Some reflections on a few episodes

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Hi all. I've been off gallivanting on the pretext of the conference but am back now after an amazing trip .... for further details, PM me 😉 😊. I have missed a lot of episodes in the interim but thanks to IF managed to catch up on them. Thought i'd do one post instead of several.

Just a few asides before i begin: A huge round of congrats to Shweta for becoming Abhi's princess.... what with one princess and several wives, Gaurav is definitely going to be jailed for polygamy 😃 And for once, he does not have my sympathy at all.... bhugto tum apne karmo ka phal 😆

2ndly, this show has to be the most tacky one that i've seen regularly or written about.... that entire red flag thing wasnt even unintentionally funny.... i cant even say 'good intentions, bad execution'.... any writer who writes 'bhagodon ki ghanti ke paas ek laal kapda chod aana' has no good intentions to begin with.... cant say 'what were you thinking' becuase obviously you were not thinking at all. Though to be fair things did improve a bit as they went on.... lots of small touches that i liked, not just by Abhimanyu/Gaurav but also by the show as a whole but cannot talk about them individually since this post would then become really long.... will mention one though: the cadets scene, where they talk of how they came to be here, was well done though the light on/off thing was irritating because it was too fast.... needed to be slower.... and perhaps Priyanka should have stopped doing it at all when she was speaking....effects of skillful use of light come on their own, dont need to be forced by constant repetition.... the best use i have seen of this effect in Hindi films was a scene in Dil Se.... but thats another story 😊

And finally, there is absolutely no logic for the cadets behaving the way they did....they love Captain Rajveer a lot and thats great.... but they have never been mean people.... to suddenly show them as being so mean, so thoughless is very unfair to their characters.... koi consistency jaisa kuch hai ya nahi... parson aalekh ka tilak ho raha tha, yudi was praising Abhimanyu in the hunt.... suddenly they are all ignoring him, puja was comparing him to Akshay Kumar.... kuch reason dikha dete iss cheez ka.... aise hi randomly they start.... uffffffffffff!

Ok, back to the analysis... I'm going to do this by breaking it into two:

Abhimanyu: Yes Abhimanyu, especially in the first three episodes that i saw, is insecure.... unsure of his place in the world.... unsure of his ability to occupy the place where he is.... and i love him for that!! Honestly, if you were to ask me right now whom i prefer from Gaurav and Abhimanyu, I would say Abhimanyu.... unlike Samay..... Samay's passion was thrilling, but in real life Abhimanyu is my ideal guy.... charming, tender, passionate about music... and finally a believer in non violence... something that i believe very very strongly in.... and jealousy, insecurity, possessiveness....these are very familiar demons.... i've struggled with them and still struggle with them from time to time.... and i do feel that all of us struggle with these demons regularly or once in a while.... and that the interesting stories are not of the people who never feel these demons inside them but of those who feel deeply, are deeply jealous or insecure, fight it, learn to live with their own selves and grow as human beings in the process.... good and bad are all relative and i'm happy that Abhimanyu is a little bit of both, though i love the character precisely for these follies, for these failings.... makes him a challenge for Gaurav the actor by adding newer layers to the role.

But here's a moot question: Can such a temperament survive in an army?... Realisitically speaking, no. How has someone like Abhimanyu made it so far?.... Army training is structured in such a way that it instills unthinking obedience.... everything else is secondary to that.... 'yours not to question why, yours but to do and die'.... and from an army's point of view, i can understand why unquestioning obedience is necessary.... because it is that which enables survival in critical situations.... when there is uniformity of codes, it is easier to put one's life in the hands of another.... it is easier to kill when one thinks of it as following an order rather than the taking of a life.... i have read narratives of soldiers which say that the nation becomes an abstract concept after a long time at the borders, in the trenches.... after a point, one is fighting simply for one's brother in arms and one's officers.... but as an individual, i am also deeply uncomfortable with the idea of unquestioning obedience.... the army is something that i have very ambivalent feelings about... deep respect for those who embrace it unflinchingly but also a fear of what it does to the human soul.

