Maha-Paravkrami Karna- Vichar Vinimaya Kaksh/ DT's Nt pg 21/38/ 117

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" Karna"

Maha-Parakrami, Vijay dhari, Danveer Karna.
Jyestha Kaunteya, Shrestha Kshatriya
Vidhiya Vijayata Karna.
These are some of the names associated with him.
He was Surya putra, born with Kavach, Kundala.
Was one of the most fascinating character of Mahabharat.
This thread is dedicated to discussing about this great warrior.
Appreciating the actor Ahem Sharma as Karna, should be done in Kaurava's AT. His interaction with others too can be discussed there, as originally he was Kunti's son, though he was on Kaurava's side.
Karna's name's credit- varaali
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hello friends, this Maha-Parakrami Karna- Vichar Vinimaya Kaksh, is dedicated specially for this amazing character- Karna.
Please remember few things, while interacting here.
2) In case of any problem, use Report button instead of taking matter in your hand.
3) Use, {| Kuru Clan Actor/Character AT |}, to appreciate Ahem Sharma as Karna, post his pics, creations etc in this AT only.
Edited by mnx12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Is it possible to move some of the posts from the "tragic hero" thread here. ? Esp the first post by Nandini.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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thanks for this thread...i love this character...n its my fav from Mahabharat..😊

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: varaali

Is it possible to move some of the posts from the "tragic hero" thread here. ? Esp the first post by Nandini.

copy paste them here. Moving them will place them ahead of the 1st place as they were posted earlier.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Minakshi, thanks for opening this thread. Karna deserves a thread all his own. 👍🏼

Vaarali, the problem w/ trying to move posts is that they are chronologically ordered. So unless a post that is prior to Minakshi's post is itself a good thread opening intro to Karna, moving it here would spoil the decor of this thread.

Minakshi, so the Pandava/Krishna AT is for Aham Sharma & this thread is for Karna, or do I understand it wrong?
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I'll kick off this thread w/ a rather unique question - what sort of a KING of Anga was Karna? Was he well loved? 😆 How did his subjects regard him? In particular, how well did he compare in that role w/ Yudisthir?
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I'll kick off this thread w/ a rather unique question - what sort of a KING of Anga was Karna? Was he well loved? 😆 How did his subjects regard him? In particular, how well did he compare in that role w/ Yudisthir?


he was an excellent king and ruled well . For that matter even Duryodhan ruled well , said in the Mahabharat .
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i hope they show his friendship with Duryodhan well . Coz whatever Duryodhan was , his friendship with Karna was real . Thats the best best part of this odd bond . Although initially Duryodhan saw it as a first class opprotunity to neutralize Arjun 's growing power , later a bond developed between the two that was genuine . Duryodhan was a rebel and disregarded the caste system . When Karna told him that he was not a prince with hung head at the skills display when Duryodhan enquired about him , Duryodhan said so what , ur worthy of a million princes . Here , i make u a prince . He then bestowed the kingdom of Anga on him and coronated him then and there .

But here they will show Duryodhan making evil smirks and only using him ...thats oh so not true . They had so many good times together and were hand in glove ...he even was one of the few always invited to spend time with Duryodhan and Bhanumati in their inner chambers . Karna got along well with Duryodhan's wife and Duryodhan encouraged the friendship . He was very progressive in thoughts . Once when Bhanumati was scared that she may lose her husband in the war Karna told her that nothing would happen to Duryodhan as long as he was alive . That quietened Bhanumati 's fears . Also once he and Bhanumati were playing dice and Duryodhan entered the room and as was the norm she stood up to receive him and Karna who was so involved in the game thought she was quitting when he was winning so he pulled her down absent mindedly to seat her and in the process her upper garment slipped and her pearl necklace broke and all the pearls scattered on the floor . Karna then saw that she had got up to receive Duryodhan and he was aghast at his folly and opened his mouth to apologise profusely but Duryodhan smiled and only picked the pearls off the floor . Such was his confidence in Karna's nobility . When Krishna asked him to defect to the Pandava side he said all my life i was looked down upon for my low caste , only this man changed my life , i cannot betray him now, sorry . Duryodhan was inconsolable when he heard of Karna's death . So whatever rubbish they show , i do hope this friendship that went down in the anals of history is shown correctly .

