Episode 156 Discussion: 28th Dec 2012 - Page 3

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Just one thing to say to todays episode: With the way they egg each other on, Rishabala would have made a fantastic olympic tag team. Before it was Rk with all the "lets get out of dodge." and now Madhu is on the bandwagon-not only is she on the bandwagon, but she's competing with RK for control of the horses😉
Sorry about the metaphors but I believe they get the message through. Who is going to be the coolheaded on of this duo? When one of them gets an idea, the other one inflames the desire already there- interesting times ahead for all those surrounding this couple.
I do feel sorry for the supporting characters though- Rishbala are so into each other, that it could be said that their selflessness is deep down quite selfish. Madhu wanted to reconcile RK with his mom for his mom's sake- now it's so yes the relationship is repaired, but also so she can have RK to herself. They plan to leave everything behind. Madhu understands this. I would argue that she is being unknowingly cruel to reunite Radha with her son at this time-won't the pain of a new seperation be even greater now that the path to healing has begun? And RK knows that Padmini and Malik love Madhu above everything-he wants them to have each other so there will be some comfort when Madhu is taken away by him. Selfless acts on the surface, but with a selfish undercurrent regarding possesion of each other.
Now that they have confessed there love, there is an attitude, unknowingly I feel, of "To hell with rest of the world, it's you and me."
Nice to see them actually physically more comfortable with each other. Let's hope it continues going forward and the track gets more passionate.
Not going to worry about the precap-things are never as they seem. Besides, will be too busy being dragged around by little sis😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ananya05

@all: sorry for posting this here. I just changed my username from RKLover to Ananya05(finally IF allowed me to do so). But this thread and its discussions are integral to me, so just thought I should let you all know for the ease of reference.

Shri I am sorry if this was not supposed to be posted here.


Come on that's completely fine. Else it would have been confusing for some.!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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As romantic as the episode was the PRECAP has me scared and confused.
Mere perfect huspand ban kar rane ke kuch din baki - meaning he is not going to be the perfect husband he has been in the past few days

madhu ko pyaar karne ke kuch din baki hai- meaning he is not going to love Madhu anymore in a few days

I know rumors went around that RK was faking his feelings but I never believed that and still dont? is he trying to confuse dipali the way he confused her with the blood transfusion part? or is he serious?

FREAKY FRIDAY!!!!
Edited by Gurtiluv - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gurtiluv

As romantic as the episode was the PRECAP has me scared and confused.
Mere perfect huspand ban kar rane ke kuch din baki - meaning he is not going to be the perfect husband he has been in the past few days

madhu ko pyaar karne ke kuch din baki hai- meaning he is not going to love Madhu anymore in a few days

I know rumors went around that RK was faking his feelings but I never believed that and still dont? is he trying to confuse dipali the way he confused her with the blood transfusion part? or is he serious?

FREAKY FRIDAY!!!!



I never for once believed the revenge theory. I think he is on a mission to close Deepali's chapter forever before leaving with Madhu and this seems to be a part of his plan.RK- deepali need a closure before RK-madhu can truly move on. Although, I am not sure how successful he might be in his plan. But I have faith that he will never reveal his true plans/intentions to deepali under any circumstances. We just have to wait and watch.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tanu07

The champi scene was good. The line 'Acha hona RK ka standard nahi hai' was meant to agonise the audience along with the precap.

@bold: There are quite a few people who are of the opinion that CV's have made RK sweet and lover-boy types like any other hero in telly land, etc. So I think it was a way of conveying to the viewers that he is still the same old RK and that they have not ruined the very essence of his nature.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I am pretty sure everyone enjoyed the rishabalalicious episode. I loved the episode so much so that I was grinning like a fool non stop. They do make a very cute and adorable couple don't they? For some reason, as the episode kept progressing with too good to be true scenes I started having an eerie feeling about their relationship and the complacency with which both RK and Madhu talked about their love and their life far far away from the rest of the world. I wanted to put a kala tikka on both of them as they looked so much in love with a semblance of peace and a feeling that they both have learned to love and be loved in return.


We already know that there is Ballu and Dips who are dark, dangerous and detrimental to Rishabala relationship just lurking around the corner waiting for the right time and opportunity. Why do I have a feeling that this episode has set the stage for some major heartbreak? I am actually fearful for these two and worried about how they are going to keep their promise of being there for each other and staying together forever.


