Crushing the ego vs Melting the ego

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Crushing someone's ego by defeating him would not reform him, instead it will humiliate him and breed rage, bitterness, feeling of revenge and sometimes suicidal shame. Nothing positive ever comes out. Positivity comes only if the ego is melted and vanished may through love and warmth or through something else.

However a word of caution is needed. There's something even worse than explicitly saying I crushed your ego. That's rubbing salt to the wound by first defeating and crushing someone's ego and then display humility. Even if the intention is innocent and display of humility is genuine, salt is rubbed.

There are speech and actions which say that I never intended to insult or humiliate or crush any ego, I never intended to put you down or show you low. They say I have always respected, revered and worshipped you and I still do, I don't feel superior to you but find you worthy of respect, reverence and worship. They say that I don't even look at it this way that I have defeated or crushed you; I don't look at it as my victory over you or any such thing.

All of these actually shouts loud that look how humble and filled with humility I still am, even after outshining you which whereas you are the one who turned arrogant on attaining success. This makes me even more superior to and greater than you.

Saying things like I never intended or set out to defeat you or crush your ego is like saying look you are so no match for me that I can even unintentionally and playfully, absolutely effortlessly defeat you. I am so much better than you that I defeated you without any effort when I didn't intended to.

But that's what D has been doing. Defeating IMV and then saying I didn't set out to defeat you. It just happened (you are so easy for me to defeat that it just happens without any intention, i don't even need to put an effort, bas khel-khel mein hi, though that's not what she means but that's what is naturally sent across).

This is what D would continue doing and Baa would love it 😉

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Wowww I am very impressd by the flow of ur thoughts...

Devki cannot always win khelte khelte, thst so 🤪 business is just not luck winning by a chance its all abt working hard, making concrete plans, executing strategies and reviewing actions,

therez no way can Devki ever say she didnt do it intentionally🤪, she wud only b lying if she says so👎🏼, therez no way u can win in business unless u find the weakness of the the opponent and strike its such a simple phylosophy of life...😳.
Devki wudnt succed until she does anythinggg intentionally,
Business is no childs play n easy cakewalk tht ppl bcome successful just by sheer luck and chance..🤔.., if it was so easy everyone wud do business and take a chance instead of work hard doing other professional studies.
to b continued😛😳😆😆
Edited by ladybird9 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Thanks ladybird9 (sorry I don't know your name)!
And well, she does work hard in the kitchen by supervising the cooks😉
Surprised that she still gets an investor. And when did she create the proposal? While in kitchen I guess😆
And she did say to IMV 'mera aapko harane ka koi irada nahi tha' to which IMV said 'Bina irada kiye hara diya? Irada kar logi to mera kya hoga?'.
Guess she is trying hard to play the role of a perfect business-home balancer and hence all those goody goody act. Perhaps the creative team doesn't want her to come across as schemey
and cinematic limitations force them not to demonstrate her business intelligence so that it doesn't get too heavy for the wide audience they want reach. A real intelligent business decision they might not be able to comprehend.
So they use old trick, show the people around as stupid to show her intelligent. She telling VV about the bad history of a businessman he was considering to work with. It said less about her intelligence and more about VV's negligence. It's beyond comprehension that a businessman of his stature would build business relations without background research.
Another instance where in a land auction she looses the land but tells IMV that she won because she made him incur a loss of 100cr. He bought a land for 5.5cr whose price can't be more than 4.5cr. The scene was to show her intelligence but to me it looked like self congratulatory and nothing more. 4.5 crore is the market price gg by the value market sees in the land. If IMV has a project planned on that land which can give him huge returns, value of the land for him may be even 8cr so a good profit of 2.5cr. Good deal. May be he is better judge of land's value than the rest of market definetly more than D. Losing that land to a competitor might have turned out to be a greater loss in long term. D thought of only short term profit and loss and yet we are forced to believe she is intelligent.
An ordinary businessman might have taken it to his ego and make sure he gets the land just to show he is the richest and have more money to spare than anyone else. But not suits a businessman of IMV's experience and shrewdness. He might have big ego but he won't let his ego cause him business loss. He is too shrewd for this. He even greets BB with folded hands politely shielding all his ego when it suits him.
So lets give it to them and if they say that she is extraordinarily intelligent and can defeat IMV spending time at home with kids, so be it👏
One more thing! A 23 year old even from London School of Business or even Wharton or Harvard for that matter and even with first rank doesnot get the job profile that she got in any big size company like Rising group unless she belongs to a big business family. They would generally want atleast 7-10 years of pre B-school experience at some good position. She belonged to a business family but that wasn't disclosed to anyone when she got her job. She was sitting in boardroom and was directly reporting to the company owner. A 23 year old can do that only as a PA which they do hire from B schools. She definetly wasn't PA as they don't go for such auctions.
So TV has licence to show anything in name of fiction.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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hai, Anu, i'm so glad n infact very pleased 2 read ur POVs u seem 2 speak just plain facts as facts..btw i'm Shivani..i wish my name was something IMV..I'm V 😛..i just read ur lovely post..my wavelength of thinking seems to match urs...plzz gv me some time..i shall reply further😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: anupditto

