fight ? So shiva angrily telling raavi to go and join her friends as she prefers them in public is public humiliation but a slap isn't? I am seeing so much hate towards shiva mostly but what people are ignoring is that raavi is equally responsible here. No matter what she says, her actions convey more than her words. She failed to stand by shiva and refused to let him explain why he beat her friends and sided with them which means she doesn't trust him more than her friends even after everything they have been through. So why is shiva alone expected to carry the burden of maintaining this relationship when raavi clearly has not accepted him as her husband? No matter what she says about moving on and what not, her actions show she hasn't and definitely doesn't respect him so if shiva is pointing that out why is it just him that is the bad guy here? I agree he should not beat that guy that much but that guy did provoke him by making personal comments and shiva knew that he is interested in raavi. So far raavi is concerned, I agree everyone has a their own idea of a life partner and its okay but she is the one who choose to stay in this marriage while shiva and Suman gave her an out long time ago.

So far shiva's education is concerned, he is not throwing himself a pity party. Did you guys see him feel bad about his education till people like raavi's friends, mami etc.. started to constantly point out and make an issue out of it to prove how much he doesn't deserve raavi? He is happy with the way he is and hence doesn't see the need to change himself but his insecurity about his relationship with raavi is reason he gets affected.

I agree with you! Both sides have made mistakes, and both need to understand their mistakes, regret and redeem themselves, and figure out if they really want their marriage. We know what Shiva feels and thinks, but raavi's thoughts and feelings on the marriage are a mystery to me.. she is terribly inconsistent 🤷

I hope the writers make both of them realize their mistakes and grow, not just Shiva. No hopes though, judging by how this is going! 😕

True you just pen down my thoughts too

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS 🥺❤️

presently, they are both wrong 🤡

& I really hope they sort this out without any ✨dhara-devi drama✨

Thank you for this post! I have been trying to list similar points in the forum. I have become the crazy Shiva supporter 😆

I think the issue is a lot of people are viewing Shiva's behavior as single events. He pushed her, he always called her names, he "character assasinated" her. There is no cause and effect where Shiva is concerned.

Shiva always was rude and antagonistic against Raavi because of Maami- and while people can point out that he should not take out Maami's anger on Raavi, the said people should really take off their rose tinted glasses. Shiva's reaction is the most relateable, and I would argue most sensible 😐 It is better to be wary of people who you know have a tendency to cheat and decieve. The only issue was he used to get physically aggressive around her. If that was not their, his character makes the most sense.

And my problem is that suddenly for Raavi, all cause and effect came into play. She slapped him because he asked her to go away with her friends, she decided to bestow her good behavior to him 😒 so he should respond nicely to her 🙄, she could be rude to him, taunt him and remove all her frustration to him because her life got uppended due to the marriage. 🤷‍♀️ She supported him once in the Jeera kaand, and she is done for life, she does not need to support him ever again, especially in front of friends.

Despite being forced into marriage, when he wasn't even in the headspace for it, despite listening to someone taunt him all day(Raavi in early haveli episodes), despite having to face ridicule from her friends, Shiva should be all calm, composed and rise above everyone else. What 🤬

Shiva is not ideal- he has a lot of issues that need to be worked out, and he definitely needs to grow out of some of his bad habits. But the bashing he gets and the love and blind support Raavi gets is not justified many times 😳

I won't even go onto GauRa and DevTa and their BS. I created a Frustrations thread and have posted quiet a bit there.

