An idiosyncratic analysis

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Two episodes with a lot of Gaurav scenes and still i didnt write anything... well Depp, my one true love 😛, was calling... So today i can return to Gaurav, my second true love... third actually.... since Pacino is always around and i'm sure is going to steal the show in ocean's 13!!

Chalo i'll stop being e news and get down to the topic in hand...

First, some general elitist ranting ... why does everyone on this show use the word 'anyways'... no such word in the english language people... please stick to 'anyway'.... it jars less on the ears.

Also, for someone who goes biking and all, Kunal Kapoor does a good enough job of playing the fool... in fact, i would have liked him yesterday but he killed it... by making a complete 'falooda' of things.... its Feluda, felu, not falooda... nahi pata toh mat bolo.... par aise Satyajit Ray ka kachra toh mat karo... Gaurav also grandly declared 'elementary Watson'.... what happened to the 'elementary my dear watson'?....

I know, i know.... i sound so school marmish and prim and proper... but i love the detective genre.... whether in books, films or tv... whether holmes, poirot, miss marple, bond, byomkesh bakshi, feluda, karamchand, the 3 investigators, isabel dalhousie, bond, inspector frost etc etc (can go on and on but will have mercy on people)... and i hate it when people get it wrong... falooda bana diya mere Feluda ko... incidentally, for those who have seen Parineeta, the guy who played Saif's father, is the guy who plays Feluda in the Bengali tv series... i havent seen it but i've heard he's done a brilliant job there...

Waise to give Kunal his due, i liked the way he did that 'it went from here... i felt it' in a fumbling way... i think the entire scene where he realises that there are traps was well done.... waise why do they show the cadets as this dumb?... why cant they realise that there is a trap, that something is wrong? Also mr dialogue writer, i have learnt for all eternity that a hawk is a baaz and a dove is a kabootar... ufffff.

But my wannabe detective soul feels that all such chase scenes must be fun... it must be fun to do them, its fun to watch them... and thats why i dont really care about the glitches... i still enjoy all such sequences..

the scene where Gaurav asks Huda to go with Yudi was an interesting one... the way i see it, it was not about who goes with Naina... it was about establishing command, about not letting Huda decide what will happen... it was just a reversal of his decision... its a power play between two men... Abhimanyu can claim the status of a teacher and thus impose his authority... but he doesnt do that... instead he reminds Huda that the final decision rests with him and very politely puts him in his place... firmly but pleasantly... while huda is petulant, which is what i expected him to be.... i like the interaction between these two men, i want to see where it is going.

Incidentally, the 'mere pair jawab de gaye hai'... 'toh aur sawaal puchiye unse' was really a bad joke... but bilkul mere type ka joke tha... i love such stupid jokes and i know you do too Teena so admit it 😉 😆

When Abhimanyu said 'shayad isiliye', i thought he would say then 'shaayad isiliye naveen asked rajeev to kill him'... i cannot figure out what the guy's attitude to his best friend's death is... is he ok with Rajeev being the killer? is he not? this is the part that i'm most interested in watching over the coming few weeks... if they do this badly, i'll disown the show completely.

Another aside: i think that 'geet gaata chal banjaara' is a nice name for Abhimanyu 😛... ironic really considering that he is a prince but somehow suits him...

And now the much maligned last scene 'meri aankhon mein dekhiye' scene... I've heard people berate it for being too romantic and on the other side of the fence, for not being romantic enough or intense enough... well i do not think it was a romantic moment... there is so much more to human relationships than just friendship or romance and this scene was one such tender moment... it was a moment when Abhimanyu opened his heart to Naina... tried to make her see the world the way he sees it.... she was upset and also slightly hysterical... but it wasnt simply calming her down... it was that and at the same time letting her inside his world... a bridge has definitely been crossed, she has moved beyond being only Naveen's sister... she's definitely got more insight into Abhimanyu, as have we, the audience.

As for it not being very romantic or intense, (and Teena i know you feel that way), i dont think it was meant to be very intense... as i wrote yesterday in a different post, we all (including Abhimanyu) can have Samay like, larger than life moments... but we cannot live at that pitch of intensity forever... Abhimanyu is less intense, though no less ernest... and this was not even a larger than life moment in his life... but you know i feel that it is moments like these when we truly reach out to one another, when we let other people come closer to us... it is as much in such small moments that life long relationships, and not necessarily only romantic ones, are built as in the big, declaratory moments.