Thanks ladybird9 (sorry I don't know your name)!
i guess u know by now😃 im shivani😃 ims😆😆
And well, she does work hard in the kitchen by supervising the cooks😉
ohh yesss she works really hard 😆😆
Surprised that she still gets an investor. And when di😆😆d she create the proposal? While in kitchen I guess😆 exactly...this was my question too, common show us the intelligence, wht intelligence has she used..but nope..we r ********* fools sitting here blindly be;ieve whtever nonsense they tell us huhh! I was told this is an intelligent show for intelligent ppl n kya very disappointingg 😒
And she did say to IMV 'mera aapko harane ka koi irada nahi tha' to which IMV said 'Bina irada kiye hara diya? Irada kar logi to mera kya hoga?'. achaaa i dont rember this scene, coz of my gen tendency to multitask as i watch rather listen to these shows n do other things on my laptop😛😳😆


Guess she is trying hard to play the role of a perfect business-home balancer and hence all those goody goody act huhh!!!😒 tht is cheatingg on her part isnt it??😕 . Perhaps the creative team doesn't want her to come across as schemey thts a very lame excuse on their part
and cinematic limitations force them not to demonstrate her business intelligence so that it doesn't get too heavy for the wide audience they want reach quite possible..but whts our fault to b intelligent to understand the bigger picture...i guess its high time, tv industry seriously thinks abt ppl who really love true intelligent stuff unlike fake intelligent stuff churned up day in n out A real intelligent business decision they might not be able to comprehend.how sadd!!! i am really interested in knowing the depths of intelligence of a business man..i'm not planning to learn business just by watching this show, just like no one can become a surgeon just by watching surgery..though the comaparision is not the best atleast..it does show the mystery of businessmens thoughts actions and reviews...ofocurse it shud b intelligent but not the boring stuff
So they use old trick, show the people around as stupid to show her intelligent.thts not fair to us who want 2 watch real intelligence She telling VV about the bad history of a businessman he was considering to work with. It said less about her intelligence and more about VV's negligence. It's beyond comprehension that a businessman of his stature would build business relations without background research. ohh i missed this scene was it the orecap waala scene..i kind seen it partly.. @purple very well said..👏 shez truly so lame..i am getting irritated by her...i actually wanted 2 watch 2 see this woman show a new meaning of a woaman showing a man what business is all about, I had very high expectations abt this character...alaaasss she thoroughly disappoints me