Karna won many kingdoms and annexed them to the Hastinapur throne for Duryodhan . He went on many military conquests for Duryodhan and subjugated many kings . When he died Duryodhan cried so inconsolably that he almost swooned and was led by other kings to the war camp .

Duryodhan banked the whole Mahabharat war on Karna . He was the only one who was truly on his side and Duryodhan knew it . Bheeshma , Drona , Shalya etc were there coz they were forced to . Bheeshma even laid a condition ...that so long as he was the commander of the troops Karna must not even enter the battlefield as he would not fight alongside a man who had insulted his kul vadhu in the vastra haran . Bheeshma had his own viewpoint but can u imagine the military loss that Duryodhan faced bcoz of this condition . If Bheeshma and Karna were both there to fight for him imagine how many from Pandava side would be killed . To top it Bheeshma had sworn not to kill his grandsons , only to defeat them . Duryodhan was at his wits end . He often during the war accused Bheeshma as actually fighting for the Pandava side . But Karna opted out as he did not want Duryodhan to have any military loss due to his personal conflicts .

Karna and Bheeshma were not at all on speaking terms when the war commenced but after seeing Bheeshma's military skill and valour for 10 days Karna could not help praising it openly . Such was his maganimity . From Bheeshma's view point it can be said that he put this condition as he knew Karna's real identity as Vyasa had told him and he did not want him to fight his brothers . hope they show the Bheeshma Karna scene when Bheeshma lay dying well and not with some contrived nonsense put in .

When Bheeshma lay on the bed of arrows , many warriors went to pay their last obeisance . Karna too went . He stood at the feet and his hot tears fell on Bheeshma's feet .

Before this , they had a cold relationship . Bheeshma had always put him down . Infact Bheeshma had forbidden from him participating in the war when he was commander as he had called Draupadi a wh**e in the vastraharan . Anyone who insults my kulvadhu this way shall not fight along my side he had declared .

Karna apologised about this in his meeting . It weighed heavily on him . He had been very very angry with Draupadi's constant contempt and had lost it .

It is interesting to know that Karna addressed Bheeshma as Grandfather in this meeting and Bheeshma as grandson . Bheeshma told him that he knew of his identity long back coz Vyasa told him . Bheeshma also told him that he put him down simply to cut Duryodhan down to size .

Bheeshma told him he was one of the best archers he had seen .

Bheeshma then advised him to go to the Pandava side but Karna said it was too late , that wouldn't happen , he had made peace with his destiny .

It was an emotional meeting .

It must be noted that Bheeshma and Karna were almost not on speaking terms but when Karna saw his valour in battle he was so impressed he was full of praise . Such was his maganimity .


And i wonder how they are going to show the relationship between him and Draupadi ...it was very complicated with an undercurrent of attrraction according to many critics . In the Mahabharat she constantly looked down on him with contempt believing him trying to get above himself inspite of his lower caste and was annoyed that she , a princess , was dared to be aspired by him , who was born into a state lower than hers . But Krishna thought highly of him and made her realise her sub conscious attraction behind the annoyance .

In the Pandava brothers , strangely , Bheema insulted him more than Arjun , Arjun was more contained . Yudishtir did not insult him as he disapproved of ego .



He can be called the anti hero of the epic

if Arjun was the hero

Duryodhan the villain

Karna was the tragic anti hero .

The anti hero always has more grey in him .

But i will not be very harsh with him . Its his mother i blame the most .

If he was born of a tejasvi god

if his natural genes bubbled like volcanic lava and were not satisfied being a mere charioteer

if the craving for archery was in his genes

and yet he was cruelly condemned to lead a stifling life , puzzled at his own oddities when they were but natural reactions , unknown to him

it was more the fault of his mother who put him in a basket and sent him defenceless down the river

then he himself .

