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Posted: 11 years ago
What on earth are yall praising? Just watched the episode, and it was as ghastly as the rest!!! Today, in addition to Drupada & Dhrishtadyumna, they managed to malign Krishna as well! Congratulations, Starjuna CVs.

First of all, Krishna going b4 Draupadi and accusing her of stealing Kampilya clothes & jewelry, and claiming it all his. Then he drives his own chariot towards Kampilya.

I thought that in Starjuna, Drona's dream was to make Ashwatthama a king. In which case, why would he bother offering to return the kingdom Ashwatthama was ruling, when in fact, the real Drona did nothing of the sort? And then Drupada asking Dhrishtadyumna to kill him then & there?

Krishna saving Drona from Dhrishtadyumna reminds me of an episode in KHMK where Krishna saved Duryodhan from getting killed. But except for Sishupala, Krishna is never known to have spared anyone who went on to become a bigger menace later on. So if Drona or Duryodhan could have been killed early, Krishna would more likely than not have let it happen. Similarly, why would Krishna wipe out Drupada's army, which would be the main fighting force for the Pandavas in the war years later?

Also, this serial seems to believe a lot in asymmetric warfare. With Rukmi, Krishna used his sudarshan, while here, Krishna has introduced his Koumadaki. Incidentally, Krishna's Koumadaki looks a lot similar to Bhima's new mace. (Personally, I liked Bhima's original yellow diamond mace, and hope that at some point, he gets it back.) He uses it to knock of Dhrishtadyumna's sword, and suck in like a vacuum cleaner all the weapons of the soldiers. Shikhandini raises her sword to defend her father, but that too flies off. Finally, the mace heads towards Drupada, and Draupadi steps in front of him.

Can't Krishna use a normal bow/arrow against Drupada, and use arrows to knock off the swords of Dhrsihtadyumna & Shikhandini?

Well, Draupadi never put family ahead of dharam - which is why she was unrelenting in her hostility to Dushashan & Duryodhan. So why would she suddenly defend her father, modern bahu style, when her father was doing adharm to Shikhandini, aside from herself?

Krishna too - when on earth did he ever try to tell Drupada that what he did or was doing was wrong? Krishna knew that Drona was committed to the Kauravas, and so decided to give Drupada's unethical conduct towards Drona a pass, since the Pandavas needed all the support they could get. Similarly, Krishna & Dhrishtadyumna were on good terms - or else, why would Dhrishtadyumna send Draupadi's sons to Dwarka to be raised by Subhadra instead of by himself? Similarly, Dhrishtadyumna wasn't a monster - there was a reason that Krishna suggested that he be made the senapati of the Pandava army.

So no, the episodes of this week all deserved an 'A' - as in atrocious, and last night's was no exception. If anything, it makes a mockery of Krishna as well, rivaling DBSK in doing a caricature of him.

P.S. Language blooper, for those tracking this - if you were put off by Roopa Ganguli's Draupadi addressing her husbands as 'tum', Pooja Sharma's Draupadi does the same, but this time to Krishna, who she has met for the first time ever. 😕 Way to go, Starjuna!!!
Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
@vrish i think up until now u wud have realized using logic in spmb doesnot work. Personally i have made peace with distortions n nw i dont even compare with original story. Btw u guys really provided me much info abt mb n i am thankful for that.
I kinda liked yesterday episode bc atleast it marked an end of drupad's negativity.
@diala even i think that they are doubtful abt future of series after seeing ekta attempt. Hebce they are trying to cover later part of story beforehand.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Uff! Another nauseating episode! :(

Really, these CV's are great at hurling surprises. Today, we saw a combat between Drupad and Krishna for saving Draupadi's maan samman. Well, India is a democratic country and people have the right to interpret and present any epic in any manner but the least one would expect is consistency of the story and characters (with whatever interpretation).

