Strange Narrations in Mahabharata!

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There are certain narrations in Mahabharata, that defies any rational explanations. Some examples :

Involvement of Nature Elements

1) River Ganga was the wife of Shantanu and mother of Bhishma.

Was she really River Ganga or any lady(Princess/Queen) named Ganga!?


2) All the sons of Pandu were the products of the main elements of nature.
From Kunti :
- Karna was the son of Surya (the Sun)
- Yudhisthir of Dharma ( Truth)
- Bhima of Vaayu (Air)
- Arjun of Indra and

From Maadri :

- Nakul and sahdeva from Ashinikumars.

Were they really nature elements or some men disguised under those names.How can nature elements make human physical relations and produce human children!?

3) Presence of Indra in many episodes of Mahabharat,Arjun visiting Indra's place.Indra taking Karna's Kavacha Kundala.


Who's Indra?Was he a Human!?

4) Reference of 100 sons,10,000sons,1,00,000 sons,16,000 wives,1,00,000 maids...having only sons in great numbers and each man having number of women giving birth only to sons...

How come they didn't beget any girls as offsprings!?If everyone had sons and only grandsons,how did each man have many women for his own!?

5) Birth of Pandavas took place in 5 consecutive years!

How on earth is this possible!?

6) The narration of the birth of Kauravas from a mass of flesh outside the womb of a woman.

Aliens in Mahabharat!?

Mention of Devas, Asuras, Gandharvas, Yakshas, Rakshasas, Pisachas, Kinnaras, Kimpurushas, Vanaras, Nagas, Suparnas, Vidyadharas, Valkhilyas, Siddhas and Charanas.Devas were further classified into Vasus, Rudras, Maruts, Sadhyas and Adityas. Asuras were similarly divided into Daityas, Danavas, Kalakeyas etc. Among the Daityas were a group called the Nivata Kavachas.

If they were non-humans and not even animals,how they existed on earth!?How their presence was felt!?


- Salwa's attack of the city of Dwaraka in a flying city named Saubha.

Did ordinary kings have such powers!?

- Reference to great explosions and destruction of many lives!?The narration about the after effects of such weapons!?

So are we seeing the effect of those hazards?Did they influence the health of our ancestors?But our ancestors lived in great harmonious environment and had excellent health!Right!?


Though some seem to be interesting,many have been greatly exaggerated!!

What is the explanation that can be given to these strange narrations? Can we say that the ancient authors of Mahabharata imagined all these?

What do you think of such depictions in Epics like Mahabharat!?

References - [Mahabharat by Ved Vyas Sambhava Parva,Section XCVII]

Mahabharat Ved Vyasa-Sambhava Parva,Section CXXIV]

[Mahabharat Ved Vyas Adi Parva]

[Mahabharat -Ved Vyas Udyoga,Bhishma,Drona,Shalya,Sauptika Parvas]
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Cool-n-Fresh


There are certain narrations in Mahabharata, that defies any rational explanations. Some examples :

Involvement of Nature Elements

1) River Ganga was the wife of Shantanu and mother of Bhishma.

Was she really River Ganga or any lady(Princess/Queen) named Ganga!?


Methinks a princess named Ganga. The real river Ganga was exclusively unmarried, although some traditions regard her as Mahadev's other wife. 🤔


2) All the sons of Pandu were the products of the main elements of nature.
From Kunti :
- Karna was the son of Surya (the Sun)
- Yudhisthir of Dharma ( Truth)
- Bhima of Vaayu (Air)
- Arjun of Indra and

From Maadri :

- Nakul and sahdeva from Ashinikumars.

Were they really nature elements or some men disguised under those names.How can nature elements make human physical relations and produce human children!?

Depends on whether one believes in the existence of the devas. If one does, they could have produced them. If not, these complications kick in.

3) Presence of Indra in many episodes of Mahabharat,Arjun visiting Indra's place.Indra taking Karna's Kavacha Kundala.


