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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 11 years ago

#461

I adopted the name Vrish from 2 sources:

Vrisha (Karna himself), Vrishasena & Vrishaketu, his sons
Vrishni - the Yadava clan that Krishna belonged to

Vrish was common to both names.

No, I'm neutral. Actually, Karna/Aham can have all of you, and throw a party. All he needs to do as far as I go is host me & provide plenty of barbecue ribs & booze 😈😆

Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago

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Rumjhum Laha

@Patrarekha

Sparkler

+ 3

Posted: 11 years ago

#462

i am seeing there are many bengalis among karna fans don't know the reason

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 11 years ago

#463

B'cos Karna's kingdom was Anga?

Incidentally, the discussion we had in another thread a few days ago - while reading Shanti parva, I learnt that Champa was separate from Anga, and something given to Karna by Jarasandha. In other words, while Karna got Anga from Duryodhan, he got Malini/Champa from Jarasandha

"Narada said, 'Hearing of the fame of Karna's might, the ruler of the Magadhas, king Jarasandha, challenged him to a single combat. Both conversant with the celestial weapons, a fierce battle took place between them in which they struck each other with diverse kinds of arms. At last when their arrows were exhausted and bows and swords were broken and they both became carless, they began, possessed of might as they were, to fight with bare arms. While engaged with him in mortal combat with bare arms, Karna was about to sever the two portions of his antagonist's body that had been united together by Jara. The king (of Magadha), then after feeling himself very much pained, cast off all desire of hostility and addressed Karna, saying, 'I am gratified.' From friendship he then gave unto Karna the town Malini. Before this, that tiger among men and subjugator of all foes (viz., Karna) had been king of the Angas only, but from that time the grinder of hostile forces began to rule over Champa also, agreeably to the wishes of Duryodhana, as thou knowest.

Proof that Champa (in Bihar) and Anga (north Bengal) were different. I have a suspicion that Karna Suvarna was either Karna's very capital, or a city he founded - one of the 2.

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Apu

@butterturnips

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#464

There are many Marathi, Oriya, Gujarati, Bihari & Tamilian fans of Karna as well. And what's the problem if they are more Bengali fans of Karna?

and in this forum I found hardly 3-4 Bengali fans of Karna - Panchaali, Sayanee & Mimi..

Edited by candidfrisky - 11 years ago

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 11 years ago

#465

I think she was just commenting on the coincidence, rather than objecting or anything

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Rumjhum Laha

@Patrarekha

Sparkler

+ 3

Posted: 11 years ago

#466

karna subarna is in modern day murshidabad , i would love to take this idea of karna founded the city but murshidabad was not part of anga , maldaha and dinajpur were

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Apu

@butterturnips

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#467

Oh..ohk ok.. Hmm its a coincidence you can say! 😊

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Diala D

@...Diala...

Sparkler

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Posted: 11 years ago

#468

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Also, it would seem that the lower castes married younger, so Karna too may have married when he was in his late teens. So that his son Sudarman, if eldest, would have been about Pradhyumna's age, and therefore old enough to attend that swayamvara.

One thing strange - if one looks at the guest list in the swayamvara - a lot of princes who were thought to be kids during the war, like Virata's sons Uttar or Shankha - were also there @ that swayamvara. If that were the case, they'd have been fully grown by the time of the war.

But back to Karna - he'd have had his sons really early, unlike the Pandavas, who had them really late.

I very much agree that all these are assumption.. I could not think of more than 7-8 years difference.. few points I thought of..

I did not find any name 'Sudaman' in the entire MB.. also it says Vr'sena was the eldest which contradicts the Swayamvar sub-story
If Karna married so so early then his sons and his grandsons also would have done that and at that rate he should have had great-grandsons by the time of war but he did not..
He had grandsons as he says but they did not fight in the war so they should be kids..
When Pandu was cursed, he had spent 30 days with his wives so there is no big big gap between wedding Kunti, wedding Madri, and getting cursed. Also how long would Digvijaya take? few months right? I don't think Karna took much time

Though we don't know when Kunti begot Karna or when she married Pandu or when she begot Yudi, 12-16-18 seems to be a fair enough frequency to assume.

Abt swayamvar, I have doubts if all or them were participants or guest.. I remember Shalya mama and Jayadratha in the name of contenders that Drishi listed but was Uttarakumar also there 😲..

Edited by ...Diala... - 11 years ago