During yesterday's episode Madhu mentioned to RK that she had thought about them leaving everyone behind and was worried a little as her parents would miss her but they will be able to take care of each other. So, Madhu has her mind set and will not go back on her words unless something catastrophic happens and if that involves her family. I was really surprised that she never questioned his intentions of why he wanted to leave and felt that she should not be blindly trusting anyone regardless of who it is. I am not saying RK has bad intentions but as a wife just like she expressed her opinion about her parents' marriage she should have atleast asked him. She did n't but he himself questioned and answered her thinking that the question might have been in her mind. His response was quite convincing and I actually felt that it was reasonable considering what he has been through. I have to give it to the CVs for making the reason convincing enough and not making the viewers think about Dipali (atleast I did not think about her as the reason behind his wanting to leave) where he says that he took to the industry to get away from his past masking his hurt, pain and betrayal by living the life of a superstar who was worshiped by his innumerable number of fans. I loved the fact that he said he had replaced someone five years ago and it wouldn't be too long before someone replaces him and the only thing that is constant and irreplaceable in his life is her who is his and will always be his forever. I was kind of getting a wee bit scared when he had said that she will be his forever and the background score added to that sounded like an ultimatum from his end where he had marked her as his and hell will break loose if something was to happen to Madhu or if someone were to even touch her without his permission. Nonetheless, his admittance was sincere, genuine and heartfelt and we could see that in Madhu whose eyes were gleaming with pride on hearing what he had said about her. I wanted to reach out to him and give him a hug which Madhu did rightfully when he was yearning to hear her say no that he is not unlucky in love. Both DD and VD were brilliant in that scene and they were spot on with their emotions. The hug was well rounded and complete since he hugged her first and then squeezed her tight which makes me wonder if the CVs purposely made his previous hugs lackluster only to show that he had doubts in his mind then and now that his doubts are cleared he has no inhibitions in giving her a tight hug.


I have nothing to say about Radunce, once again she became a kathputli in Dips' hands. Her son spoke to her with so much concern and care yesterday while asking her to take care of her health and she takes Dip's words over her own belief that her son is slowly changing for good. She should have told Dips that she shouldn't worry about RK as she knows RK well who is still her son and will always be her son. Looks like she is the one with golgappa. What makes Dips an expert in human psychology? Dips is a shameless, disgusting woman who just finds some reason or the other to hang around RK who pretends that she never exists and every time she comes in front of him he finds new ways and means to belittle/insult her. I loved it how he squashed her like a bug with the remote analogy.