Who's Indra?Was he a Human!?

See above

4) Reference of 100 sons,10,000sons,1,00,000 sons,16,000 wives,1,00,000 maids...having only sons in great numbers and each man having number of women giving birth only to sons...

How come they didn't beget any girls as offsprings!?If everyone had sons and only grandsons,how did each man have many women for his own!?

That's not difficult. Timing. I'm not sure I can go into more details on this site.

Actually, on this, I think Vyasa exaggerates numbers... He refers to lakhs of soldiers, but he'd easily cover India's current population if one takes his numbers literally.

For instance, the number of palaces that are described as being in Dwarka - it's quite a small island, and since they're not describing skyscrapers, it's impossible to fit all the palaces within that area.

5) Birth of Pandavas took place in 5 consecutive years!

How on earth is this possible!?

Kunti was handed over YBA instantly, like she was handed Karna. She didn't go through 9 months of pregnancy - there's no way Karna could have been a secret then.

6) The narration of the birth of Kauravas from a mass of flesh outside the womb of a woman.

Aliens in Mahabharat!?

Mention of Devas, Asuras, Gandharvas, Yakshas, Rakshasas, Pisachas, Kinnaras, Kimpurushas, Vanaras, Nagas, Suparnas, Vidyadharas, Valkhilyas, Siddhas and Charanas.Devas were further classified into Vasus, Rudras, Maruts, Sadhyas and Adityas. Asuras were similarly divided into Daityas, Danavas, Kalakeyas etc. Among the Daityas were a group called the Nivata Kavachas.

If they were non-humans and not even animals,how they existed on earth!?How their presence was felt!?

They weren't aliens - they've been described as various tribes that existed in the sub-continent. Similarly, references to 'world' imply just the sub-continent, maybe reaching up to the Caspian sea. Note that Yavanas/Mlechas were foreigners - people from outside who didn't follow Vedic norms.


- Salwa's attack of the city of Dwaraka in a flying city named Saubha.

Did ordinary kings have such powers!?

He did penances to Mahadev and got all that. Or one can ask - did Mahadev, Brahma or Narayan so easily appear b4 people in that era?

- Reference to great explosions and destruction of many lives!?The narration about the after effects of such weapons!?

So are we seeing the effect of those hazards?Did they influence the health of our ancestors?But our ancestors lived in great harmonious environment and had excellent health!Right!?


Though some seem to be interesting,many have been greatly exaggerated!!

What is the explanation that can be given to these strange narrations? Can we say that the ancient authors of Mahabharata imagined all these?

What do you think of such depictions in Epics like Mahabharat!?

In Dr RC Majumdar's 'Vedic Age', the Mahabharata has been used to describe the events, while sanitizing it i.e. removing all references to miracles and so on, and just describing the historical events, like the Pandava Rajasuya yagna, the war, Karna's history and so on. They can't include miracles in a historical narrative.

References - [Mahabharat by Ved Vyas Sambhava Parva,Section XCVII]

Mahabharat Ved Vyasa-Sambhava Parva,Section CXXIV]

[Mahabharat Ved Vyas Adi Parva]

[Mahabharat -Ved Vyas Udyoga,Bhishma,Drona,Shalya,Sauptika Parvas]

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Duh!! that why its Mythology and not History.
zues, of Greek Mytho or Indra on hindu Mytho.
natural elements or real people does not really matter.

does the God you really worship presently really exist??????
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mythology doesn't mean fictional, as you seem to imply. It means something that may or may not have happened. Both the epics - Ramayan & Mahabharata - have been the basis of historians writing about that era.

