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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: shyam09


Kauravas:
Bhishma: he has to fight against his grandsons and on the side of adharma, arrow-bed
Drona: Will kill best friend Drupad, die by best friend's son Dristadyumn
Kripa: wasn't present so he is a survivor of the war
Duryodhan: well the curse was basically saying that before Dury's death everyone will have gotten punished... sees death of his son before his eyes
Dushashan - Bhim brutally kills him
98 brothers of Dury - killed by bhim
Karna - killed by Arjun
Shaukuni - killed by Sahadev, also sees death of his son



@ red: You mean the show or MB?
Wasn't he present at the Sabha too?
He did not marry, but his punishment was to see his bro in law die terribly , his sister widowed, his friend Bheesma die like that and yet he himself lives
last for him standing guard on the night Aswathama butchers the children and remaining pandava army, he witnesses Aswathama's humiliation and Krishna's terrible curse at Aswi.
Edited by LeadNitrate - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: LeadNitrate


@ red: You mean the show or MB?
Wasn't he present at the Sabha too?
He did not marry, but his punishment was to see his bro in law die terribly , his sister widowed, his friend Bheesma die like that and yet he himself lives
last for him standing guard on the night Aswathama butchers the child, he witnesses Aswathama's humiliation and Krishna's terrible curse at Aswi.

in the serial. I didn't see him at all.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Sabhayata


yes let me try .Taking ideas from cotswolds OS

Sahdev will get poorvabhaas boosting potions from daddy so that he can get clearer poorvabhaas's in the future for eg in kurushetra war

Nakul will get extra facial packs from his Daddy so that his beauty can distract warrior in kurushetra

🤣.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

BRC did show Upapandav. Pre-war. In Dwarika with Abhi. They had a session where Panchali correctly guessed each son's name.

And StarBharat have mentioned Dury training from Balrama. That was way for Dury to convince Balrama to marry Subhi to him.


Thanks a lot.
Maybe they will show it similar this time too.
As I said, before war, Upapandavas have not much to do, similar to Abhi.
Its during the war that their valour was disclosed

and the whole calculation error , they will do that always.

and They will prolly bring grown ups to play Abhi and the upapandavas too.

Whatever, as long as they show detailed war , for two months I am Happy.


I wish they would have mentioned Satyaki a bit.
He was amazing in the war.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: bheegi



I posted this on the separate thread also:

From whatever reading I've down, Kurukshetra war was never a war of personal vengeance or a war for land but a war for justice.

It's about not offering the second cheek after being slapped the first time
and as Vidur has summarized it:

To save the family, [one must] abandon an individual. To save the village, abandon a family; to save the country, abandon the village.18

Das, Gurcharan (2010-09-03). The Difficulty of Being Good:On the Subtle Art of Dharma (Kindle Locations 1824-1825). Oxford University Press. Kindle Edition.

If they wanted personal revenge, they could have done it at the Gandharva incident or Virat war. Because the war was needed for a greater cause, they waited till the right moment.

The personal equation just added to the incentive for the war.

It's kinda like Osama Bin laden needed to be killed for the greater good of mankind but until the twin towers were attacked, the world powers had no incentive to find and kill him.


Hey guys I've opened a new thread to discuss this. https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/104573756
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Posted: 11 years ago
New promo .. durvasa on wednesday
link : http://desi**forum.net/tv-shows/mahabharat-promo-16th-april-2014-720p-video-watch-online-h-2/

tv in place of **
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: BlrBabe

New promo .. durvasa on wednesday

Thanks for the update...😊

So, it's Yaksha prashna on Monday, and I assume that on Tuesday, except for Yudi & Panchali, all the other Pandavas will leave so as to complete their prescribed assignments.

And on Wednesday, we will have the Durvasa incident...

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Ashwini_D



4) If I am not wrong, even the epic has some evidence stating that the war did more harm than good. If I look at the epic, leaving aside all religious and divine elements, Krishna becomes just another character like the others. As soon as we bring down Krishna from this divine pedestal, the entire perspective of looking at the epic and the war changes. The war becomes a personal strife between two set of cousins, one fighting for their rights to the throne, which were unfairly taken away from them by the other side. So isn't the war what it is: a personal war? And not a war for the greater good? It is only Krishna's Godhood, which is a matter of faith, that lends credibility to the latter, which in my opinion is no credibility at all. We should not accept things, just because they have been sanctioned by religion.



Even when we include Krishna as God in the situation, no one was painted black and white in MB, specially during war.
Infact it repeatedly seeks to show how such a war makes savages out of most decent fellow.