To come back, Abhimanyu is in that sense a very ambitious character.... i do believe that there may be many soldiers who do not believe in violence... but then that needs to be better etched.... how does his philosophy work in his day to day life for instance.... is that the reason for his being in special intelligence rather than combat?.... but what the team behind the show seems to have forgotten is that one cannot start by showing a character's philosophy in crisis.... one has to establish the character and his philosophy first, then show the crisis.... warna it becomes confusing for an audience... because they see the philosophy/character through the prism of the crisis only...

I also find the teacher student relationship very interesting.... teaching requires a certain kind of persona.... there are borders that are very uncertainly defined.... and for people who are friendly and approachable, who try not to enforce the heirarchies of the teacher-student relationship out of reasons personal or ethical, life can be very difficult at times and students can hurt with the things they say and do.... again, it is an interesting battle..... to remain true to who you are while still winning respect.... lets see how Abhimanyu negotiates this battle.

Gaurav: When i go off for ten days and enjoy myself thoroughly, i forget just how good an actor Gaurav is.... ok this sounds deluded.... what i mean is that i know that he acts well and i enjoy watching his work.... but i forget the little touches, the sudden rush of excitment when you're watching something that shows that thought was put into it.... like all great art, for instance.... you like a certain painting or a movie or a book but when you see it again or read it again you are reminded of all the little touches that you had forgotten.... of the multiple levels at which you had reacted.... sometimes you find something new, sometimes you dont.... sometimes you dont like it.... or like it for different reasons this time round.... similarly, when i saw the scene with Major Nair where Gaurav was silent.... saw pain and insecurity and a desire to believe in the easy answers that Major Nair was providing... as well as resistance, a residual disagreement, a kind of obstinate doggedness to not agree.... emotions very contrary to each other and portrayed without dialogues.... and then the final closing of the eyes to indicate the inevitability of whatever was being said to him.... the excitment of watching good work, good art hit me all over again.

Of course, i reminded myself that he is back to being intense.... and that is his domain.... i want to now see Gaurav do something like Hugh Grant in Notting Hill.... diffidence.... intensity but veiled under layers of being unsure about one's self and being in a situation that turns your comfortable world upside down.... intense without ever deliberately being so.... that would truly demand versatility from him. Ab mujhe yeh dekhna hai.... chalo Gaurav, lag jao kaam pe 😊

Ok, have just discovered that i have only two more episodes to catch up on...courtesy the indian cricket team.... i always knew supporting those guys would benefit me someday 😛.... am off to watch them.... hope they are equally interesting.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Hi Shvetal.... started writing before unpacking... 😉 😛... Somethings never change... 😉 so dun try unnecessarily .... 😃

Haven't seen last few episodes so cant comment on the analysis at all....hope to catch LRL soon in life... 😊
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: superbike

Hi Shvetal.... started writing before unpacking... 😉 😛... Somethings never change... 😉 so dun try unnecessarily .... 😃

Haven't seen last few episodes so cant comment on the analysis at all....hope to catch LRL soon in life... 😊

Teena main sudhra hua bachcha hoon.... unpacking, uske baad watching, and then posting!! Aur jab mujhe naukri se nikaaling, toh bheekh maanging 😆 😆

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: riya_03

nice analyisis ... and most of your points are true ! 😃

Thank you! 😃

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: whynot


And finally, there is absolutely no logic for the cadets behaving the way they did....they love Captain Rajveer a lot and thats great.... but they have never been mean people.... to suddenly show them as being so mean, so thoughless is very unfair to their characters.... koi consistency jaisa kuch hai ya nahi... parson aalekh ka tilak ho raha tha, yudi was praising Abhimanyu in the hunt.... suddenly they are all ignoring him.... kuch reason dikha dete iss cheez ka.... aise hi randomly they start.... uffffffffffff!

