Misaligned attack and Defense reason for Garud's loss

Yesterday in real terms Garuds lost. They lost Shiva and then the book. Reason the other Garuds going to defend their leader without his knowledge.

I wouldn't call it a loss. As books can not be decoded untill Devi Saraswati helps, as per Bhairavi, the river Saraswati along with the divine knowledge to understand both the books is lupta now. So Garudas still have time to get the books back from Nagas.
In his arrogance Dansh indirecly handed over Leela to Garudas, who is now under Rudra's obligation for saving her life. If Shivananad is with Nagas the Leela, Naga Guru's daughter is Garuda's captive now.
It's 1-1. The game is on.
Shooting his daughter will not be taken calmly by Naga guru.

Meena by loss I meant Garuds had an agenda to save Shiva and if possible the books. From that point they failed. I just looked at why their agenda failed or their plan failed. In the net analysis Dansk is an idiot to publicly betray one among his clan, while Rudra still stands tall as the protector.

True shruthi.
But I was considering what Bhairavi had told Rudra, you will have a vision what others can't. He'll think ahead of others. Where other's vision, thinking ends, your's will start from that pt.
MY post was in that context. 😆

My dear Shruthi,

An eminently sensible take - with your attack & defence matrix - on what seemed to me a chaotic episode, right down to the utterly cliched, last minute clifftop rescue of Leela by our boy wonder.Where did they find this deadly cliff so near Prayag, I wonder. Balderdash!😡

I really cannot type any more, but I wanted to respond to your opening post, so I shall be using some of the things I had written on my own latest thread, much of it in response to you. Please bear with me.

Last night, Rudra, thanks to his humanism, ended up minus both the Books and his Baba, a situation that might perhaps have been predicted, and with a nag kanya on his hands as well. Seeing that he cannot fail in the end, I am sure it is precisely this that will work out in his favour down the line. But right now, the whole thing looked like a mess.

This is what comes of plans where the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing. As you have noted as well, Charles, above all, will have to learn that he cannot go on his own way like fancyfree, unguided missile, keeping his leader in the dark and botching up the plan that he had already announced to them.

Nor could I understand why Rudra had to lose sight of the precious Books to cater to the enemy agent, which is exactly what Leela is. Not being able to shoot her in cold blood is one thing. Losing sight of his principal objective, and flapping over her while her leader calmly made off with both the Books and his Baba was really too much. And then he runs like mad, not after the shav vahan to rescue his Baba, but after Dansh and the Books.

Rudra needs to be shaken till his teeth rattle, and taught his priorities. But who is going to do that?

But I loved the way in which he did not offer any excuses to Dansh for the DM and the other garuds turning up unknown to him, but made it sound as if he had intended it all along. That makes for unpredictability, which is always useful with a Dansh convinced that Rudra the Garud Pramukh will never cheat.

There were a number of things I did not understand about Dansh last night.

Why he shot Leela - though perhaps he knows that she will not be hurt the way he aims his shots, and indeed she seems to be pretty much ok. Perhaps he felt that such a major shock was necessary in order to distract Rudra sufficiently for him to collar the books and drive off with Shivanand as well, and also that the garuds would never hurt Leela. (Incidentally, I am waiting to see MB deal with Leela's foolish attempt to hold her hostage with a knife at her throat. Leela is in for a surprise!😉)

Why he tells Leela that garuds do not do dhoka, after having told her exactly the opposite earlier. You said on my thread that it was a slip of the tongue, and perhaps that was so, for Know Alls can sometimes trip over themselves!

Why he is having himself flagellated, like the albino monk in The Da Vinci Code, after having pulled off a coup by collaring the Two Books without having given Shivanand back either. Maybe to punish himself for having abandoned Leela to the garuds?

This is going to prove to be a cardinal mistake on his part, for her sojourn among the garuds, on top of her natural gratitude to Rudra for having saved her life instead of chasing Dansh and the Two Books, will lead to Leela shifting her loyalties in due course. This is something on which we both agree.

Talking of decisions, on the surface and for now, Rudra's decision has backfired badly, and now the garuds have neither the Two Books nor Shivanand. Let us see how the others, especially Prof. Rao, react to this. Rudra can of course say that but for the interference of the others, they would have at least got Shivanand back.

It can easily become a tu tu main main, but I do not think it will, not so soon. Rudra has earned his leadership spurs in the bomb crisis, and they all know that there can be only one decision-maker. The thing is for them to stick to that in practice as well!

Lastly, I am tired of seeing Shivanand with his head lolling, like a piece of human flotsam. He was my favourite character till a couple of weeks back, and I strongly resent his being reduced to this. And his boasting that one garud had always been equal to 1000 nagas reminded me, in its foolish and unnecessary braggadocio, of similar statements by our neighbouring country generals. 😉

Shyamala

@Shymaladi Rudra was lost the moment Dansh shot Leela. He was not just distracted but totally confused by that sudden move by Dansh which Charles understood and warned. But then Rudra had gone beyond that warning.

Spot on, my dear.

But see, Shruthi, if Rudra can be led astray so easily, he has to sit down and think this thru, for his has now created a major problem for all of them, , and the next time it might be even worse. I had started crossing him out of the two weak garuds as per Greyerson after his eminently hard-nosed choice during the bomb threat.. But now I am not at all sure. What can one say of a leader who panicks like this in a crisis?

If he cannof focus unwaveringly on the most important thing, in this case getting hold of Shiva, what will he do when the amrit surfaces and the nagas create another diversionary crisis, as I am sure Dansh will? If no one else, MB has to din some sense into his head before it is too late.

And what was it about Leela helping get rid of the poison ingested by Maya? MB was offering that as an argument to pacify the irritated garuds who were dead against Rudra rescuing Leela. But the precap seemed to indicate that Rudra is letting her off scot free.

Incidentally, Rao seems to have taken himself off, for he was nowhere to be seen yesternight.

And what about the Saraswati Kund and the Rao gizmo? Now that they can explore that to their heart's content without Daadi surging up from nowhere and fixing them with a basilisk gaze, Rao, the garuds and Utkarsh seem to have forgotten all about the vilupt Saraswati ka jeev kan, though that was supposed to be the key to the mystery of the amrit.

Shyamala Di

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Shymaladi Rudra was lost the moment Dansh shot Leela. He was not just distracted but totally confused by that sudden move by Dansh which Charles understood and warned. But then Rudra had gone beyond that warning.

His priority was Shiva, but then once Leela was shot he just choose something. it was the not the composed leader we saw in the field, but again someone who didn't know how to handle that unpredictability of that attack.

Shymaladi I maintain from day one Rudra and Charles are the two strongest and 2 weakest Garuds. Emotions rule them one way or other. For Rudra if it is the role of the protector, Charles it is the friendship with Rudra.