Chalo will give this thesis a rest here now. Ya have one more episode to go but will try and add a shorter post to this same topic.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Woh! 👏 Gudd..actaully u right Abhi did ans bak in a sweet way...but Huda din tak eit tat way...coz he luvs his phoolan nd cant take any chances wid dat....!!! 😳 😳
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: *mansibhatia*

Woh! 👏 Gudd..actaully u right Abhi did ans bak in a sweet way...but Huda din tak eit tat way...coz he luvs his phoolan nd cant take any chances wid dat....!!! 😳 😳

Hey thanks for reading.

As for Huda, he wouldnt take it any other way at his age and his level of maturity... but he'll grow up!!

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Well here's the next episode...
Again, personal preference... i like those scenes more where Gaurav keeps his voice low... i like those scenes less where he has to scream or go on a hectoring spree... i've always liked scenes where he's gone silent, low or calm in the middle of an emotional scene... examples from adhm rush to mind but i'll control my digressions 😊... which may also be why i liked the sunset scene... because the tone of his voice was low throughout... and i like the reassurance he brings to her, saying we will solve our problems ourselves.
The scene where the tape falls and the whole Naveen's death is played all over again was very filmy... but good for people like me who have no clue what happened in the first season... but what a powerful tape, ki tootte hue bhi bajta raha!
I find the Aalekh Naina equation very interesting... what has happened there?... clearly, Naina is a great role... she has well-charted relationships with almost everyone... which came out in the scene in which she was crying... all of them felt for her... and two of them tried to console her... to inspire that kind of loyalty is amazing.
In the last scene, where they are trying to decipher the... ahem... Egyptian hieroglyphics (will they show a mummy next?!), i loved the way Gaurav said 'expertise'.... muaaah... dil khush kar diya...
Also, whoever's writing the story... this code is very stupid... please come up with something better for Naveen's message... do something more credible at least.
And finally, so Rajeev has connections in high places too... 'sau khoon maaf'... so is Abhimanyui really ok with Naveen's death?... i think that was an interesting point to stop at, though i'm sure they'll make it one more of his quips kind of thing next week... i'm beginning to enjoy these asides and little flashes of sobriety in Abhimanyu... hope they stay.
Here's to more interesting stuff next week.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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[Quote=whynot] the scene where Gaurav asks Huda to go with Yudi was an interesting one... the way i see it, it was not about who goes with Naina... it was about establishing command, about not letting Huda decide what will happen... it was just a reversal of his decision... its a power play between two men... Abhimanyu can claim the status of a teacher and thus impose his authority... but he doesnt do that... instead he reminds Huda that the final decision rests with him and very politely puts him in his place... firmly but pleasantly... while huda is petulant, which is what i expected him to be.... i like the interaction between these two men, i want to see where it is going. [/Quote]

I agree and wld like to add that Abhi has a mission and thats why he wants to be with Naina. there is a purpose behd his interest. Huda wants Naina and is dejected of loosing her again and again. Its more like I cannot lose.

[quote=whynot]When Abhimanyu said 'shayad isiliye', i thought he would say then 'shaayad isiliye naveen asked rajeev to kill him'... i cannot figure out what the guy's attitude to his best friend's death is... is he ok with Rajeev being the killer? is he not? this is the part that i'm most interested in watching over the coming few weeks... if they do this badly, i'll disown the show completely.[/quote]

From what has been shown I conclude Abhi feels bad for Naveen's death. But he is trying to explore or decipher something. what remains to be seen. He is not personally in like or dislike of someone except may be Nandini.

