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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Fragrance.

In my opinion Siddhant's choice was very important the toughest... No one in this show went through the situation like him... For Vikram, Sartaj and Imaan, it was always about India or India and they chose India and I do feel proud of them... But it was Sid for whom it was India vs. Pakistan... He got a chance to hear both sides of the story.. He was the one who experienced love on both sides of the border... He was the one who saw the difference between Indian military and Lala's militants.. He had the first hand experience of the teachings of Lala as well as Vikram... Wisdom shines in the times of turmoils, in the time of dilemmas, in the times when we have to make difficult choices and Siddhant was wise, certainly a wise man.. Writers had shown it.. Very well shown it.. Then suddenly what happened...??

All I can conclude that if a wise and intelligent man like Siddhant can change then perhaps anybody can change.. Anyone.. Does affection, education, upbringing, training play no role in once's decision making capability... Is Lala the most intelligent thing that existed on Earth ?? What can be done to avoid a situation like this ??

If indoctrination is a problem then what is the possible solution or is it that all dance to the tunes of the fate because Sid had everything that was needed to shape up a strong personality, Shobha's love, a respected position in army, unconditional love for the country, Vikram's teachings, a very sharp mind, a very strong will power and sensitivity for human beings and yet he changed... None of all this played any role in preventing him from not getting swayed away by Lala's manipulations..


exactly my point
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Fragrance.

In my opinion Siddhant's choice was very important the toughest... No one in this show went through the situation like him... For Vikram, Sartaj and Imaan, it was always about India or India and they chose India and I do feel proud of them... But it was Sid for whom it was India vs. Pakistan... He got a chance to hear both sides of the story.. He was the one who experienced love on both sides of the border... He was the one who saw the difference between Indian military and Lala's militants.. He had the first hand experience of the teachings of Lala as well as Vikram... Wisdom shines in the times of turmoils, in the time of dilemmas, in the times when we have to make difficult choices and Siddhant was wise, certainly a wise man.. Writers had shown it.. Very well shown it.. Then suddenly what happened...??

All I can conclude that if a wise and intelligent man like Siddhant can change then perhaps anybody can change.. Anyone.. Does affection, education, upbringing, training play no role in once's decision making capability... Is Lala the most intelligent thing that existed on Earth ?? What can be done to avoid a situation like this ??

If indoctrination is a problem then what is the possible solution or is it that all dance to the tunes of the fate because Sid had everything that was needed to shape up a strong personality, Shobha's love, a respected position in army, unconditional love for the country, Vikram's teachings, a very sharp mind, a very strong will power and sensitivity for human beings and yet he changed... None of all this played any role in preventing him from not getting swayed away by Lala's manipulations..


Very well written
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Exactly..what a mess these writers created!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Anshvi, I have always in my posts written how the writers failed to give a strong reason for Sid to switch sides, especially given his intelligence and also the time period - 15 years of torture and still a proud soldier, 2 years of sugar coated words and he turns..doesn't make sense but that is how it is (But I dont underestimate the power of indoctrination. Its happens to people living in perfectly normal, healthy surroundings). The writers wanted to show him indoctrinated and they did.
And after that there was no stopping him. Blind with hate, his mission was to destroy lives. So much was the 'brainwashing' and manipulation that a man who apparently turned because of his love for a child, got dejected when he witnessed innocents fleeing his clutches of terror. Nothing matter, not even Sartaj's death.
So after all this whose deeds mattered more? The once upon a time beautiful, loving and patriotic Sidhanth's good deeds or the current bloodthirsty Sadiq's bad deeds? Who is Shobha supposed to remember? Her lovely brother or the same brother who unleashed terror? Who is Imaan supposed to remember? The man who embraced death so that he could live or the man responsible for taking away his partner Sartaj? Such a dilemma.

In my eyes Sadiq was so so so bad that he negated all of Sidhanth's good actions because after all, we may call him by two different names but we are talking about the same man. He saved Imaan's life and gave him and Sartaj freedom only to come back and wreak havoc in theirs and their familes' lives. Sartaj lost his freedom forever because of the very man who gave it to him so, what was the use of this freedom? Does it even matter now?
When Sid got shot (I will call him Sid because in those last moments he was Sid, a regretful, guilty Sid) I couldn't celebrate the fact that a terrorist died because of the kind of man he used to be and where his own actions and deeds got him. When they showed his body, I felt like turning my face away because he was a man we all loved so much, who could go places but he chose this instead.

Soldiers are humans and so are terrorists and Sidhanth was both. A soldier in the form of Sid and a terrorist in the form of Sadiq and I don't think asking for Sadiq to be punished for everything he did is putting pressure on our Soldiers. I think everyone is aware of the fact that the day you become someone like Sadiq, your days are numbered. What we saw was that in such situations even soldiers get vulnerable which is perfectly close to reality but so is to show the consequences when such vulnerability leads to Sadiq type actions. He was undoubtedly wrong by Lala but that is no justification for his heartless, terrorizing behavior. Most of the terrorists we see in the world are people who have been wronged in their life which led them on the path they are standing on today but a sad and wronged past cannot pardon your gruesome acts.