Whatever happened to him in the precap and the precap scared the living daylights out of me and confused me to the core about RK and his behavior? He is the same person who was stopping Madhu from saying that they were going to leave for good since Dips was standing outside their room and shamelessly listening to their conversation. He also tells her that he does not want anyone to know of their plans. What in blue hell might have happened in order for him to reveal Dips that everything is going to come to an end pretty soon and they are going to have a fresh start where he will be the perfect husband for Madhu? What was the need for him to tell Dips this and that too he was asking her to go and tell this to Radha. Just when I thought everything is going as per planned RK throws a googly where he was too complacent of the future while revealing most of it to Dips. Dips is not dumb like Radha and I am pretty sure she will put two and two together and might try to separate Madhu from him with a vengeance not that she is not trying to do that now and I am assuming that this is where she is going to team up with Ballu. Per the article, Ballu's failed attempt to shoot Madhu and Dips' failed attempts to break RK/Madhu might make them team up to wreak havoc in RK and Madhu's lives. Also, what the heck was in that letter that Madhu read and why RK is calling the lawyer? If it is for Shamini wedding then what made him think that Madhu is going to agree even before she admitted that he was right and agreed to go ahead with his plan. Was he that sure Madhu would come around or was he that confident that he could convince Madhu to agree to his plan? Or is it because he is planning on creating a living will for his assets where he would leave everything to his mother and the Bhatia's have to be forever good to her to milk some cash out of her? He would make sure that they don't harm her for money's sake or else the money would be donated to charitable institutions. This is just my two cents guess for why he was seeking a lawyer.
Edited by kt25 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Another great episode...
I love the fact that the romance comes looking very natural instead of contrived. There is something cute and sweet about it but not so much that it gives you diabetes. Both the characters stay in thier character while romancing. Another thing I like is the tongue-in-cheek comments about the OTT things in the show. Several comments have been made by RK on Madhu's habit to start waterworks at the drop of hat or the way he is too dramatic. Kudos to the writers of the show.
It is funny because just yesterday I was wondering that if RK was pretending to be good all along just so that he can break Madhu and today the precap seemed to hint that. He has once vowed to become her God and he is pretty close to having just that much influence on her. However I later realized that if RK was just stringing Madhu along for a ride, he would not have shared as much as he did. He did not have to share his pain, his thoughts ...just sticking to basics and confessing would have worked too. He should know by now that Madhu is too innocent to ever sense the difference if RK would have held himself back. She would have just assumed that it is a part of his personality.
Another loop was closed when RK today explained why he wanted to leave. I was happy with the explanation because I have always believed that RK is shown to be an extremely intelligent and grounded person. His wanting to leave to test Madhu would have butchered his character. This also tells me that he is smart enough to understand what is coming and is already preparing for it. Maybe subconciously for once...he wants to be the one who chooses to break up and turns his back on love (love of his fans) instead of other way around. This also gives me confidence that he is not planning to live his life as hermit in some jungle. From his perspective it will be a different life because he will not have the same adulation and he will not be making same amount of money. He is prepared for that eventuality and wants to make sure that so is Madhu. There also seems to be no timeline to his plan...my guess is he plans to leave as soon as he sees first sign of his downfall.
There is only one thing that scares me about RK. He always talks about love in terms of eternity. While it is not unusual but there is an odd ominous tone to it. It almost feels as if he is challenging the fates to do that while he strives to hold on to that love. It also scares me because it is obvious that it will not take much even a ghost of insecurity in this respect will be enough to push him over the edge. It scares me because RK is completely capable of suffocating Madhu's personality with his love just so that he can hold onto her.
Radhaji is a very odd character...I do not understand her at all. This lady wants someone else to do all the legwork on a relationship. She is not ready to risk even a little heartbreak even if might get her close to her estranged son. I fail to see what hold Dipali has on Radha that she would believe everything Dipali says. Does Radha not sense that Dipali seems to be more focussed on RK than Sikky?
Now for precap- My assumption is that he is making for the statements in reference to his mother, Madhu se pyaar karne kuch hi din baki hai (Because Madhu will be gone with him), Perfect husband hone ke kuch hi aur din baki hai (My guess he was talking about Kuku Bhatia). Sab kuch khatam ho jayega. (All her illusions will break and she will see the true faces of her family) aur phir sab kuch naya hoga (she might understand her son's anger and disappointment and will need to rebuild new realationships/new bonds with her family)
Edited by dramacrazy12 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hello all...did everybody enjoy almost 22 mins of Rishbala? I did. I loved it. 😃
The pre cap disturbed me, or rather confused me. Then I realised...this is a friday episode...CVs have to make us think of their serial all weekend, like we have nothing else to do, right😆😆

about the pre cap...since he mentions janam dene wali maa...my guess is dips uses Radha to uksao him and he gets back at her. It does have something to do with provoking Dipali. It's no use me saying it...but when will these private convos between RK and Dipali stop once and for all!!! They just keep showing us that regardless of what he thinks of her, he still has some sort of private relationship with her...that is something I cannot digest.

He definitely has a plan about this whole 'leaving his showbiz world'...even wondering if his real test for madhu is still in the offing. And she is so lost in him, that she would do anything for him. For the first time, she says to him...tum surf mere ho jaoge. Her junoon is yet to be seen.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ALL - Take a look at the below post from the main forum where the TM beautifully explains the precap and this post actually helped put my mind at ease. I now feel better knowing that RK did it on purpose to confuse Dipali who overheard part of Madhu's conversation and might have questioned him directly.

Precap: Listen Carefully, there is a full stop

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3366320


Edited by kt25 - 13 years ago
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My musings from today's Episode.

Let's leave all this and go somewhere, where there would be just you and me !!!


A small Prologue before I dive into the subject.
I don't know why, but since the day Rishabh Kundra said it to Madhu, I was so caught by it and was so happy for his idea. Is there this deeply romantic person in me who wants to retreat somewhere. Well that's not a secret to me. I like it always, just that I don't have a partner like Madhu who would just come away with me. But I am gonna promise this to myself, I am not going to fail in this but will make it come true in whichever its gonna happen and whenever it may happen...may be in my old age...or may be in my imagination.