[quote=whynot] Another aside: i think that 'geet gaata chal banjaara' is a nice name for Abhimanyu 😛... ironic really considering that he is a prince but somehow suits him...[/quote]

I actually found in it in bad taste.🤢 both for an army officer and a prince

[quote=whynot]And now the much maligned last scene 'meri aankhon mein dekhiye' scene... I've heard people berate it for being too romantic and on the other side of the fence, for not being romantic enough or intense enough... well i do not think it was a romantic moment... there is so much more to human relationships than just friendship or romance and this scene was one such tender moment... it was a moment when Abhimanyu opened his heart to Naina... tried to make her see the world the way he sees it.... she was upset and also slightly hysterical... but it wasnt simply calming her down... it was that and at the same time letting her inside his world... a bridge has definitely been crossed, she has moved beyond being only Naveen's sister... she's definitely got more insight into Abhimanyu, as have we, the audience. [/quote]

The scene where he tells Naina to close eyes was great. He screamed and then calmed down. Brilliant.👏 There wasnt any amorous feelign in hugging Naina it was simple consoling to calm her down. But then they exagerrated it by "jungle ki awaaz" stuff that was bad. Directors please note How not to spoil a great scene. Abhi is not gonna open his heart so soon. It wld probably be revealed in stages. May be Nandini will provide the trigger.

Regd Naina they have turned her into the typical heroine of hindi movies desired by all men in the movie.

Edited by spian - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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i love abhi's character. gaurav has done a good job. he acts well. also it can be seen that raj and abhi r opposites. raj is more subtle, gentle, shy,introvert thinks twice before entering into a relationship. he has a soft heart and his way of teaching cadets is through lessons.
abhi - on the other hand is more outgoing. he reaches out to people quickly. and doesn't give a damn to what others think b'coz fhe knows he is not doing anything wrong in hugging naina. she was alone and needed that consolation.see his interaction with naina. she was crying for her bro and he was bold enough to go up and console her. raj would have done the same thing but this time he was the one guilty. besides he wouldn't dare to hug her and console her like that in public. his desperate feelings towards naina and his inability to reach out to her is all caught in that one scene.

the main difference betn abhi and raj is that abhi will never let his cadets command him or even oppose. he has leadership qualities - no question abt that - i guess its inborn coming from a royal family. he has the power to restrain people from doing things that they r not supposed to and does it quite calmly and effeciently. the way he tackles huda - he does not shout at him or hit him but his voice has a dangerous tinge - don't try to teach me boy i know what i am doing - one wrong move and u never know when abhi will lash out. beware. u have seen the cadets go against raj but abhi's personality is more powerful so any student would think twice before opposing him.

raj on the other hand is friendly which is why he is often taken undue advantage of by everyone. but his method of making the cadets realise that they r wrong is good. his dialogue delivery is perfect and what he says makes sense that no one will argue further with him. he is mr. right and always will be!


huda on the other hand loves naina but is not courageous enought to support her. he can never understand her true feelings, what her heart wants - her love for her bro. huda is more into expressing his own feelings than understaning naina's feelings. huda is young and immature and it will take time to for him to understand the real meaning of a relnship.
of all the people abhi understands naina's feelings and comforts her as a friend. i do not think naina will have romantic feelings for him. she will look up to him more as an elder bro.
her attitude towards raj is different. the silence betn them, the unspoken words all lead to one thing - she loves him. he loves her. she trusts him more than abhi. abhi will be secondary when it comes to trust. she relies on raj's support even now and still trusts him. she knows he will never let her down.
huda is just another friend for naina who will save her from troubles.
but alekh is the most loyal friend who can read her mind better than anybody else. he is the silent supporter who helps her even if she doesn't ask for him and naina too trusts him but after raj as he cannot help her out in all sticky situation like raj does. alekh naina are meant to be the best of friends.

Edited by anujkpjk - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: whynot

Well here's the next episode...
Again, personal preference... i like those scenes more where Gaurav keeps his voice low... i like those scenes less where he has to scream or go on a hectoring spree... i've always liked scenes where he's gone silent, low or calm in the middle of an emotional scene... examples from adhm rush to mind but i'll control my digressions 😊... which may also be why i liked the sunset scene... because the tone of his voice was low throughout... and i like the reassurance he brings to her, saying we will solve our problems ourselves.

I like the scenes where he performs well. The scene where he tells Naina to calm down he screams first then lowers his voice. That was brilliant. He looked into her eyes straight, piercing thru. 👏


Originally posted by: whynot

The scene where the tape falls and the whole Naveen's death is played all over again was very filmy... but good for people like me who have no clue what happened in the first season... but what a powerful tape, ki tootte hue bhi bajta raha!