My heart breaks for the beautiful, jovial 21 year old Sidhanth but while mourning him I cannot forget Sadiq who was very much a part of him.

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Posted: 8 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: Aahana-

Anshvi, I have always in my posts written how the writers failed to give a strong reason for Sid to switch sides, especially given his intelligence and also the time period - 15 years of torture and still a proud soldier, 2 years of sugar coated words and he turns..doesn't make sense but that is how it is (But I dont underestimate the power of indoctrination. Its happens to people living in perfectly normal, healthy surroundings). The writers wanted to show him indoctrinated and they did.

And after that there was no stopping him. Blind with hate, his mission was to destroy lives. So much was the 'brainwashing' and manipulation that a man who apparently turned because of his love for a child, got dejected when he witnessed innocents fleeing his clutches of terror. Nothing matter, not even Sartaj's death.
So after all this whose deeds mattered more? The once upon a time beautiful, loving and patriotic Sidhanth's good deeds or the current bloodthirsty Sadiq's bad deeds? Who is Shobha supposed to remember? Her lovely brother or the same brother who unleashed terror? Who is Imaan supposed to remember? The man who embraced death so that he could live or the man responsible for taking away his partner Sartaj? Such a dilemma.

In my eyes Sadiq was so so so bad that he negated all of Sidhanth's good actions because after all, we may call him by two different names but we are talking about the same man. He saved Imaan's life and gave him and Sartaj freedom only to come back and wreak havoc in theirs and their familes' lives. Sartaj lost his freedom forever because of the very man who gave it to him so, what was the use of this freedom? Does it even matter now?
When Sid got shot (I will call him Sid because in those last moments he was Sid, a regretful, guilty Sid) I couldn't celebrate the fact that a terrorist died because of the kind of man he used to be and where his own actions and deeds got him. When they showed his body, I felt like turning my face away because he was a man we all loved so much, who could go places but he chose this instead.

Soldiers are humans and so are terrorists and Sidhanth was both. A soldier in the form of Sid and a terrorist in the form of Sadiq and I don't think asking for Sadiq to be punished for everything he did is putting pressure on our Soldiers. I think everyone is aware of the fact that the day you become someone like Sadiq, your days are numbered. What we saw was that in such situations even soldiers get vulnerable which is perfectly close to reality but so is to show the consequences when such vulnerability leads to Sadiq type actions. He was undoubtedly wrong by Lala but that is no justification for his heartless, terrorizing behavior. Most of the terrorists we see in the world are people who have been wronged in their life which led them on the path they are standing on today but a sad and wronged past cannot pardon your gruesome acts.

My heart breaks for the beautiful, jovial 21 year old Sidhanth but while mourning him I cannot forget Sadiq who was very much a part of him.


See this is why I am disppointed with the writers...he never looked or behaved like a man who wanted to destroyed lives!
He asked Yusuf to kill him rather than an innocent man in Pakistan !
He asked Ibrahim in Pak hospital not to cause any blood shed.
He in Thadani's office stopped Ibrahim and asked him not to fire.
I am not sure why this contradicting behaviour !!!!!!!
IT doesn't make sense to me.
It would have made sense if we had seen Sadiq as a hard core Jehadi right from the time we met him ! But the writers never showed him like that...that was Yusuf not Sadiq !

Why show him having so much of compassion...only to turn his character completely negative towards the end.
He said he was pro humanity and he was doing it for every Rohan...I wanted to know his perspective as to how releasing Mullah will solve that
How killing many such innocents in hospital will serve that purpose !

So many questions remain unanswered

Why terrorists helped Harleen..why not wlt her die...Whey did they leave Naaz and Sartaj..they could have simply killed him.

Remember Ibrahim was on phone and Sadiq asked him to whom he eas talking and he said no one ! Why show that scnene ! What was the point !

He was always in conflict in Pak regarding his identity..why turn when bejng called Siddhant and not on Sadiq...why this scene was shown ?

I don't know what message writers wanted to convey !
That soldiers are human and can turn...okay but it should have been shown in a more sensible manner...I am not sure how love of a kid with whom u had spent merely few months can overshadow the love u had for ur sister , nation , mentor and friends.
Even if the brainwashing for this strong then at least that should have been portrayed that way !

Or th message was that one Lala was so intelligent that he brainwashed an equally intelligent solider like Siddhant and his maipualiton was stronger than Vikram's teaching , solider training , sister's upbringing and so on.

Or that ya a brave soldier turned into a terrorist and died ! No big deal ! He deserved it !
But why ! Why not make the viewers understand his psyche , his perspective or many give a meaningful message out of it !

