Karna the tragic hero of Mahabharat - Page 8

Originally posted by: Justlikethat1

Let me try to be more clear.

I agree that Karna had some great qualities. He had nagaastra that was fatal to Arjun in mb. That is why Lord Krishna put his leg down to make the chariot lower a bit so that the asthra when used hit Arjun on thrown ans spared him otherwise. Karna was granted a boon to use this asthra once in war and at that time, Arjun was saved by Lord Krushna. No doubt.

But if Arjun was so bad when compared to Karna, how do you explain his victory after the exile? M point is, both Karna and Arjun were great warriors but at the end of the day Arjun was fighting for Dharma while Karna was fighting for the opposite.

A hero is one who fights for the right cause. Gori was a great warrior too and he fought the Rajputs. Will one call him a hero inspire of his victory?

Again, I do think that Karna was a man who had immense good qualities. He just had more grey than white in his character.

His actions in total do not paint a nice picture for he sided with the wrong people and performed many wrong actions.

I will never take away his good points. I agree with all that. But he was no hero.

I think you are talking about viraat yudha at that time karna did not use all of his strength as far I have read ( I am not a scholar in these I have read these from different sites) karna got defeated not by arjun but by indra,his teacher,the other 2 curses,kunti and Lord Krishna himself , I know this one thing that after the war when multiple level of divine powers were removed from arjuns chariot Exploded into dust because of the mighty blows from karna arjun too realised it And praised him bhishma himself said that karna is the best archer in the world and only Krishna can excel Him. Yes he did many wrong doings and was always with adharma but he was noble and stood by his word that's y he is a hero

I will put it this way

I never said arjun was bad compared to karna arjun was one of the greatest archer ever existed, bhishma,drona,kArna,arjun were the finest archer in the world, between these 4 even a 0.1 is very important

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I will put it this way

He can be called the anti hero of the epic

if Arjun was the hero

Duryodhan the villain

Karna was the tragic anti hero .

The anti hero always has more grey in him .

But i will not be very harsh with him . Its his mother i blame the most .

If he was born of a tejasvi god

if his natural genes bubbled like volcanic lava and were not satisfied being a mere charioteer

if the craving for archery was in his genes

and yet he was cruelly condemned to lead a stifling life , puzzled at his own oddities when they were but natural reactions , unknown to him

it was more the fault of his mother who put him in a basket and sent him defenceless down the river

then he himself .

It is all very well to say all had some problem or the other but they came out shining but

not one of them led his life ...they were princes who had security as they were born into what was rightfully their state

while he was placed in a state that was lower , rather , left to DIE .

i would not feel this sympathy for him if he was a charoiteer's son and was ambitious .

But he was being true to his genes .

If Eklavya was trying for something ambitiously

Karna was giving in to natural tendencies ...he could NOT be anything else .

2 children were sent in baskets down the river

Moses

Karna .

In the story of Moses the mother did it as it was her best shot at saving her child . He would have been killed anyways by the Pharaoh's soldiers .

In the story of Karna the mother did it to save HER name from stigma . Getting a boon to preserve her virginity , she did away with the baby that was an embarassment and went on to marry and have a life when

instead of sending the innocent baby down the river she could have drowned herself in the river . She didn't do that .

All his life he battled with the caste stigma as he didn't fit in . Why he didn't fit in ? All knew it ...all . Bheeshma and Vidur knew it ...Vyasa had told them . Kunti knew it . Krishna knew it .

If he had the Sun god's tej in his blood he simply couldn't be accused of getting too big for his boots . He was adhering to the truth while others were squashing him is the story .

Where his nobility is unparalleled

in giving Indra the kavach kundalas inspite of recognising him

in telling Kunti that he will NOT be now known as a Kounteya but will always be Radheya

in acknowledging his parents at the skills display competition although recognition would be detrimental for his chances among the caste conscious pundits

in telling Kunti that her 5 sons will forever live

in leaving his brothers but making it ultimately only between him and Arjun

in refusing Krishna's ultimate temptation ...to have the glory of being the eldest Pandava and having Draupadi as his wife ...Draupadi who had only looked down on him .

All was refused by him .

There is character there .

Regarding the point ...was he really a good friend

Bheeshma too sided with Duryodhan ...does it lessen his nobility ?

Duryodhan was a king with his own firm mind . He had helped Karna who was loyal to the salt till the end though many temptations were advanced by Sri Krishna purposefully .

His loyalty even impressed Krishna .

but Krishna's purpose was achieved . He wanted to create emotional turmoil in him and he did it . He knew exactly how Karna would react , he was such an accurate judge of character.All he wanted was the emotional blackmail .

I fault him for the vastra haran behaviour where he shows his personal anger towards Draupadi ...justified or not , no woman deserves THIS . About the purposeful law breaking in Abhimanyu's case i am confused even today as ALL broke laws ...some for dharma , some for adharma ...and when breaking of rules starts , it very dangerous and ambiguous .

Arjun tried to make up for all this unfair senseless horror by caring for Karna's son Vrishketu after Karna's death . He was in Arjun's company a lot , and it is said Arjun was especially affectionate to him . He accompanied Arjun on his campaigns to annex kingdoms during Yudhishtir's Ashwamedha yagna and Arjun taught him archery personally and made him the best archer .

This is what i know .

couldn't agree with you more

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I will put it this way

He can be called the anti hero of the epic

if Arjun was the hero

Duryodhan the villain

Karna was the tragic anti hero .

The anti hero always has more grey in him .

I hope they show the Bheeshma Karna scene when Bheeshma lay dying well and not with some contrived nonsense put in .

Neither Arjun was greater than Karna nor Karna was greater than Arjuna..both were equal ! Arjuna stands out to be the hero because he had Dharma on his side & Karna had Adharma on his side due to his loyalty towards Duryodhan..

And talking about the Virat yudh (where Arjuna had single-handedly defeated the Kauarvas) , someone has explained that part very clearly in this thread..why Karna was defeated by Arjuna in the virat war despite having his kavach-kundal..?? Also, why Karna didn't rescue Draupadi & insulted her at the time of her disrobing has been explained clearly by the members in this thread...You all must go through all the comments in this thread.. 😊

Beautiful post dear Yes karna was indeed a tragic hero of mahabharat he had all the qualities but was not accepted by the society yes he was indeed kept in dark he was alled sooth putra inded he was surya putra well thaks for sharing 😊

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

<font color="#0000ff">And i wonder how they are going to show the relationship between him and Draupadi ...it was very complicated with an undercurrent of attrraction according to many critics . In the Mahabharat she constantly looked down on him with contempt believing him trying to get above himself inspite of his lower caste and was annoyed that she , a princess , was dared to be aspired by him , who was born into a state lower than hers . But Krishna thought highly of him and made her realise her sub conscious attraction behind the annoyance .</font>

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<font color="#0000ff">In the Pandava brothers , strangely , Bheema insulted him more than Arjun , Arjun was more contained . Yudishtir did not insult him as he disapproved of ego .
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Really..?? 😲 Bheem insulted Karna..?? 😲 did he insult Karna of his low birth..?? If he insulted him for this reason then from now onwards, I have a grudge on Bheem..I dislike those who insult someone for their caste.. 😈