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Posted: 11 years ago
@Shani -- WHY are you quoting me? Am I a CV? I just said: THIS is what some versions say; THIS is what some FB and twitter and G+ posts say.
Therefore if we put all of THAT together, there may be THESE scenes. it is all SPECULATION
If they show NOTHING after VH and show all 5 hiding in some corner not wanting to show DPadi their face then THAT will piss me off. So I guess CVs cannot win😆
As for the Mallu/Tamil promo then THAT is during vanvaas--I don't think DPadi lets any of them forget her humiliation EVER. comforting/pacifying does not mean--forget your humiliation.
I don't think I deserve the long speech you just wrote to me, thank you very much😭.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Gossipgirl:That is what we are trying to decipher how did Shakuni cheat ?Even i read several places he cheated but exactly how?

Even in the above excerpts its just said he cheated or used foul methods but what exactly what were these foul methods?

Is it like what Diala said that shakuni knew the tact of getting the numbers which is why its considered as cheating or may be that yudi wasn't aware of how skilled shakuni is that is why its considered cheating?



You are right. It is important to know how Shakuni cheated to understand whether he was a fraud or not. The reason being that Yudisthir, ashamed of losing all his belongings to dice, then took lessons on how to play dice. That shows that it was not just luck that was involved, but skill as well, which could be acquired. And those who are familiar with probability would know that with the help of the rules of probability one can strategise and win. This does not involve using biased dice, where only some desired numbers/values are made to occur. But as we learn later in the epic, dice was a game which had to mastered and was not purely based on luck. So Shakuni could not have cheated by using biased dice, he just knew the tricks of the trade better than Yudisthir, which was perhaps seen as cheating.

EDIT: I just read the excerpts from the text that people have posted. I think we can fairly arrive at the conclusion that Shakuni won by a combination of deceit and expertise at the game. And a large part of the cheating was perhaps that Shakuni had an unfair advantage over Yudisthir, and was adept at tweaking the rules of the game to his favour. (IMO)

And I'm not trying to absolve Shakuni of his wrongdoings. As far as I know, a game of dice was the most un-kshatriya way of winning over somebody's kingdom at that time.So the Kauravas, headed by Shakuni, are the actual culprits over here. And to top it, Duryodhan did not even play the game himself, which Yudi objected to, but did not press against.Nor do I believe Yudi consciously did all the things he did. Just as is the case with so many of the MB characters, he had probably no idea of the repercussions of his actions and the fallout of the dice game debacle. I had read that he had vowed, that he would not refuse anything to others as much as possible to avoid conflict, as he had been warned of prophecies about an impending war.
Edited by ashwi_d - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Pre planned ...? Really lol. And Shakuni and Dusgasan are surprised??? So they are better people than duryodhan ?????
They are making Duryodhan more wicked then he was

But at least it's not as boring as it had become in between
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ashwi_d


You are right. It is important to know how Shakuni cheated to understand whether he was a fraud or not. The reason being that Yudisthir, ashamed of losing all his belongings to dice, then took lessons on how to play dice. That shows that it was not just luck that was involved, but skill as well, which could be acquired. And those who are familiar with probability would know that with the help of the rules of probability one can strategise and win. This does not involve using biased dice, where only some desired numbers/values are made to occur. But as we learn later in the epic, dice was a game which had to mastered and was not purely based on luck. So Shakuni could not have cheated by using biased dice, he just knew the tricks of the trade better than Yudisthir, which was perhaps seen as cheating.


But I have heard he had dice which worked to will. He had made them from his father's bones and made them sidh so that they showed numbers that he wanted

Off course I haven't read mahabharat so I can't really be sure on it

But I have read srimad bhagwatam in which cheating is mentioned but how is not mentioned
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Posted: 11 years ago
@Nandini -- It is said that Shakuni cheated and used foul methods in the MB and the Srimad Bhagwatam.
It is CURIOUS that there is eagerness to put all the blame on Yudi and absolve Shakuni of his deceit that even when the KMG version says foul methods and loaded dice (forget the RM version or the critical edition)that too is questioned.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I agree Shakuni was evil and he used evil methods to harm pandavas all his life. Starting with kheer and lakshagrih, I doubt if he can be absolved of his crimes

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Posted: 11 years ago
Everyone I just got a garamagaram news!😊 Shaheer Sheikh who plays Arjun, cried during the shooting of vastraharan!😭 Everyone in the set wfelt sad for her in real life!
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Posted: 11 years ago
What are you all discussing about? i am left back in following the posts!😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ashwi_d

You are right. It is important to know how Shakuni cheated to understand whether he was a fraud or not. The reason being that Yudisthir, ashamed of losing all his belongings to dice, then took lessons on how to play dice. That shows that it was not just luck that was involved, but skill as well, which could be acquired. And those who are familiar with probability would know that with the help of the rules of probability one can strategise and win. This does not involve using biased dice, where only some desired numbers/values are made to occur. But as we learn later in the epic, dice was a game which had to mastered and was not purely based on luck. So Shakuni could not have cheated by using biased dice, he just knew the tricks of the trade better than Yudisthir, which was perhaps seen as cheating.

KMG does not say anything about the dice being loaded.. I too think, strategically bringing in the desired number is considered cheating.. but may be not by all.. this should be why the game was not called off to be void as Shakuni cheated..
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Posted: 11 years ago
It was a really cryworthi incident , the demise of all morality

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