Episode Discussion: 19th Oct 2012 - Page 3

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Munni_123

The killer is out!

Poor RK ,no band aid ,no doctors and nurses in vicinity. Yeh kaisa hospital hai? 😆



ya exactly, that's what i thought
even madhu is not bothered about that😆
oh my poor rk😛😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zoya_naziya


@bold: I was just thinking of the same when i saw the scene😆 But on second thoughts, had such a thing ever happened, we would be the same ones to have pounced on this scene and said that for god sake they were in a hospital room with plenty of first-aid, nurses and docs around and the CV's not show sth illogical...


😆 Zoya - after the Madhu/RK moments drought we've had I would've been able to easily overlook the fact that they're in a hospital if the above scenario had presented itself lol As it is, I cannot overlook the fact. Calling Bittuji was worse lol
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Posted: 12 years ago
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guys i still want that shooter should not be malik😔
just pray 4 that
anyway hope 4 the best
after all, this is just a serial😛


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: PreetD


😆 Zoya - after the Madhu/RK moments drought we've had I would've been able to easily overlook the fact that they're in a hospital if the above scenario had presented itself lol As it is, I cannot overlook the fact. Calling Bittuji was worse lol


Bittuji is Mads new Knight in shining armour😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@bold: I was just thinking of the same when i saw the scene😆 But on second thoughts, had such a thing ever happened, we would be the same ones to have pounced on this scene and said that for god sake they were in a hospital room with plenty of first-aid, nurses and docs around and the CV's not show sth illogical...


ya but, atleast they have to call a doctor
but they didn't
madhu was just standing there and did nothing
she was totally blank😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: PreetD


I don't think that RK saw it was him. They were moving around quite a bit, plus it was supposed to be dark, and he had taken meds that probably knocked him out thus making him groggy.

I've been wondering about his invitation to Padmani and Malik for the pooja. Perhaps he puts some things together and invites them on a hunch and Malik falls into the trap thus proving RK's theory to be correct.

I honestly still don't see how this could create a big misunderstanding between Madhu and him though. How can he logically blame Madhu for her father coming after him when Madhu has been right there time and time again doing everything she can to save him? There must be something else that transpires, maybe he begins to think that everything that Madhu's been doing has been to cover up for her father and to protect him. Of course he jumps on this theory as he's not used to people doing things him without getting anything in return. Perhaps it's what someone else mentioned a while ago, I can't remember who wrote it now (please someone help me out), Madhu and RK both find out and the disagreement is how to deal with it, Madhu who champions justice and the right thing above all else now in a predicament, this man that should be going to jail now is her father, is she going to be able to go after him the way she went after justice for Mukhund? It becomes a 'me or him' situation. RK sees that Madhu won't pick him or there's some hesitation and that leads to him telling her to leave or something.

^ make sense of that jumble of thoughts lol


Agree with you that it was highly unlikely that RK saw Shamsher...

Madhu has time and again saved him... She has given him blood, she visited the SV temple for his recovery, even today she tried preventing the attack... And he now knows that she is very righteous,truthful and would not backstab anyone what-so-ever. Why would she go through all the troubles when all she wanted was him to die? This is sth he should surely be pondering on when he comes to know of Malik...

Nonetheless, at the end of all this ,if RK does feel that he has been betrayed by Madhu then our old RK would be back with all his junoon..

But the most interesting aspect of all this drama is that how the CV's are going to portray Madhu's dilemma... Madhu would just be a lost soul... She would not know whom to turn to , who to fight for, who to fight against... Everything would be at stake for Madhu...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Watched the episode.

It was not a beautiful episode which I wanna watch again. It was just the needed move to the next track. Shamsher Malik Vs RK. My title for the new track will be .. I don't have any... But I need to understand Shamsher Malik today, who was never important for me in the story until today when I saw Rishabh and Madhubala Kundra together were fighting against him, foiling his attempt to kill RK.

I am certainly not sure what CVs have in their mind when turning Shamsher Malik into a killer. Seriously a killer ? 😕 Where is all this going to ? I am not going into the very much mundane analysis of the obvious...the impact of this on Madhubala when the two most important men in her life are pitted against each other. For now the reality for her through the viewer eyes is this:

One is saving the other though he was the cause for the other's dying
Other is killing the other because he was the cause for his ruin.

RK's treatment No.1 of Shamsher - Fair and Square
Beat him enough that he is unable to get up and yet cannot die . Then leave him to die. Who does that ? What triggers that ? Shamsher tried to assault him. And the way he could beat up all the security around RK, Shamsher was very much in for brutal vendetta.

RK's treatment No.2 of Shamsher - as a Pawn
Use him and his situation to get even with his so-called daughter Madhubala. Mind it the pawn was not important, it was the prize that was coveted by RK.

RK's treatment No.3 of Shamsher - Taking care of Sasurji
Somewhere down the line, RK had accepted that Madhubala is his wife, then it becomes fair and reasonable to take care of his Sasurji. How is that any different from him taking care of the Bhatias ? Not much. isn't it ?

Shamsher's treatment No.1 of RK - before his vegetable State
You ruined our lives. You finished us. I will finish you.

Shamsher's treatment No.2 of RK - after he comes out of his vegetable state.
You ruined our lives. You finished us. I will finish you.

Isn't it strange that Shamsher seems to have been in a frozen state with only one thought "I want to finish you" ? Is there something more to it ? Something more than just finishing RK ? Ofcourse, the CVs are not going to go so deep as me...but then I would like to know what makes a man lose his reason and take Godly matters into their hands.

What makes RK lose his reason and take Godly matter of teaching Madhubala into his hands. He is self-professed diabolical man and he has every right to do it. Agree! we have seen that.

