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bobbiswas

@bobbiswas

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Posted: 11 years ago

This article is about Real Arjuna of Mahabharata and not the person playing his role in the TV serial.

From Kurukshetra war we see:-

Arjuna had Gandiva, which is an unbreakable bow. A charriot whose horses were of super power and never gets tired

His Sarathi was Krishna

He possess all divine weapons much much more than others, but didn't used any of them actually 😛

With all these gifted stuff still

- Arjuna had to use Shikhandi to defeat Bheeshma

- Krishna had to save him from Bhagbadatta's Vhishnu Astra

- Day1 of his final battle with Karna he was defeated and Karna left him alive because of following rules of sunset

- Day 2 his war with Karna, Krishna again saved him from Nagashtra by pushing his charriot down by 4 feet under

- Finally Arjuna killed Karna by unfair means

- For Jayadratha also Krishna has used his mayajaal to cover sun to fake sunset and then he killed Jayadratha

There was not a single battle won using his own skill in the final war ... but this same person did beaten entire Kuru Sena including Karna during Virat war with Uttar (no Krishna). He did the same during Panchal war during Draupadi and also defeated Dhrupad at his first war for Drona.

Also he killed so many asuras during his Indralok visit as well as defeated Lord Indra also during Khandavprashtha ... SO EAXCTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM DURING KURUKHETRA???

Was he over hyped as greatest etc etc and he forgot using his weapons!!! He was not fighting from his heart as he was fighting with his relatives (why then against his war with Karna he got badly defeated)!!! Why didn't he used Pashpat Ashtra and other divine weapons he has whereas Kauravas used so many against Pandavas - Shakti (Karna killed Ghatotkacha with this, which he kept for Arjuna), Vishnu Ashtra, Brambhastra and other divine weapons by Drona, Narayan Ashtra by Vishwathama, Nagashtra and other so many ...

There must be some hidden reason behind this. Mostly it was like forcing him for the war and not at his will. He was just a morderate warrior with all divine weapons and special helps in Kurukhetra ...

Any comments !!!

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Nripendra

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Posted: 11 years ago

Sachhi,...Its a matter to think abt it...so confusing epic...

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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

Arjuna - vs- Bhishma

Defeating Bhishma was different from actually killing or mortally wounding him.

In the MB war, Arjuna did defeat Bhishma several times- but could not come close to fatally wounding him. Reason-

Bhishma himself was a n archer par excellence and could parry Arjuna's thrusts.
As per the rules of the war, when a warrior was tired, disarmed of all his weapons, wounded, the charioteer could turn around and take the warrior away from the battlefield.

This was what happened on each of the first ten days. Every time Bhishma was pushed on the backfoot or found himself at a disadvantage (either wounded or devoid of weapons), his charioteer would speed him away from the battlefield only to re - enter after being refreshed.

In such a case, how was it possible to kill such a warrior?

Bhishma and the other top commanders had this luxury because the Kaurava army, simply, had more generals. If one retired or left the battlefield, someone else would step in.

OTOH, the responsibility of the Pandava attack was on Arjuna / Bhima / Satyaki and hence they could not enjoy a similar luxury.

Wounded or not, tired or not, they could not afford to leave the battlefield because there was no one to step into their shoes and stall the Kaurava attack till their return.

Arjuna and the Vaishnavastra / Nagastra

Krishna did not "save" Arjuna from these astras. He was only doing his duty. It was the duty of the sarathy to safe guard his master at all costs. That was what Krishna did.

The only advantage that Arjuna had (with Krishna as a sarathy) was that Krishna, being a champion warrior himself recognized the two astras, the moment it left the opponent's bow.

An ordinary sarathy would not have known the nature of these astras and would have been left blinking... But Krishna recognized the Vaishnavastra and knew that it could not harm him. Hence he intercepted it by standing up.

The same with the Nagastra. Krishna pushed the horses onto their knees, so that the astra brushed off Arjuna's helmet. That was a part and parcel of a sarathy's duties. Krishna just happened to an extraordinarily talented sarathy.