Arre Yaar Cadets keep changing here. Its difficult to predict thier mentality, thier thoughts😕

Ok, back to the analysis... I'm going to do this by breaking it into two:

Abhimanyu: Yes Abhimanyu, especially in the first three episodes that i saw, is insecure.... unsure of his place in the world.... unsure of his ability to occupy the place where he is.... and i love him for that!! Honestly, if you were to ask me right now whom i prefer from Gaurav and Abhimanyu, I would say Abhimanyu.... unlike Samay..... Samay's passion was thrilling, but in real life Abhimanyu is my ideal guy.... charming, tender, passionate about music... and finally a believer in non violence... something that i believe very very strongly in.... and jealousy, insecurity, possessiveness....these are very familiar demons.... i've struggled with them and still struggle with them from time to time.... and i do feel that all of us struggle with these demons regularly or once in a while.... and that the interesting stories are not of the people who never feel these demons inside them but of those who feel deeply, are deeply jealous or insecure, fight it, learn to live with their own selves and grow as human beings in the process.... good and bad are all relative and i'm happy that Abhimanyu is a little bit of both, though i love the character precisely for these follies, for these failings.... makes him a challenge for Gaurav the actor by adding newer layers to the role.

GR8 analysis of the character👏






Awsome analysis dear👏

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: CINDRELLA

Arre Yaar Cadets keep changing here. Its difficult to predict thier mentality, thier thoughts😕