I did not get any reason from the writers as to what he wanted to achieve !
DISAPPOINTED !


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Exactly ...There is a A Contradicting Behavior from Sadiq side ...
He went full on Negative from Wednesday Episode ..or better to say Friday because there were still some open loops left before that ..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: RollingStones

Exactly ...There is a A Contradicting Behavior from Sadiq side ...

He went full on Negative from Wednesday Episode ..or better to say Friday because there were still some open loops left before that ..


Copy pasting from another thread

Why not answer the questions

1. Why Sadiq asked Ibrahim not to fire in Thadani's office.

2. Why terrorists helped Harleen or why not killed both Naaz and Sartaj

3. What message Shobha received

4. Why that scene was shown where Ibrahim spoke on the phone and Sadiq asked him as to what he was doing and he lied

5. Why Sadiq looked worried when he heard the news of gun firing and who he was speaking to on phone the whole time !

6. Why did he turn if he was Sadiq on hearing Siddhant...I know I have asked this 1000 times but still it was a very poignant moment to leave unanswered...why show it in the first place

7. How did he think releasing Mullah Peer will be in humanity's favour , and keeping so many civilians hostage will serve the purpose...why such contradictory demands ! One hand he said he was pro humanity and then did things against humanity...why didn't we learn his perspective or what exactly his plan was!

8. Why he never took Isi's help..why he destroyed the entire Jaish..and I will again say that it was to gain India's trust then I would say it was a bullshit senseless logic.

9. Why ask Afreen to not tell anyone that he wad Sadiq...why ? Jadun would have gladly helped on knowing the truth !

All these questions remain unanswered !
Edited by anshvi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#18

Originally posted by: .Fragrance.

In my opinion Siddhant's choice was very important the toughest... No one in this show went through the situation like him... For Vikram, Sartaj and Imaan, it was always about India or India and they chose India and I do feel proud of them... But it was Sid for whom it was India vs. Pakistan... He got a chance to hear both sides of the story.. He was the one who experienced love on both sides of the border... He was the one who saw the difference between Indian military and Lala's militants.. He had the first hand experience of the teachings of Lala as well as Vikram... Wisdom shines in the times of turmoils, in the time of dilemmas, in the times when we have to make difficult choices and Siddhant was wise, certainly a wise man.. Writers had shown it.. Very well shown it.. Then suddenly what happened...??

All I can conclude that if a wise and intelligent man like Siddhant can change then perhaps anybody can change.. Anyone.. Does affection, education, upbringing, training play no role in once's decision making capability... Is Lala the most intelligent thing that existed on Earth ?? What can be done to avoid a situation like this ??

If indoctrination is a problem then what is the possible solution or is it that all dance to the tunes of the fate because Sid had everything that was needed to shape up a strong personality, Shobha's love, a respected position in army, unconditional love for the country, Vikram's teachings, a very sharp mind, a very strong will power and sensitivity for human beings and yet he changed... None of all this played any role in preventing him from not getting swayed away by Lala's manipulations..



Well Said , Writers should have pondered on this .

Heck Siddhant and his story was their Moot Point , their Subject of the Show ... and they just touched it and pushed it under the carpet ...and now showing FlashBack's...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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So disappointed ya!! I was watching it our beloved couple iman and naaz . Their stories could have taken some beautiful turns and now they are just going to end in rush by 2 min scene.

I don't get what was point to hide from everyone but Afreen that Siddhant is still sadiq . Phukat mein the doctor and that malvi saab got killed .

I think writers just stopped using their brains in last episodes !! I was so impressedwhen naz went to Pakistan what thrilling episodes those were.

And man Anurag acting !! If pow aired in us he would definitely get an Emmy . How could they not maintain the thrill element in last episodes!!
Edited by shar. - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shar.

So disappointed ya!! I was watching it our beloved couple iman and naaz . Their stories could have taken some beautiful turns and now they are just going to end in rush by 2 min scene.

I don't get what was point to hide from everyone but Afreen that Siddhant is still sadiq . Phukat mein the doctor and that malvi saab got killed .

I think writers just stopped using their brains in last episodes !! I was so impressedwhen naz went to Pakistan what thrilling episodes those were.

And man Anurag acting !! If pow aired in us he would definitely get an Emmy . How could they not maintain the thrill element in last episodes!!



AGREEE!!!! They started on such a high note and then d show got to whole new level after Sid's entry...I think that one week of Naaz in Pak and Sid's return to India week was the best and most thrilling content I have seen on TV (Including many American shows) it was that great and on the edge thriller and so much euphoria !!!!!
After such a high it's like they crash landed BADLY which is a shame coz such a brilliant series deserved a brilliant ending not this sloppy , poor , illogical , tragic ending with so many loose ends followed by 3 epis of flashbacks...DISAPPOINTING !

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