But I too wish Arjuna had slain Jayadrath and Karna in a fair fight. That's something I am still unable to comprehend.

Edited by varaali - 11 years ago

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Atiratha2.0

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Posted: 11 years ago

With Karna, since Arjuna has no doubt fighting him (he didn't know yet he was his brother), maybe the only reason is stamina.
Karna just joint the war since 11th day, while Arjun we all know he never absent from the war :) but Karna was at least (could be more) 5 yrs older than Arjun.
On the other hand maybe Karna was very determined to defeat Arjun, while in their previous 2 encounters Arjun didn't show his true identity (maybe Karna is a type of person which easily got nervous upon seeing a brahmin or a woman could match his skill)

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TheWatcher

@TheWatcher

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Posted: 11 years ago

If the fight would have been fair there is no way Pandavas could have won the war , Each of the three commanders of Kauravas are enough for arjuna.

Bhishma and Drona had their one weakness or curse which was exploited by Krishna.

It is said only KARNA in the Kaurav's side had the WILL and SKILL to kill the pandavas (Bhishma and Drona did not have the true WILL because of their love for Arjuna and Pandavas.)

It took 6 people to defeat Karna ( Parshurama,Kunti,Indra,TheBrahmin,Shalya and Shri Krishna himself ) Arjuna just stabbed a dieing snake.

But Karna was fighting for adharma so he had to loose no matter how skillful he was.

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PAYEL DEY

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: bobbiswas
This article is about Real Arjuna of Mahabharata and not the person playing his role in the TV serial.

From Kurukshetra war we see:-

Arjuna had Gandiva, which is an unbreakable bow. A charriot whose horses were of super power and never gets tired

His Sarathi was Krishna

He possess all divine weapons much much more than others, but didn't used any of them actually 😛

With all these gifted stuff still

- Arjuna had to use Shikhandi to defeat Bheeshma

- Krishna had to save him from Bhagbadatta's Vhishnu Astra

- Day1 of his final battle with Karna he was defeated and Karna left him alive because of following rules of sunset

- Day 2 his war with Karna, Krishna again saved him from Nagashtra by pushing his charriot down by 4 feet under

- Finally Arjuna killed Karna by unfair means

- For Jayadratha also Krishna has used his mayajaal to cover sun to fake sunset and then he killed Jayadratha

There was not a single battle won using his own skill in the final war ... but this same person did beaten entire Kuru Sena including Karna during Virat war with Uttar (no Krishna). He did the same during Panchal war during Draupadi and also defeated Dhrupad at his first war for Drona.

Also he killed so many asuras during his Indralok visit as well as defeated Lord Indra also during Khandavprashtha ... SO EAXCTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM DURING KURUKHETRA???

Was he over hyped as greatest etc etc and he forgot using his weapons!!! He was not fighting from his heart as he was fighting with his relatives (why then against his war with Karna he got badly defeated)!!! Why didn't he used Pashpat Ashtra and other divine weapons he has whereas Kauravas used so many against Pandavas - Shakti (Karna killed Ghatotkacha with this, which he kept for Arjuna), Vishnu Ashtra, Brambhastra and other divine weapons by Drona, Narayan Ashtra by Vishwathama, Nagashtra and other so many ...

There must be some hidden reason behind this. Mostly it was like forcing him for the war and not at his will. He was just a morderate warrior with all divine weapons and special helps in Kurukhetra ...

Any comments !!!

u forgot to mention abt Karna's suraksha kawach which was gifted by surya dev,that suyraksha kawach always worked as an advantage 4 karna and also it protected karna many times...but unfortunately arjun was not so lucky like karna,whatever he did he did by his own...lord krishna only adviced him what to do,the real action was performed by arjuna himself...and whatever he did with karna in the battlefield was cent percent right..."adharmio ke saath adharm hi karna chahiye"...karna did adharm many times 4 supporting duryodhan,whats the big deal if arjuna did that once that also 4 establishing dharm...

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Medha.S

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Posted: 11 years ago

This is kind of irrelevant question ... aise questions ki to taal lag jayegi ... kyu hu tha? kyu nahi hua tha?