I want someone to talk to shiva calmly , and ask what is in his mind . Kyu huaa kisliye huaa uski side bhi to ptaa krni chahiye na , family is like Giving conclusion without knowing the problem 😐 shiva ka dard to wo bas khud me hi le ke ghoom rha h 😒😒

Originally posted by: GrilledCheese

I agree with you! Both sides have made mistakes, and both need to understand their mistakes, regret and redeem themselves, and figure out if they really want their marriage. We know what Shiva feels and thinks, but raavi's thoughts and feelings on the marriage are a mystery to me.. she is terribly inconsistent 🤷

I hope the writers make both of them realize their mistakes and grow, not just Shiva. No hopes though, judging by how this is going! 😕

I agree. I dont have any hope especially not after how they handled that physical violence track. They totally whitewashed that by changing dhara and making her the way she was initially. Here also, they are fighting about issues that are not there like questioning character. The real issue is shiva doesn't know how to process his feelings for raavi and is emotionally constipated while raavi thinks she made an effort to save this marriage but in reality she didn't and refuses to accept that and is blaming shiva's anger, violence and lack of sophistication for that. The problem is everyone is busy passing judgements on their relationship. Rishita draws boundaries when it comes to her and dev but feels its her right to poke her nose and pass judgements on shivi. Gaura is busy trying to fix shivi's relationship instead of letting shivi decide what they want to do and silently provide their support.

Originally posted by: sunsaathiyaa

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS 🥺❤️

presently, they are both wrong 🤡

& I really hope they sort this out without any ✨dhara-devi drama✨

Lol you really think the cvs are going to give up their fav trope aka dhara devi drama?? Not a chance.

Originally posted by: CheerlessIM

I want someone to talk to shiva calmly , and ask what is in his mind . Kyu huaa kisliye huaa uski side bhi to ptaa krni chahiye na , family is like Giving conclusion without knowing the problem 😐 shiva ka dard to wo bas khud me hi le ke ghoom rha h 😒😒

Since when did that ever happen?? Don't you remember the bhoot kaand? Did anyone bother to ask KriShi why they did what they did? They were beaten black and blue and then dhara the mahaan drama started to whitewash her. All GauRa care about is keeping everyone under same roof chahe pura fevicol ka dabba hi kyu na use karna pade. Unka bas chale to ek doosre ko rassi se din raat bandh ke rakhe. Gautam was silent then and didn't do anything. Here gautam is competing with dhara in mahaan category as he berated and almost beat up shiva for what he said and something he didn't even do but didn't say a word to raavi for saying what she said about Shiva. Shiva has many flaws but so does GauRa but makers will crucify every other character to not admit to that. It's utter BS

Originally posted by: john909

Since when did that ever happen?? Don't you remember the bhoot kaand? Did anyone bother to ask KriShi why they did what they did? They were beaten black and blue and then dhara the mahaan drama started to whitewash her. All GauRa care about is keeping everyone under same roof chahe pura fevicol ka dabba hi kyu na use karna pade. Unka bas chale to ek doosre ko rassi se din raat bandh ke rakhe. Gautam was silent then and didn't do anything. Here gautam is competing with dhara in mahaan category as he berated and almost beat up shiva for what he said and something he didn't even do but didn't say a word to raavi for saying what she said about Shiva. Shiva has many flaws but so does GauRa but makers will crucify every other character to not admit to that. It's utter BS

Completely agree with this- GauRa have become about the band aid fixes. Raavi is a bit like that too 😐 It does not matter of the people in the situation are happy or unhappy- just keep the facade of the happy family up.

Suman is slightly better- she digs deep sometimes, and if things don't work, she will mercilessly cut them off.

Shiva is kind of like Suman- he does go into the details. Honestly, the only issue I see is Shiva losing his cool at the temple. Before that, Raavi was giving him nothing to go on. Yes he also made a lot of assumptions- but that happens in real life. It is Confirmation Bias I think- human tend to look out for evidence that supports their beliefs.

Raavi just wants to do the bare minimum to get by. Shiva is right- she probably needs a different kind of person- one who, like her does not think too deeply like her. Ironically, Dev completely fits the bill 🤣🤣 As long as she went with the status quo, Dev would have just gone on living. Do you think, had Dev and Shiva's positions been switched, would Dev have considered what kind of person Raavi wanted? He would have probably just gone along with the flow like Raavi- let's just compromise and have a comfortable life.