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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: fahimataq

Rima in this kind of reality show where people/celebs are competing for bollywood I think personality also counts a lot. You need to be confident, humble and patient and at the same time have the talent. But the problem is this show does not give people a chance to prove themselves...or even improve And after knowing tht panchi and reshmi were in the bottom two...its given me a shock....

You're absolutely right...Two performances is not enough to judge them by...Fair enough some of the contestents are professional actors...but what about the amateurs, it is unfair to judge them solely based on that. They have no experience to speak of and not all actors are great or overly talented from the start at either acting or dancing...they improve with time. Isn't the prime example Amitabh Bachan, who I believe gave 11 or so flop films before giving a hit. Now there can be a lot of reasons for this...direction, productions blah blah blah...but to some degree, acting skills would have been involved...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: zcbcc34

Exactly hun...completely agree....no some may argue that popularity comes from talent, but that isn't always the case, is it...

Panchi did not deserve to leave. Period. But in a way, I'd think a lack of voting contributed that that also. I have mentioned to you before my thoughts on Panchi's popularity...I think that had a slight affect. We are in a concentrated Panchi bubble at the moment, in the forums, everyone loves Panchi and speaks well of her but we have a small percentage...we taking Inida into account, we dont know their opinions of her...

Agree with u.....need to come out of this panchi bubble and what we think is not necessarily wht the rest of the india thinks of her...But thanks for creating this post rimz😉
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: fahimataq

Agree with u.....need to come out of this panchi bubble and what we think is not necessarily wht the rest of the india thinks of her...But thanks for creating this post rimz😉

haha...no probs...see I can be thought provoking when I want to...😆😊
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: zcbcc34

You're absolutely right...Two performances is not enough to judge them by...Fair enough some of the contestents are professional actors...but what about the amateurs, it is unfair to judge them solely based on that. They have no experience to speak of and not all actors are great or overly talented from the start at either acting or dancing...they improve with time. Isn't the prime example Amitabh Bachan, who I believe gave 11 or so flop films before giving a hit. Now there can be a lot of reasons for this...direction, productions blah blah blah...but to some degree, acting skills would have been involved...

Ur right. But wht pissed me off was when i think salil said in todays epi tht 24 of u cant win....😕 Ofcourse they cant they r here to compete but the problem is unfair voting. Its not about been Mahan or good.....evrybody knows in bollywood people bitch about each other wht is he trying to say? tht to work in gen x, u gotta be bitchy not talented....fair enuff if u vote against colleagues but the question in my mind was after tpdays epi...tht what is the point of public voting if the contestants vote against each other. I dont mind if there is a tie but then the judjes should choose the most worthy jodi...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: fahimataq

Ur right. But wht pissed me off was when i think salil said in todays epi tht 24 of u cant win....😕 Ofcourse they cant they r here to compete but the problem is unfair voting. Its not about been Mahan or good.....evrybody knows in bollywood people bitch about each other wht is he trying to say? tht to work in gen x, u gotta be bitchy not talented....fair enuff if u vote against colleagues but the question in my mind was after tpdays epi...tht what is the point of public voting if the contestants vote against each other. I dont mind if there is a tie but then the judjes should choose the most worthy jodi...

That is an excellent point...are the other actors and amateurs themselves qualified to decide who stays and who goes? Of course the judges should have final autority and ONLY if there has been a tie...this is the problem with the reality shows...constant format changes...
Of course the other contestents will vote tactical...they are not stupid...everyone is in it to win it...I guess Shalil's words party ran true...but I dont know in what context he was saying that...(please do let me know...)
I'm slightly concerned now.. Introduction of contestent voting just adds to the fear that the most deserving will deff not win...
Clearly this is neither benefical to the producers or the director...why would they allow the creatives to go ahead with such a concept? Perhaps they have no say or perhaps the role is so minscule that it hardly matters who is picked...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: zcbcc34

That is an excellent point...are the other actors and amateurs themselves qualified to decide who stays and who goes? Of course the judges should have final autority and ONLY if there has been a tie...this is the problem with the reality shows...constant format changes...
Of course the other contestents will vote tactical...they are not stupid...everyone is in it to win it...I guess Shalil's words party ran true...but I dont know in what context he was saying that...(please do let me know...)
I'm slightly concerned now.. Introduction of contestent voting just adds to the fear that the most deserving will deff not win...
Clearly this is neither benefical to the producers or the director...why would they allow the creatives to go ahead with such a concept? Perhaps they have no say or perhaps the role is so minscule that it hardly matters who is picked...

He was saying the right thing. But when Jay, Krithika and Karan were talking about the contestants voting, he said bollywood is like that people bitch about each other so u have to choose one jodi. What annoyed me was that he is using that as an excuse to say contestant voting against one another is not a problem..
I think the role been very minscule in the movie is a reason too since there are supposed to be 7 lead actors in the film.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Thanks Fahima...
you're right...it's deff not an excuse...Only context I can see that happening is with established actors who are asked to reccomend other actors for films...but that is not the case here...who are the other contestents to decide?
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Exactly Rima. They themselves are learning. I thought this was a talent hunt show but its obviously not the case its more of a TRP hunt show.
Arghh my brain hurts now😆😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Thought provoking topic with insightful comments. =)

My two cents;
One of the purposes of reality shows is to garner high TRPs/ratings. Ideally, reality shows will have other goals too such as finding talented contestants, educating the audience etc. However, we cannot deny the importance of ratings, which can cause production houses to resort to melodramatic and sometimes, cheap behavior. Popularity does not always guarantee victory (Ex: Raja Hassan, arguably the most popular contestant of SRGMP '07, lost to Aneek Dhar in a show based entirely on public voting) nor does talent. (Amit Paul, a talented singer almost always receiving high praise from the judges, lose to Prashant Tamang in Indian Idol) Therefore, popularity and talent do matter but the reality show systems are often unjust. I guess, what I'm trying to say is that popularity and talent, at least in these shows, seem secondary to the reality show system, which is cut throat and often, deceptive. Those who can survive in this system are those who win...the survival of the fittest, I suppose.

Kaun Jeetega Bollywood Ka Ticket is definitely a show, which requires one to adapt to all the curve balls and surprises thrown one's way. Think about it, every other episode, there is some huge fight [be it verbal or physical] and surprise [life line votes given by co-contestants]. Therefore, to succeed in such a reality show, popularity and talent are of course necessary. However, one also needs to be a little bit shrewd and needs to know how to deal with all of this excess drama to survive.

*Personally, that's why I feel Panchi was eliminated. Although, a fairly popular and talented contestant, I don't think she really knew the workings of reality shows and said things, which didn't go down well with other contestants causing her to be eliminated through the life line system. If Panchi was a bit more knowledgeable about reality shows, she would have probably known that video clips are edited etc. to create this type of drama and she would have either not said anything about her co-contestants or defended herself more aggressively. Unfortunately, the poor girl seems like a very sensitive soul and looked quite shocked by everything that had taken place.*


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