Like to take Western equivalents, events like the Trojan War, or King Arthur, or the Norse gods - no one can dismiss them as totally fictional, since nobody really knows what did or didn't happen in that era. So the tag 'mythological' for all of these means that the events are a possible basis for actual history, but not necessarily all of it. For instance, things like Hanuman carrying the Dronagiri mountain to Lanka & back, or Arjun going to heaven and then returning - none of those would be part of a historical narrative.
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River Ganga is regarded as Ganga Maiyya(Mother River) since eons.It is mentioned in the Puranas, Rivers are like mother and mountains like the father.Devas do have a form,elemental form.This reference of Devas existence with human bodies is troubling their originality.So Devas,Gandharvas etc. were tribes!And Kunti was given children instantly!?Unaware of these.Thank You.Invoking God for fulfilling wishes doesn't bring him to people,though the wishes get fulfilled by his grace,depending on their own merit/earn.Only pure souls can acheive this rare feat according to scriptures.

Dr.RC Majumdar's Vedic Age sounds interesting!Where can I find it!?
Actually day before yesterday I've planned to sieve out such instances by reading the epic from top to bottom.Glad it was done long back!😆
Edited by Cool-n-Fresh - 11 years ago
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MB is not interesting if we worry too much about logics.. Also, I am not brainy enough to read between lines and understand MB.. 😆.. however I will tell you what I know.. skipped few..

Ganga:

It is said that she assumed the form of a woman to marry Shantanu. And reformed to the river after she handed over Devavrata to him.

Natural Elements - Fathers of Pandavas:

May be they too had the power to take human forms like Ganga did.

Who is Indra?


What I know is, Indra is not a man but a Title. I have heard that once Rama says to Hanuman that he will make him Indra in future.. But the Indra who comes all along the MB seems to be the Indra who fathered Arjuna.. Same with Vyasa which is also a title not name.. not every Vyasa we know is the son of Satyavati..

Sons and Daughters

They might have given birth to girls as well. But they are not mentioned anywhere unless they played any role in the narration.

Birth of Pandavas took place in 5 consecutive years! How on earth is this possible!?

I don't understand. Do you ask this question because Nakula-Sahadeva were twins? or for other reasons?

Birth of Kauravas

This might have been possible if the required environment is set up.
Edited by ...Diala... - 11 years ago
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Very informative. Nice questions and answers by Vrish, Diala. I agree that its interesting study of human behaviour at the core and should be taken in that light. But thanks for pointing out inconsistencies, incongruities.
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The way I understand it is - Surya Dev doesn't mean the star Sun itself, rather it means - the Devta (demi-God) that controls the star Sun. Same for Chandra Dev. Chandra Dev in Mahadev show was shown to be living in a palace with his queens and when Chandra Dev got sick and weak, the satellite Moon was show to become dim too. So the demi-God Chandra Dev was the one that controlled the satellite Moon.

Indra himself was a demi-God - king of all other demi-Gods.
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Its mythology, which is a part of Classics - that also includes legends, fairytales, folklores and heroism. By definition its full of fantasy elements. To ask 'How is it possible?' itself is imprudent. Of course, sun and moon and other elements of nature are not perceived as gods by us, but to ancient people they were actual gods with a human like appearance, capable of giving birth to children and performing all sorts of feats, so to a 300 BCE audience its no big deal to digest such stories. The same goes for fantasy creatures like gandharvas, nagas, giants, demons etc or the magical weapons and vehicles. You need to see things from the perspective of the time and society that produced the texts rather than the ones of Information age.

One little thing,
as far as I know, demi-gods are humans whose one parent is a god or goddess. So Surya, Indra etc were not demi-gods; they were very much gods in their own right. Their human offsprings like Pandavas, Karna, Bhishma etc were demi-gods as were Hercules and Perseus.
Edited by Rehanism - 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Cool-n-Fresh


There are certain narrations in Mahabharata, that defies any rational explanations. Some examples :


5) Birth of Pandavas took place in 5 consecutive years!

How on earth is this possible!?


What is the explanation that can be given to these strange narrations? Can we say that the ancient authors of Mahabharata imagined all these?

What do you think of such depictions in Epics like Mahabharat!?




This is possible, It happens at present time also...I personally know siblings who are only 1 year apart

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