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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#991

Originally posted by: DrModel

Exactly. For once we agree. Even the srimad bhagwatam refers to mahanayak as the chosen one.
But still incessant rants on why he is the star of the show.

i agree as well he is the mahanayak what he has done in the epic is enough to prove his mahnayak status no need to add additional roles or give some one else's heroic moments to him.He has enough of his own to make him the hero no need to take from some one else

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

#992

Is the citation that draupadi plotted who would kill keechak not sufficient?

If that is mine & @LeadNitrate interpretation then that is our prerogative.

Just like paying no attention to a disclaimer stating that the story has been tweaked to suit a modern audience of all ages is a viewer's prerogative or the ph telling the story their way and still being sp's top 3 show is the audience's.

Just like accepting that Bhim killed keechak as he was the strongest and that is my prerogative

Freedom of interpretation. And with that i m done w this.

Edited by DrModel - 11 years ago

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#993

@Dr model please read my reply citation is of draupadi convincing bhima not about how to kill him

if there is a citation where she says i will lure keechaka and then you kill him then please share the same

i am fine with interpretation but if the epic mentions that draupadi only goes to bhima and convinces him then he comes up with a plan of how to kill keechaka how can that be interpreted as draupadi goes to all panadavs and arjuna comes up with a plan is beyond me

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

#994

Did I not say I was done w this?its going around in circles.

Perhaps i have more patience than @LeadNitrate

So as per convenience this has gone from Dpadi did not seduce Bhim to Dpadi plotted nothing to Arjun said the one sentence that Bhim should have said which Draupadi KNEW Bhim would say which is why she went to him. So Bhim saying meet Keechak and I will come and kill him is more important than Dpadi planning to seduce Bhim, crying to him, blaming Yudi in front of him knowing fully well he would do her bidding.

So Bhim losing one dialogue and zero screen space is something to begrudge. Fine. Your wish. I m done here. Do not quote or address me. I cannot keep explaining the same thing over and over.

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AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 11 years ago

#995

How this go from the Karna war thread to the Bhim war zone?😛

Once incited by Draupadi it was Bhima that planned the death of Keechak. Here both Panchali's incitement and Bhima's planning was omitted.

Bhima was also much more valiant and active in the defeat of Jayadrath - all the Pandav were. Lastly, Bhima is the ONLY Pandav that spoke up during VH. So, its not about giving Arjuna some of Bhim's credit - its giving Arjuna much of Bhim's credit. And also giving some of Bhim's dialogues to YNS.

Arjuna is not begruded his MAHANAYAK status...but, if StarBharat showed Yuddhi receiving Geeta Gyan or fighting Kaurav sena at Virat then would we not say that they have re-written the story to overhype Dharmaraj's glory??

Inf act haven't some complained about the WHITEWASHING of Yuddhi as well as Karna? Why? Because its not MAHABHARAT. Its FF of Mahabharat. CVs have the creative license to air this FF and we all watch this FF. The only thing is they are passing of Pucci as Gucci and the masses are lapping it up as Gucci. As for those who recognize the Pucciness of the product and still watch we are entitled to crib about the trivialization and whitewashing of the characters we appreciate. Afterall its our cultural heritage.

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nikki1291

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Posted: 11 years ago

#996

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ
How this go from the Karna war thread to the Bhim war zone?😛

Once incited by Draupadi it was Bhima that planned the death of Keechak. Here both Panchali's incitement and Bhima's planning was omitted.

Bhima was also much more valiant and active in the defeat of Jayadrath - all the Pandav were. Lastly, Bhima is the ONLY Pandav that spoke up during VH. So, its not about giving Arjuna some of Bhim's credit - its giving Arjuna much of Bhim's credit. And also giving some of Bhim's dialogues to YNS.

Arjuna is not begruded his MAHANAYAK status...but, if StarBharat showed Yuddhi receiving Geeta Gyan or fighting Kaurav sena at Virat then would we not say that they have re-written the story to overhype Dharmaraj's glory??

Inf act haven't some complained about the WHITEWASHING of Yuddhi as well as Karna? Why? Because its not MAHABHARAT. Its FF of Mahabharat. CVs have the creative license to air this FF and we all watch this FF. The only thing is they are passing of Pucci as Gucci and the masses are lapping it up as Gucci. As for those who recognize the Pucciness of the product and still watch we are entitled to crib about the trivialization and whitewashing of the characters we appreciate. Afterall its our cultural heritage.

i so agree abt the needless over-hyping of Mahanayak arjun..i have no problems with him..he is indeed the hero...i mean he is the one that the lord chose to impart his Gyan to...so there is definitely no doubt as to the fact that indeed arjun is the main guy...