Towards this the following is relevant

a) If Lord Krishna believed in dishing out instant justice when Draupadi was hurt by Drupad, why didn't he do the same thing when Draupadi was insulted massively by Duryodhan and party? Did at that time his belief in the Indian justice system of providing justice after a decade or so become strong? :P A lame duck answer to this question may be that Krishna wanted Yudhister to undergo punishment for what he did. In that case why did he make other innocent pandavas to go through this ordeal?

b) It is shown that Drona knew who Krishna Vasudev was. Even Bhishma knows. How does Drupad not know??! What type of a king Drupad is who does not have an intelligence system worth its salt to miss the news of Kansa's death at the hands of young Krishna, which the entire Aryavrat knew?

c) It is shown Drona comes back to Drupad to submit himself after having given up all his anger and intention to take revenge and having undergone total transformation of mind. How can the same Drona who nurtured his anger and revenge intention for 20 years become a saint overnight and want Drupada's friendship at any cost?? And why did this feeling vanish when he finally killed him in the Kurukshetra war??

Seriously, where is the consistency?? Whatever the interpretation might be!

Edited by DAMZLS - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: DAMZLS

Uff! Another nauseating episode! :(

Really, these CV's are great at hurling surprises. Today, we saw a combat between Drupad and Krishna for saving Draupadi's maan samman. Well, India is a democratic country and people have the right to interpret and present any epic in any manner but the least one would expect is consistency of the story and characters (with whatever interpretation).

Towards this the following is relevant

a) If Lord Krishna believed in dishing out instant justice when Draupadi was hurt by Drupad, why didn't he do the same thing when Draupadi was insulted massively by Duryodhan and party? Did at that time his belief in the Indian justice system of providing justice after a decade or so become strong? :P A lame duck answer to this question may be that Krishna wanted Yudhister to undergo punishment for what he did. In that case why did he make other innocent pandavas to go through this ordeal?

b) It is shown that Drona knew who Krishna Vasudev was. Even Bhishma knows. How does Drupad not know??! What type of a king Drupad is who does not have an intelligence system worth its salt to miss the news of Kansa's death at the hands of young Krishna, which the entire Aryavrat knew?

c) It is shown Drona comes back to Drupad to submit himself after having given up all his anger and intention to take revenge and having undergone total transformation of mind. How can the same Drona who nurtured his anger and revenge intention for 20 years become a saint overnight and want Drupada's friendship at any cost?? And why did this feeling vanish when he finally killed him in the Kurukshetra war??

Seriously, where is the consistency?? Whatever the interpretation might be!

a) the other pandavas were far from innocent IMHO. They supported Yuddhistir by keeping their silence during that tragic event. Bhim couldn't contain his rage after the matter, but during the vastra-haran or even during the dice game, I don't recall him doing anything. After the vastraharan and his horrible pratigya, I believe he said something along the lines of burning Yudhi's hands.

b) / c) CV's have a funny interpretation ... but you know the saying ... one lie leads to another ... and another ... and another... this odd interpretation shall lead to another odd interpretation ... to another odd interpretation .. and so on.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Expecting anything from the CV is worthless. Have you guys read the spoiler yet? They have changed most of the hidimb track to support Arjuna role.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Well the epi was definitely nothing great but since we have started considering this as distorted Mahabharat or to be precise Starbharat. This was just bearable!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: spatel23


b) / c) CV's have a funny interpretation ... but you know the saying ... one lie leads to another ... and another ... and another... this odd interpretation shall lead to another odd interpretation ... to another odd interpretation .. and so on.



I second this.. would be glad if they can maintain consistency among distortions.. to prove they have some brain though corrupted.. 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
just watched the episode (finally), and from what I understand this is what Krishna meant when he said the whole adharma thing.
Krishna was referring to the fact that killing someone who has come for friendship is adharma. It's not adharma to kill an unarmed person (that's cowardly), but when the person you are trying to kill is extending the hand of friendship, that's adharma. And I guess we can even take this back to the Pandavas and Kauravas. Pandavas wanted peace, Kauravas wanted war ... dharma vs. adharma?

The Kaumodaki Gada sequence was a bit odd. The Sudarshana Chakra would have fit more since it's a Chakra... it's "supposed" spin (supposed in quotes because it's the Sudarshan ... it doesn't have to spin). It would have looked much nicer too.