It shows how everyone broke the moral ethical code over and over again from both sides.
After Dhristadyumna fell Drona, the pandava camp broke into bitter quarrel among each other over the ethics of the entire process, with the ever united brothers pandavas , bheem and yudi siding against arjun , Dhristadyumn against satyaki.

The whole Kurukhestra war just shows us the message that war is not an answer to the problem, It begets more problem. But sometimes it is unavoidable.


Now if we do not assume Krishna to be God but the genius politicial mastermind that he was ( which I do very often while analysing MB, its really interesting), still the MB war was not just cousins fighting against cousins.

First off, the demand to return their half of Kingdom( IP) from the Pandavas were valid. It was their hard work that turned the barren land into IP, and they were tricked to give it up. Even so they waited patiently as per the terms and then only formally lodge a complaint. When the opponents did not bulge did they go for war.

Krishna himself played the messenger between two sides, going as far as only demanding 5 villages from Kauravas.
But there is only to an extent you can compromise.
If you do more, you will only end up being oppressed more.
And History is full of such evidence.
At some point, people will rise up and revolt and resist.


You are right though, no body fought the war for selfless motivation. Even krishna, who sacrificed his family and fellow yadavas had this ambition to create a unified India, which was not possible the usual way in the bitter feuding country, separated into small countries.
War has always been needed to join lands in peace. Human Nature does not like to share , unless some greater, stronger personality overcomes it.


That aside there are always personal scores to settle in any war (Even the world wars alliances were forged based on personal scores and less on any principle).

Satyaki and Bhoorishrava for example revived old animosity.
So did bhagdutt when he joined the side against Krishna.

But the whole war, no one actually utters for greater Good word.

There is no such thing as greater good.

If MB wanted to preach how awesomely white pandavas and how awesomely black kauravas are, all pandava children would not be killed.

MB war , with Krishna as God or not , rather explains why a war should not be fought, why we should not be so much greedy, why we should stop ourselves asking for revenge, personal glory, money after a certain point.


But it is not like human kind ever listens.

MB war can be called the zeroth world war.

And after that we already had 2 full fledged world war, which were also fought "For Greater Good" as preached from war manifesto.




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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: LeadNitrate




You are right though, no body fought the war for selfless motivation. Even krishna, who sacrificed his family and fellow yadavas had this ambition to create a unified India, which was not possible the usual way in the bitter feuding country, separated into small countries.
War has always been needed to join lands in peace. Human Nature does not like to share , unless some greater, stronger personality overcomes it.


That aside there are always personal scores to settle in any war (Even the world wars alliances were forged based on personal scores and less on any principle).

Satyaki and Bhoorishrava for example revived old animosity.
So did bhagdutt when he joined the side against Krishna.

But the whole war, no one actually utters for greater Good word.

There is no such thing as greater good.

If MB wanted to preach how awesomely white pandavas and how awesomely black kauravas are, all pandava children would not be killed.

MB war , with Krishna as God or not , rather explains why a war should not be fought, why we should not be so much greedy, why we should stop ourselves asking for revenge, personal glory, money after a certain point.


But it is not like human kind ever listens.

MB war can be called the zeroth world war.

And after that we already had 2 full fledged world war, which were also fought "For Greater Good" as preached from war manifesto.





Exactly. That's the message of the Kurukshetra war. I was just pointing out how the arguments that the war was for the 'greater good of mankind', 'it reduced earth's burden by cleansing it of adharmi kings' (which even this show promotes) can be proved invalid. As you pointed out 'the greater good' is never crystal clear. Stamp of religious authority can never make it so either.

My point is the war should be viewed as a personal war for justice and not be extrapolated into something which achieved the greater god for mankind.(something which SP is supporting).

I've opened a new thread to discuss this:


Edited by Ashwini_D - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Ashwini_D


Exactly. That's the message of the Kurukshetra war. I was just pointing out how the arguments that the war was for the 'greater good of mankind', 'it reduced earth's burden by cleansing it of adharmi kings' (which even this show promotes) can be proved invalid. As you pointed out 'the greater good' is never crystal clear. Stamp of religious authority can never make it so either.

My point is the war should be viewed as a personal war for justice and not be extrapolated into something which achieved the greater god for mankind.(something which SP is supporting).

I've opened a new thread to discuss this:



I just finished reading Mahabharata by Ramesh Menon. He refenreces from KMG and he mentions the war was the Dark Lords great plan for greater good.
I guess the idea of greater good, to rid the world of the evil by violent bloodbath, to create a united , storng India instead of the small factions , has been added pretty early on to the MB texts.

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