AAj tak i couldnt understand that Krishna aaye to Adharma ka naash karne ke liye to Why didnt he fight in the kurukshetrea war?

He was a capable warrior who showed so much ability and was considered a god head in those times when Vishnu worship was rapidly increasing all around ... ???

To war ke time unhe kya ho gaya? Kya chal raha tha unke dimaag me? He killed so many Asuras and achieved great feats. so what happened?

He could could have just send everyone on the side of the Pandavas (Around 7 million) back to party and enjoy their lives ... and just march into the Kurukshetra War and off the whole lot of Duryodhanas soldiers (11 or 12 millions) on the side of Adharma with his godly weapons ... one man army and all ... murdering the whole army of "Adharma" with a calm smile on His face...

He was a cool dude, had the greatest of weapons , their description sounds like they were nuclear missiles ...

The whole Kauravas armies down ... The Kurukshetra war over in two hours ... or two minutes ... depending on how great you think He was.

Itna zaada Drama karne ki kya zaroorat thi inko??

And i dont get it ... In the whole MB, Karna kept saying that wo Arjuna ko awayie awayie hara sakta hai, that Arjuna is not even the 16th part of him ... that ten thousands of Krishnas and Arjuna together cant defeat him, to phir usko ho kya jaata tha?

In Matsya war,Arjuna removed his bracelets and wore his war gloves, his ape banner and The thunderous sound that Gandiva made, confirmed to the Kuru Army that it was Arjuna ... ab to Karna ke paas koi bahana bhi nahi tha ki "mujhe to laga ye koi brahman hai"

Phir bhi kuch kyu nahi kar paaye saare Maharathi and Arjuna ki itni himmat kaise ho gayi ki wo insabke bodies par se Clothes nikal kar le gaya Apni students ko dene ke liye jo usse "Nritya or Sangeet" sikhte the???

Aur Bheeshma ko maarne ka vardaan amba ko kyu mila jab Bhishma ko already vardaan mila hua tha ki wo sirf apni marzi se hi marenge? ye kaha ka sense bana?

Aur jab Maarna hi tha unko to Krishna Ji ne itna bada Script kyu likha ... Bhishma ko Off karne me Bhagwaan ko kitna time lagta ... nahi par inko to Shakespearean Style Script banana tha ...

Bechari Amba ne kaha i want to be a man, so that she can become a warrior eho will kill Bheeshma ... Shiv ji ne kah diya " So be it"? par paida hui ladki bankar? Phir itni saare bazetti?

Kisi se gender exchange karke agar Man ban bhi gayi to bhi log use " NaMan" ke tarah hi treat karte rahe. ... poor girl ... i mean man .. jo bhi hai .. whatever.

Koi kehta hai " Tum ladka ho" aur koi kehta hai "Tum ladki ho"

Jo bach gaye wo kehte hai " Tum na ladka ho na ladki"

Bechari ke gender ka kabada kar diya ... kis liye?

Bheeshma ko marne ke liye?

Aur thoda complicated or dramatic kar dete ...

Ye Mahabharat seriously hai kya?? ... uper waala hi jaane

Edited by medha00 - 11 years ago

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Posted: 11 years ago

@medha...gurudev...u creaked me 🤣

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merrydock

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Posted: 11 years ago

like thewatcher said, Karna was fighting for adarma.

isint that what the Baghvatgita is about do you duty and dont think about the consequences.

if the Pandavas had not used some unfair means. the Kauravas could have definitely defeated them by using only unfair means.

the Pavandas only used the unfair means due to Lord Krishna insistence and guidance. right?

and Krishan is/was God. and what God says is right how can any man question? then and even today.

like the bible any religious book have their illogical aspects, that facilitate us like our saas bahu serials.

this is the Mahabharat we are talking about. i dont think the all the people Pandavs ,Kauravs at that time really understood what was happening and why. then how can we 4000 year later.????

bus dhikne me accha lagta hai. the sets are fabulous and the Guys are HOT. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST WATCH AND ENJOY THE SERIAL