What makes Shamsher lose his reason and take Godly matters such as killing a monster into his hands. He is a hero, a knight in shining armor and has to do something to save the honour of the people depending on him. Hmmm! I can see that.

Now can I have the title ? The Knight in the shining armor versus the Monster

Whether RK is a monster or not. We have analysed a lot. We know what he is.

Is Shamsher truly a hero ? Truly a knight in shining armor ?

He saved Padmini and her daughters once when Balraj the monster was there to kill them. A black and white act of the hero versus the villain which Shamsher got to play at real when he had been playing the same act in make-believe world of cinema as the stunts-man. Playing with weaponry, those fights are part of his every day life. And the same he could use as his skills to save the women in trouble in real life.

What was he actually before he became the hero for the three women ?

An actor who left his native place in Punjab, came to Mumbai with dreams of becoming a hero on the celluloid. He couldn't be successful. He just ended up being a stuntsman. Not even earned a chance to act as a villain. Did it hit him hard when RK taunted, "Sasurji aapko to villain hona chaahiye tha filmon mein ?" Could be !

Somewhere between the failed attempts at becoming the hero, he had his peace with becoming the hero to the three women. And he truly revelled in this role-play of his. A savior.

And when he fails to save the second time, what kicks into his thinking once he gets back his consciousness.
zang lage auzaar, dawaiyon ka gulaam, kamzor shamsher lad raha hai, kamzor baap lad raha hai

So that is our Shamsher. He is seeing himself as a failure and it gets magnified when he is pitted against a man who is a HERO on the celluloid which used to be his dream, which now is the dream passed on towards his elder daughter. Projections of their dreams on Trishna.

What was he citing his reasons to hate RK?
Beti ki sagaai tod di
badi beti ke sapno ko apne mehenge jooton ke tale pees pees ke phaila diya
choti beti ko bandhua biwi bana ke rakha hua hai

Just as the woman (Padmini) he saved lives in her idyllic world, so is Shamsher Malik who refuses to let go of the dreamy world which talks about fair men standing against evil men and Hero needs to vanquish the Villain.

Just like RK, Shamsher doesn't carry any reason on his head when he tries to become the killer. He has to be the story-book hero. However that was the first time. He definitely was the hero when he barged into the studio in broad day-light and confronted RK.

But the second time around, may be the thought is there to be the hero, but his act is not of the knight in shining armor. Or is there you think ? Why the attacks in a masked manner ? Because the opponent is all too powerful ?

Whatever...But did he see that his daughter, whose honor he was trying to save was actually fighting to save his opponent. Does it sound wierd to him ? Of course it does. Hence these words
Jaane usne kya jaado kiya hai
Woh jiye mare kuch phark nahin padta
Mujhe sirf apne bachchon ki parwaah hai, jo is samay bikhri hui hai, jo sirf main sametna chaahta hoon

Coz once he is able to finish the monster, his daughter will be free from the magical cage that has totally changed her beyond his recognition.

Well that was our dreamy Real life Hero Shamsher Malik against the Reel life hero RK.

What an irony that Real life hero act is so unreasonable when viewed from prevailing laws of human society, as seen in conventional ethics. Knights do not exist. One doesn't take law into their hands. Shamsher cannot think beyond this and perhaps that is the reason, it never occurred to him that his stay-put hero-act is not actually sanctioned by society which RK so easily ridicules him for. He takes care of a woman that is not his wife and raises two girls like his own daughters. Does Shamsher understand the ignominy that Padmini and his daughters may have gone through in their life on account of his knight status ?

What an irony that the RK who is a monster actually in real life takes heed of societal laws and does not kill Shamsher and when decides to destroy the woman, he provides her with a dignified status sanctioned by society. He makes her his wife. RK taunts Shamsher ''Aapki naajayez beti to Jaayez Biwi banaya hai maine" Does that hurt Shamsher in any manner ?


We all know why RK is a Reel hero. Because in real life he could not be a hero to his father...

I am caught in this uninteresting situation, forced to watch the two men. Until the two men understand each other, that they are mirror images of each other, that they both are the heroes in real life as well, they are not going to be at peace. Each needs to know the story of the other. Another epic story there. Can Madhubala please build a bridge between the two to end the vendetta ? Please ...

Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Other than the highlight of the episode...Shamsher Malik, the interesting things in today's episode were:

The fight
Seeing Rishabh and Madhubala Kundra fighting together against the killer. I just loved the scene, both on the same side and yet not doing the eye-locks or caring-sharing. They just were in action.

The mockery
And if yesterday's episode ended at the counter-question of Madhu to Rishabh Kundra, and he was stupefied, Madhu today quickly brought her concern into action. She knows Rishabh's need to be concealed behind RK. So she immediately makes it light by turning the seriousness into a mockery of him.
Waise Rishabh Kundra mere hosh mein aate hee tum mujhpe ahsaan jataate
Rishabh catches that and answers back
Mazaak lagta hai yeh sab tumhe

That definitely takes them to a next level, where Rishabh can be mocked and he retorts just in vexation at being mocked and not turn into a RK. Isn't that an achievement for Madhu that she did not let Rishabh become a RK when trying to answer her mockery ?

Last one was insight into Deepali -- for the first time.
Baap ne career bigaada, beta zindagi bigaada
We now what Kukku and Sikky Bhatia mean to her.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Wow!👏👏👏👏.
@o-SD-o,what a marvellous dissection of todays episode,esp.shammu's character sketch.Yeah,beautifully explained all the intricacies.
Actually it should be put up in the main forum,Its as good as poco's analysis and beast stories.
Me agree,shamsher is a hero in his own logic.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I will return with other poster's thoughts. will take some time to go through the thread

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