I also wasn't all too happy with the Krishna Vasudev name calling. Perhaps it's because I'm too used to BRC's MB (where Krishna is called Vasudev Krishna); and this is SP's way of making it different... or perhaps they were trying to adhere to the whole first name last name type of thing ... does that make Arjun ... Arjun Pandu or something?Or is it something like first name and nickname ... so something like Arjuna Dhanajaya I guess?

"Kya naam hai"
"Mein Arjun Pandu hoon aur me dustoo ka nasth karta hoon"
(my hindi is rough, go away 😉)

Finally, Draupadi. I don't get the feel of her as Draupadi for some reason. I mean Pooja Sharma has looks, talent, her costume is great, her dialogue isn't bad, but for some reason ... you know .. I think it's the hair. I don't like her hair style... I liked her when she was first appeared and pretty much the only difference besides then and now and besides the jewelry, -- is her hair...I'm weird...

Also, the Draupad + Gada rushing towards it scene was pretty sad. Got a feel of Sishupala and the Rajasuya Yagna. Perhaps when Sishupala is going to die (if he dies), he will be rushing towards the Sudarshana (though from what I'm guessing the CVs are doing they have eliminated the Sudarshana and the Kaumodaki ... so the Panchajanya conch and the Padma is left) ... haha killing Sishupala with a lotus flower 🤣
"Go lotus flower ... sweet scent. Follow with petal dance, and end with some spinning and petal darts" (no offense to Lord Vishnu's lotus flower of course)

The serious "finally" part-- there are two things I've noticed going bad in this plot:
1) Drupad, being "defeated" by Krishna, should now harbor intense hatred for Krishna (that's sort of what happened between him and Drona per their earlier conversation) ... perhaps he will take a vow to be the reason why Krishna disappears from the material world... give birth to Jara the hunter or something?
2) Draupadi, a woman, is standing in front of Drupad, a man, in front of an incoming weapon during "war" ...
now I see two things about this particular moment

1) Draupadi is acting as a "shield" ... now this obviously can be taken as Drupad was hiding behind his shield, a woman .. to save his life... which is pretty cowardly in the Kshatriya Samaj. The only other time I can think of in Dwapur Yuga is when Krishna was fighting Bhanasura where the demigoddess Kotari (whom Bhanasura used to worship and had a mother-son relationship) stood before Krishna naked. Krishna turned his head and Bhanasura escaped, however this moment and the Draupadi-Drupad moment is very different.
2) Drupad should now have even more hatred for Draupadi because she stopped him from facing a noble death by dying while fighting.

How they all turn this into love (if that is what their goal is) ... will be quite amazing.

Okay, I lied ... one more thing -- with the whole Drona / Drupad scene, I believe Drona said that he will not raise his weapons against Drishtadyumn because he sees his son in him ... so doesn't this eliminate the Ashwatthama trick because when Drishti and Droni face each other in the war, per Drona's statement, he shall not attack Drishti... Well the good news is ... at least they won't be forced to give Arjuna credit for Drona's death ... lol .. bad news is Arjuna has to do something else that is totally opposite of what the original states...
Edited by spatel23 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ketan_jha

Expecting anything from the CV is worthless. Have you guys read the spoiler yet? They have changed most of the hidimb track to support Arjuna role.

ya they have but i am grateful that atleast they will show Bheem killing hidimb and hidimba falling for Bheem only.With these CV's we should be gratefull they are showing at least this much.Now i am just hoping that they dont show that its arjun who suggests something that helps Bheeem kill hidimb
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Posted: 11 years ago
@spatel: Krishna's name is his patronym..

Father - Vasudeva
Son - Vaasudeva

Krishna Vaasudeva means Dark Skinned Vaasudeva which is fine..

a small thing that I don't understand.. Hindi speakers usually prefer to skip the final 'half a' of Sanskrit names.. like Karna, Arjuna becoming Karn, Arjun.. Why Krishna remains the same as Sanksrit?

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