I have studied my natal horoscope so many times. My 12th house ...the house of losses/imprisonment is occupied by Venus and Rahu and that too in the sagitarian zodiac sign ruled by Jupiter. And where is my Jupiter sitting, in my ascendent sign and that too in a debilitated position. I was sad initially at the fatal, predisposed failures predicted for me in that way. But the optimist in me, decided that I need to look beyond that and just make it something good. So what did I do. I just studied more and more about the planets, planetary movements and how we think. May be over a period of two years of self-study and musing over many things, I thought...who cares if the most benefic planets Jupiter and Venus just become useless for me. If instead of being lucky, they would just stop being productive for me, I needed to stop depending on them. I then looked at the malefic and neutral planets in my horoscope and how they were posited. The sign of Sagitarius tells us of long journeys. Personally I don't like journeys. The Sagitarian sign happens to be my Twelfth house. That would mean my long journey that is supposed to be fortunate for me will actually become my imprisonment, my loss. Then that means almost like an exile. Okay. Who is aiding in my exile. My venus. The expressive energy is being forced to be repressed. So I won't be able to express in real time but will be fail to come forth spontaneously. My Bad!!! how bad that sounds. Who else is in there. Rahu...the Malefic planet. Venus is always friend of malefic planets. But Rahu has to opposing to the occupying sign energies. So basically Rahu is gonna create a conflict in my predicament. He will keep fighting to obsessive limits. There I found my spirit. I had a laugh on my face. It was going to be my Rahu energy set against Jupiter's debilitating energy and being an industrious planet will work hard with purpose. All that it needs is a direction. Then why don't I turn his friend Venus to assist him. So a journey, an exile made interesting with actually working at something rather than just be repressed. And I can set all my other planets to full use against the negative energies. Of course there won't be any luck, but plain hard work. No problem.

May be that's why flight to somewhere with complete love and devotion and without any conflict fascinates me so much. The obsession to succeed intended failures drives you so much that you do end up conquering the pre-destined fate to create a new destiny for ourselves.


Anyways coming back to Rishabh Kundra and his idea of Let's get out of here, go somewhere where there is just you and me...


Rishabh loves the Cinema world and yet he wants to be exiled from it.
Madhu does not love the Cinema world and so it is hardly felt by Madhu how big the leaving is for Rishabh. Rishabh has just one promise. A promise of eternal love which he is believing in and he has decided to go for it leaving everything else which is love but ephermeral, transient.

While Madhu has just one Love to follow, where she is not having any dilemma or sacrifice to pick one from the available choices, Rishabh is having the tough predicament to pick one love of his two loves...Madhu and Cinema. And he picked Madhu. He explains to her that he picked her because she is going be his forever and never leave him. But the adoration he gets from his fans through Cinema is ephermeral in nature. Seems an intelligent choice there when he is just renunciating Stardom. But Rishabh, have you explained to Madhu, about your love for Art and Expression. Oh yes!!you did explain to her. You told her, your "larger than life drama" you would be never be able to leave behind. And I shall call that as Your Expressive Energy.

So the man seems to be on a wondrous mission and seems to have all thought about it.

However...the current theme of New Beginnings from Ashes...the larger theme started since Dec 10th and 11th episode where Madhu and Rishabh Kundra had to face the ugly heads of their past...that theme seems to be turning a little dodgy there.

Both Rishabh and Madhu promised to be the partners to each other in the eternal journey together. And before they could start, both agreed that they needed to fix things in order for them to go away. And interestingly, Rishabh is taking care of Madhu's weights and Madhu is taking care of her promise given to his mother. She just needs the son to call his mother as "Maa" and her promise would be fulfilled.

But us the viewers are seeing much more which these two samaritans on a mission are not seeing. We see Madhu's dogging past approaching her. It already has reached Rishabh Kundra. I am talking about Balraj to make it easy for everyone.

I can see that Madhu's past is approaching with a tumultous energy which needs certain forces to be unified. I might have the comfort of Shamsher and Rishabh Kundra unified in protecting their women..Yes Padmini and Madhu against coming Balraj. But I fear when and how Balraj is going to see Padmini and Madhu. I am apprehensive, if Shamsher and Rishabh Kundra will know Balraj as their antagonist before Balraj actually targets anyone in mortal fashion.

I can see Rishabh, though closing in on his hurts and deceits, there is still that psychological edge that makes me apprehensive. When everyone in the party liked RK's seeming indifferent taunt to Dipali ..."Kaala akshar Dipali barabar", I did not like the taunting to RK. For me it was not the true "letting go" for me. It was still holding on to something there. And my fears came true today when I saw that precap scene where Rishabh Kundra is daring Dipali go and tell his mother about all of his behaviour as ephermeral. Now do I really concern myself about what he said ? No. No way. Infact I like it that he is waging his battles with Dipali. Because Madhu makes him deal with "His mother situation", but someone had to deal with Dipali.