GR8 analysis of the character👏

Awsome analysis dear👏

Thanks a million for the appreciation! 😊

As for the ability to analyse Abhimanyu, didnt i say he's my ideal guy?! 😊

I dont think the new track is fair to the cadets.... the writers should not go on changing their characters so randomly.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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👏 👏 👏 nice.....
one request plzz send ur analysis to da djs .......they definitely need it..........
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Wow, your analysis have left me awestruck Shvetalji! 👏 You have pinpointed all the details which make LRL's continuity questionable. I really admire how you break-down the characters and your thoughts on the army were beautifully expressed. 😳 I agree that the regime is tough and i have respect for the soldiers but it is disturbing how people can be shaped to be so rigidly obedient.
I'm appreciating Gaurav as an artist more and more with each episode as he consciously makes an effort to add mannerisms to suit the character's changing moods and expressions. 👏
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Well i saw the next two episodes.... and simply have to say this before the analysis.... why yellow?.... pehle adhm mein yellow car, phir yellow T shirt.... woh bhi jhataak, ganda wala yellow, sunglasses pehen ke dekhna pade aisa yellow.... ufffffffffff!!!!
Also, people who write the script obviously watch very little fotball.... kaam karte hai na, isliye... meri tarah velle nahi hote 😊... but even then what they called strategy is very very basic.... its actually simple football playing and no strategy at all.... strategy usually involves a series of complex moves which involve 4 or 5 positions and usually parts of the field as well.... and its not like i know football inside out.... this is basic knowledge from following the world cup once every four years.... perhaps a basic net search would be good idea the next time they want to incorporate any kind of game or class room teaching!
Also, why such a scary picture of Gaurav in the score sheet?.... there were better shots to pick from.
To come back to the analysis however:
Abnhimanyu: So how is Abhimanyu coping with his demons?.... well, like all of us, he wins some, he loses some.... saying 'all the best' before the match required effort.... but he owed it to himself and so he did it.... in the match he got carried away and fouled.... i do not defend bad or inconsiderate behaviour.... but neither do i judge characters by instances of bad or inconsiderate behaviour..... dont expect sainthood from my heroes....
Anyway, the deadly combination of sport, adrenalin and aggression is interesting by itself....football, to be more specific, encourages a certain amount of violence on field.... in fact, its earns its money through the display and suggestion of this violence.... its primal appeal and excitment come precisely from this rough underside of violence.... and at the same time, this violence is contained by rules and regulations.... never letting it get to the point where the sport would offend and thereby cut off revenues.... but always pushing the envelope further.... always redefining the boundaries of this violence.... This is interesting since then it becomes very difficult to define intentionality... what is jaan boojh ke and what is yun hi on a field when passion and aggression predominate?... what is it that makes Zidane do what he did, what is it that makes your heart ache for him and the lost opportunity though you know the penalty is fully deserved?
To come back to the show, Abhimanyu fouls.... in the heat of the moment and the angst of the situation, he wants to win.... for once in his life not lose and take it sportingly.... be more than just a spectator.... and this makes him thoughless, cruel almost.... very unlike Abhimanyu so far.... but i do not think that this one action/scene ruins abhimanyu's character.... its a weak moment.... and we all have weak moments when we are thoughtless and cruel.... what i loved about the scene was the immediate emphasis on how hollow this victory is... i think Gaurav did this scene very well.... the jubiliation of winning, and not a shared victory but a personal one.... and it had to be personal since the faculty was never playing as a team.... they were all doing their own thing.... this personal celebration and then the realisation that the happiness that one gets through this may be at the expense of someone else.... what i loved was that Gaurav did not overdo the regret part of it.... there was no 'oh my god yeh maine kya kiya'.... aise nahi hota.... just the realisation that you have hurt someone (here, literally not just metaphorically!).... and trying to comprehend that, trying to make sense of this new side to you that you have discovered... With the furrowed brows and the tired rubbing of forehead, i almost wanted to say 'hang in there... we've all been there.... you are a better person than this and you will survive this... apologise, be ashamed of it for some days and then get over it.... dont let this become who you are.... let this be something that you leave behind'....
The ability to hurt people is so very seductive.... especially when one feels misunderstood. I couldn't wait to see the next episode, to see where this would take Abhimanyu.... would he continue enjoying the power to hurt?.... or would he fight the demons within? or would he simply still live from day to day, as he has been doing for the past 2 3 days....
Well Abhimanyu is not in the mood to be relenting or accept things said to him anymore... must say that the delayed letter bit was worthy of a soap opera.... but the rest of the scene was surprisingly well written.... Abhimanyu feels the world is against him.... has misunderstood him forever and for always!....but almost all people, especially senstive ones or maverick ones, end up feeling this once at some point of time or the other in their lives.... yes there is an element of exxageration here, alongwith an element of truth.... so this is how he is going to be for sometime.... good.... but i really want to see whether this is going to become a permanent feature of his personality or not. I'm already missing the sunny Abhimnayu.... will miss his democracy and peace loving nature as well.... but since he's not a real life person, 😉 will enjoy the character however he develops.
Incidentally, KMA mein constanly aisa kuch na kuch hota hai jisse Capt Rajveer and Abhimanyu are placed in competition with each other.... this academy has no concept of utilising its manpower through greater bonding and teamwork!
Finally, the yellow is forgiven.... because of the black! 😊
I found the scene in the locker room very interesting... i liked the way Gaurav showed hard, cold anger.... the kind of anger that is resentful and wants to lash out.... wants to be heard.... this is the kind of anger where the sense of injustice is so strong that its impossible to stay quiet.... and i will repeat that usually in such circumstances there is a little bit of everything: a little bit of truth, (the cadets have been unfair to him) lack of perception (for instance, Abhimanyu is blind to Capt Rajveer's concern in this scene), lack of judgement (at this point, he cannot tell right from wrong and trusts no one), sense of injustice (this has been happening to me all my life and it is unfair), exxageration (the world is never as consciously against us as we feel, partly because it isnt even aware of our existence 😉), the desire to taunt, to hurt (hum prince hai, yeh problem hai?), petulance, indifference, sarcasm ....
To digress completely, i feel these are the moments when what the other person needs most to hear is 'you're being completely unreasonable but i still love you' with a big hug to accompany it.... and it is in such moments of wallowing in self pity that we most need friends to be kind to us, to understand.... unfortunately, it is also in such moments that other people least understand because it is true that one is being unreasonable.... thats the root of so much conflict in so many relationships. Anyway, will leave the lecture here.... though i think the interpersonal dynamics of this friendship are interesting, as is, so far, the character of Abhimanyu.
Gaurav: Ab Abhimanyu ke analysis mein tareef kar di na.... subah ki post mein bhi kar di.... bus ek din ke liye bahut ho gaya! Upto his usual level of competence i.e. very good.... see how quickly i get used to the usual level! Seriously though, 'he, he's good'.... said in a very Marlon Brando kind of way! 😊
Edited by whynot - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_chilly

👏 👏 👏 nice.....
one request plzz send ur analysis to da djs .......they definitely need it..........

Thank you!

Send it... hmmmm.... while i too think they need it and i love telling people what to do 😉 😆, i honestly do not think that they would take one random of post of one random person into account!

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