It is all very well to say all had some problem or the other but they came out shining but

not one of them led his life ...they were princes who had security as they were born into what was rightfully their state

while he was placed in a state that was lower , rather , left to DIE .

i would not feel this sympathy for him if he was a charoiteer's son and was ambitious .

But he was being true to his genes .

If Eklavya was trying for something ambitiously

Karna was giving in to natural tendencies ...he could NOT be anything else .

2 children were sent in baskets down the river

Moses

Karna .

In the story of Moses the mother did it as it was her best shot at saving her child . He would have been killed anyways by the Pharaoh's soldiers .

In the story of Karna the mother did it to save HER name from stigma . Getting a boon to preserve her virginity , she did away with the baby that was an embarassment and went on to marry and have a life when

instead of sending the innocent baby down the river she could have drowned herself in the river . She didn't do that .

All his life he battled with the caste stigma as he didn't fit in . Why he didn't fit in ? All knew it ...all . Bheeshma and Vidur knew it ...Vyasa had told them . Kunti knew it . Krishna knew it .

If he had the Sun god's tej in his blood he simply couldn't be accused of getting too big for his boots . He was adhering to the truth while others were squashing him is the story .

Where his nobility is unparalleled

in giving Indra the kavach kundalas inspite of recognising him

in telling Kunti that he will NOT be now known as a Kounteya but will always be Radheya

in acknowledging his parents at the skills display competition although recognition would be detrimental for his chances among the caste conscious pundits

in telling Kunti that her 5 sons will forever live

in leaving his brothers but making it ultimately only between him and Arjun

in refusing Krishna's ultimate temptation ...to have the glory of being the eldest Pandava and having Draupadi as his wife ...Draupadi who had only looked down on him .

All was refused by him .

There is character there .

Regarding the point ...was he really a good friend

Bheeshma too sided with Duryodhan ...does it lessen his nobility ?

Duryodhan was a king with his own firm mind . He had helped Karna who was loyal to the salt till the end though many temptations were advanced by Sri Krishna purposefully .

His loyalty even impressed Krishna .

but Krishna's purpose was achieved . He wanted to create emotional turmoil in him and he did it . He knew exactly how Karna would react , he was such an accurate judge of character.All he wanted was the emotional blackmail .

I fault him for the vastra haran behaviour where he shows his personal anger towards Draupadi ...justified or not , no woman deserves THIS . About the purposeful law breaking in Abhimanyu's case i am confused even today as ALL broke laws ...some for dharma , some for adharma ...and when breaking of rules starts , it very dangerous and ambiguous .

Arjun tried to make up for all this unfair senseless horror by caring for Karna's son Vrishketu after Karna's death . He was in Arjun's company a lot , and it is said Arjun was especially affectionate to him . He accompanied Arjun on his campaigns to annex kingdoms during Yudhishtir's Ashwamedha yagna and Arjun taught him archery personally and made him the best archer .

This is what i know .








Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 11 years ago
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My Views:

Of all characters in Mahabharat (till date), I feel emotional in Karn scenes, I will attached with him and start feeling his emotion. I don't know why.
1.Today(18th Nov 2013) even thought he argued with Gurudrone I did not feel he was doing something very wrong, but I felt he was right, Gurudrone said it was his attitude but I felt it was his dissatisfaction to not able to learn or do what he wants, the disappointment of rejection thought he was best/ good in it, the feeling of suppression by the society and helpless situation of his father and so on, and even when he lied to god Parushuram I would only feel his situation and felt bad though I knew it was not right.
I felt very bad when all his brothers are learning and karn was still in search of Guru.
I feel the actor (don't know his name) did a fantastic job and eve liked the way of taking.


Today's (25th Nov 2013) episode is completely Karn episode, where he was asking to recognise people on their ability not on caste or what his parents do. Loved all the dialogues, which was so true, even today after so many years things did not change people do the same.
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