So we have the expressed desire to "leave everything" working with resolve to "Fix everything that is Broken" by Rishabh Kundra and Madhubala. And yet...we have the predisposed energies seeming to work against them. They need to burn their nagging and dogging past.

  • Will they be able to do so ? The long term track.
  • And while still working in the dark with approaching dark past, will the promised hope of eternal togetherness shown by Madhubala still be available to Rishabh Kundra? The mid term track.
  • Will Rishabh, like in the manner of two spies working together in a mission tell Madhu that he is going to catch Dipali at her own game or he is going to work all alone? Will there be any misunderstanding between the two? The approaching week ahead?

Let me jot it down before it gets anymore confusing.
  1. Will we have the new beginnings from Ashes if we get answers to these questions ?
  2. Will Rishabh come out his insecurity...that he is Unlucky in Love?
  3. Will Rishabh beat Dipali at her own game ? By twisting her challenge to Rishabh Kundra beyong her comprehension ?
  4. Will Radha Bhatia and Rishabh Kundra be reconciled enough to part in amicable manner?
  5. Will We see Madhu seeing Radha's failing and confront her?
  6. Will we see Radha accepting her weak-mindedness and that she should let go her hold on Rishabh Kundra?
  7. Will Padmini and Madhu get away from Balraj's fury and determination?
  8. Will Padmini and Shamsher ever get married ?
  9. Will Trishna's career ever take off ?
  10. Will Rishabh Kundra and Shamsher keep Balraj away from Padmini and Madhu? Does he need to get killed or jailed or just be silenced into becoming the antagonist to Rishabh and Madhu ?

Some answers that I can tell right now. Trishna's career is not going to take off as Balraj cannot continue to produce her movie once Balraj targeting Padmini and MAdhu gets known to Rishabh Kundra.
  1. Does that mean that Rishabh Kundra is not going to know who is after his wife's life?
  2. If yes, then what shall Trishna do ?
  3. What if Madhu is misrepresented of facts and she misunderstands RK's intentions to help Trishna ? What if she doesn't trust him ?

You know what...in all of this just one thing gives me direction. Rishabh and Madhu's "Hum hai Deewane...Tere Deewane" Listen to the song and it shall give all the answers.

Rishabh cannot let his love for Madhu fail. If worse comes his way to take away his love from him, he will have his obsession to fall back on. For he is the man with the mission who is willing sacrifice his love for Cinema to gain full control over his ability to keep his love, his Madhu all for himself. For Rishabh was never obsessed to possess Madhu. Rishabh was always obsessed about not failing in love and about not getting decieved. It was his obsession to get that love which made him a Superstar. And it will be again his obsession to get love which will drive him to attain Madhu as his forever.

Against this backdrop, don't you think it interesting for Madhu to embrace Cinema so that Rishabh need not go away from it. You can ask me how does that work at all. Well Rishabh has a problem with his Superstar status, but not a problem with creativity. Can't he become a Film Maker? and Madhu be part of his production ?

Now why do you think, that Madhu would even think of doing it? Because if Rishabh can sacrifice his love for cinema for Madhu, so she can sacrifice her dislike for Cinema for Rishabh. Because for Madhu Rishabh is both her love and her obsession.

But then why is even there the need for Madhu and Rishabh to even be attached to world of Cinema when they have decided to fly away. Coz there is Balraj who thinks his daughter's rising fame is going to end his power. So Rishabh and Madhu shall stand together against Balraj to disprove him. What better than turning Madhu to a Superstar?


In all of these Musings then I get only two executables for my underlying theme of Beginnings from Ashes
  1. Rishabh Kundra needs to win over his Insecurity that he is Unlucky in his Love. He need not leave Cinema for that. He can still have Madhu with him in this world. This started on Dec 11th
  2. Madhubala needs to win over her dislike for Cinema world and embrace her fate/destiny of being the rising Star. She need not fear it as she will have Rishabh to support her.

And who shall drive them ?
Rishabh - Dipali, Radha and Madhu
Madhu - Balraj, Padmini, Trishna and Rishabh.

Going by this musing, I am thinking that amidst running of various mini tracks, like going away, fixing our families, other branching tracks in upcoming weeks, that it shall be end of February probably when things change and Rishabh and Madhu stay back and Madhu may set herself to enter Cine World. May be even a month longer time... But we may be getting there...

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