Staryuddhi even says something on the lines that despite him being the eldest , the world will always remember arjun as the most noble and valiant and famous son of pandu...

his eminence and presence in the original epic ( screentime in tv sense) is definitely more than the others...

and this is why its weird why the cvs have to show him do things that he doesnt...because the things that he does do are more than enuf to show him to be the maha-nayak...

the lakshagrih part or being the leader instead of yuddhi while they were in jungle post varnavrat werent required at all..and there are many such examples..the five brothers represented five different aspects...each one had their own importance...admittedly arjun's more so than the others...

dont ppl see the cvs by inventing or by glorifying arjun are actually taking away from him...he doesnt need false glorification..he was quite samarth... there is no need to whitewash him or to over-glorify him...he doesnt need it...

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Justitia

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Posted: 11 years ago

#997

Actually, the feeling that I get here is that in order to compensate for the "over-glorification" of Arjuna's Mahanayak status, CVs have made Yudi behave in an extremely OOC manner (& whitewashed him greatly), and in the process, poor Bhim still gets the shaft to some degree.

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Bhabhuha

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Posted: 11 years ago

#998

Originally posted by: -Shani-

Then what was the reason for Virata & mantri Kank to play dice? If Virata really knew who they were right from the beginning, surely, he would also know that the Pandavas have very horrible memories associated with dice...or maybe, mantri Kank himself forgot that he is a "dyut virodhi" 😕

During Vanavas, Yudishtir learns to play dice game. After Agnatvas, he even challenges Duryodhan and Shakuni for a game of dice to avoid blood bath but Dury doesn't accept it.
During Vanvaas all pandavas overcome most of their own fears and insecurities and become better persons

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AnuMP

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Posted: 11 years ago

#999

I was reading the back and forth on Bhim and Arjuna

The protagonist of MB is acknowledged to be Arjuna. While that is how he is presented by Ved Vyas himself, lets acknowledge something here. Panchali was a big part of getting the Pandavs including the Mahanayak freedom after the first dice game. The assault on her was the trigger for the war. It even had Krishna promising her war while he was negotiating for peace,

Lets also acknowledge something else. Of the perpetrators in Kuru Sabha that day all the Kauravas were killed by Bheem not Arjun. Keechak was killed by Bhim with collaboration from Panchali. Jayadrath was caught by Bhim.

Arjun killed 2 VERY IMPORTANT people from the enemy side - Karna and Bhishm. Without those 2 being dead, the Pandavs would not have won. But he had to be persuaded into both by Krishna. With Jayadrath he was motivated by his individual vendetta, namely the killing of Abhimanyu.

I am a big fan of Arjun (should be clear from my user name). But while Arjun is Krishna's closest male friend and the epic is woven about his life, there is Panchali who really pushed for the war (out of personal vendetta as I had so far understood it or out of need for justice as per SP) and then there is Bhim who really cleared the field of the evil people. Of course there is Krishna. He masterfully placed a beautiful, sharp, politically astute and assertive woman in the most powerful royal family of the times and made certain she held the reins. He made their unique situation, if not socially acceptable, at least barely tolerated. He made the political alliances and marriages possible, including that of his sister to Arjuna. The entire epic is like a chess game with Krishna (and to some extent, Panchali / Kunti at various times) on one side and Shakuni on the other

Mahabharat is really about all of them. While it may have started as being Arjun's story, it ended up belonging to all these powerful personalities. People do say Ramayan ended up being Sita's story. This is similar

While I do enjoy watching SP MB, there is no harm in acknowledging that they may be focusing on Arjun because of the actor's draw. They are focusing quite a bit on Panchali as well, probably for the same reason. We cant blame them, they are trying to make a living as well. Oh yeah, being kept guessing on what new thing they may add, keeps me hooked on the show

Edited by thearcher - 11 years ago

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Justitia

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1000

Originally posted by: Bhabhuha

During Vanavas, Yudishtir learns to play dice game. After Agnatvas, he even challenges Duryodhan and Shakuni for a game of dice to avoid blood bath but Dury doesn't accept it.
During Vanvaas all pandavas overcome most of their own fears and insecurities and become better persons

Bodl - So, this could be the "attempted" 2nd dice game in ⭐️B? So, Yudi might go from "dyut virodhi" to himself actually challenging Duri for a dice game...nice.

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