Another instance where in a land auction she looses the land but tells IMV that she won because she made him incur a loss of 100cr. well is it loss of 1 crore yaa 100cr possibly a typing error from ur side😊 He bought a land for 5.5cr whose price can't be more than 4.5cr. The scene was to show her intelligence but to me it looked like self congratulatory and nothing more. 4.5 crore is the market price gg by the value market sees in the land. If IMV has a project planned on that land which can give him huge returns, value of the land for him may be even 8cr so a good profit of 2.5cr. Good deal. May be he is better judge of land's value than the rest of market definetly more than D. Losing that land to a competitor might have turned out to be a greater loss in long term. D thought of only short term profit and loss and yet we are forced to believe she is intelligent. wowww fanatstic insight into the whole thinggg exactly thsi sis what true intelligenc eis abt a commeon man sees only the loss on teh face of it whereas a businessman looks at the pprofits hez gaining from a deal and i am wth u IMV its def a IMV win situation..even if IMV has no project on mind which i highly doubt is likely..but still ..i am sure he wud use for good use..n btw what does a 1 cr loss reall mean 2 amn of 10, 000 crore business.its like a rat dancing in front of an man..
An ordinary businessman might have taken it to his ego and make sure he gets the land just to show he is the richest and have more money to spare than anyone else. But not suits a businessman of IMV's experience and shrewdness. He might have big ego but he won't let his ego cause him business loss. He is too shrewd for this. He even greets BB with folded hands politely shielding all his ego when it suits him. absolutely...i guess i have to learn this to b politely shielding my anger though😛😳😆😆 i can b very blunt and politically incorrect when i get angry😳😆😆
So lets give it to them and if they say that she is extraordinarily intelligent and can defeat IMV spending time at home with kids, so be it👏 ohh nooo😆😆😆😆 well mayb yess let me b politically correct..first thing learnt from watching this show😳😆
One more thing! A 23 year old even from London School of Business or even Wharton or Harvard for that matter and even with first rank doesnot get the job profile that she got in any big size company like Rising group unless she belongs to a big business family. ohh i seee😲😲
They would generally want atleast 7-10 years of pre B-school experience at some good position. ok She belonged to a business family but that wasn't disclosed to anyone when she got her job. Yupp thst what i guesss tehy clain in the story she was sitting in boardroom and was directly reporting to the company owner achaaa😆😆😆. A 23 year old can do that only as a PA which they do hire from B schools. hmmmn She definetly wasn't PA as they don't go for such auctions.
So TV has licence to show anything in name of fiction. huhh!!! very sad I wsih I had licence to kill ppl showing using thsi licence😳😆😆😆



Anu trust me its my great pleasure reading ur pov on this story..I absolutely love the way u write.I see ur a newbie a belated welcome .🤗.hope u have a nice time here😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Yes Shivani...there's a typo but not in 2 zeros but decimal. Loss is of 100 cr while read 4.5 as 450, 8.5 as 850 and so on. So not a typo but a plethora of typos, downfall of long posts I guess!
And yes I am new here. I usually prefer sports channel or SAB TV. Don't look dramas. Had great expectations from the show gg by promos but got grossly disappointed and yet watching it (I am surprised with myself). Started watching a few days back but have watched a lot of episodes as I watch on youtube. I had to belt out my frustations and then I got this forum.
Thot this wud b dffrnt frm regular shows but this too is a saas-bahu show now, role of saas played by sasoor and hence women not shown fighting among themselves. And even sasoor is now mostly dealing with D as saas do in other shows. I would have preferred more of a board room drama or business field scheming and may be in house scheming thrown in between.
I would have loved IMV to take on D but now he is avoiding her, afraid to face her directly. Sending her to honeymoon looks cowardice. He is using less of business tricks and more of saas-bahu tricks. Now it seems that had D not become IMV's DIL, he would have got easily defeated. He is safe only because D doesn't know his intents and he can keep a watch on and manipulate D's move. D tells him all her moves to him (her competitor, stupid girl). Where are the real ground level business tricks, clean tricks, dirty tricks, legal tricks, illegal tricks, any tricks but business tricks instead of taking advantage of being sasoor who bahu doesn't suspect.
Is this Devki the strongest rival he ever faced in such a long career. Can't be. He would have thrown established, powerful empires when he started. He didn't have to bring all of them home, make them DIL, send them to honeymoon to throw them out of business. How did he do that? Why not use those against D? Or has he stupidly written all he had in his book (not keeping the most important and crucial one to his chest or limited to the knowledge of select few like VV and sid) and D is the only one who has read it or can successfully implement and execute what's in the book?
But now that I am here...may be I would stay, even when I have stopped watching MB.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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tqs for the clarification Anu...U seem 2 b very intelligent in perfectly analysing a situation..i am loving tht honestly..
Well honestly we were not allowed 2 watch dramas at home and I watch MB n PKYEK tqs to Anmol n I watch Navya...b4 tht i used 2 watch tht stupid nonsense show Uttaran..i am even ashamed of myself 2 say tht i watched tht horrible soap...anyways it been 2 months + i gave up tht soap..

reg D beating IMV by his rule book...it makes so much sense..if shown in fake hype by charu latha and baa and now VV sining songs of D's hardwork n intelligence...its absolutely nothing but hype 2 say this show is an intelligent show for intelligent ppl..they r simply fooling around...as rightly pointed by u, substituting sasur insted of a saas
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