Yes that was funny😆. Reminds me of "Ja ko rakhe Sai yan maar sakhe na koi!

[quote=whynot]I find the Aalekh Naina equation very interesting... what has happened there?... clearly, Naina is a great role... she has well-charted relationships with almost everyone... which came out in the scene in which she was crying... all of them felt for her... and two of them tried to console her... to inspire that kind of loyalty is amazing.

Alekh is true supporter of Naina and is always there for her. No ques asked.Actually he is loyal cant say the same abt Naina.

Originally posted by: whynot

In the last scene, where they are trying to decipher the... ahem... Egyptian hieroglyphics (will they show a mummy next?!), i loved the way Gaurav said 'expertise'.... muaaah... dil khush kar diya...
Also, whoever's writing the story... this code is very stupid... please come up with something better for Naveen's message... do something more credible at least.

ahem the Egyptian codes🤣. Please scriptwriters watch Discovey or History channel for some credibility and say inspiration😉.😆


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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: anujkpjk

i love abhi's character. gaurav has done a good job. he acts well. also it can be seen that raj and abhi r opposites. raj is more subtle, gentle, shy,introvert thinks twice before entering into a relationship. he has a soft heart and his way of teaching cadets is through lessons.
abhi - on the other hand is more outgoing. he reaches out to people quickly. and doesn't give a damn to what others think b'coz fhe knows he is not doing anything wrong in hugging naina. she was alone and needed that consolation.see his interaction with naina. she was crying for her bro and he was bold enough to go up and console her. raj would have done the same thing but this time he was the one guilty. besides he wouldn't dare to hug her and console her like that in public. his desperate feelings towards naina and his inability to reach out to her is all caught in that one scene.
huda on the other hand loves naina but is not courageous enought to support her. he can never understand her true feelings, what her heart wants - her love for her bro. huda is more into expressing his own feelings than understaning naina's feelings. huda is young and immature and it will take time to for him to understand the real meaning of a relnship.
of all the people abhi understands naina's feelings and comforts her as a friend. i do not think naina will have romantic feelings for him. she will look up to him more as an elder bro.
her attitude towards raj is different. the silence betn them, the unspoken words all lead to one thing - she loves him. he loves her. she trusts him more than abhi. abhi will be secondary when it comes to trust. she relies on raj's support even now and still trusts him. she knows he will never let her down.
huda is just another friend for naina who will save her from troubles.
but alekh is the most loyal friend who can read her mind better than anybody else. he is the silent supporter who helps her even if she doesn't ask for him and naina too trusts him but after raj as he cannot help her out in all sticky situation like raj does. alekh naina are meant to be the best of friends.

Very well written👏 and I agree with most part of your analysis. The points I differ are Capt Rajveer is not introvert but at the moment he feels guilty. Actually he conveys his feelings more than Abhi who is very to the point. There is always a purpose in his words.

Rajveer wld not hug Naina becoz of fear of disclosing his secret feelings for her. And possible that Naina looks upto Abhi as a bro.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: spian

I agree and wld like to add that Abhi has a mission and thats why he wants to be with Naina. there is a purpose behd his interest. Huda wants Naina and is dejected of loosing her again and again. Its more like I cannot lose.

I agree that Huda has the attitude of 'I cannot lose Naina'... i'm looking forward to finding out this mission that you are sure that Abhi has 😃

From what has been shown I conclude Abhi feels bad for Naveen's death. But he is trying to explore or decipher something. what remains to be seen. He is not personally in like or dislike of someone except may be Nandini.

Spian tumhaari conspiracy theory is so certain that i've come to believe it too. I actually found in it in bad taste.🤢 both for an army officer and a prince

Thats spoken like a true Gaurav fan!!

The scene where he tells Naina to close eyes was great. He screamed and then calmed down. Brilliant.👏 There wasnt any amorous feelign in hugging Naina it was simple consoling to calm her down. But then they exagerrated it by "jungle ki awaaz" stuff that was bad. Directors please note How not to spoil a great scene. Abhi is not gonna open his heart so soon. It wld probably be revealed in stages. May be Nandini will provide the trigger.

Regd Naina they have turned her into the typical heroine of hindi movies desired by all men in the movie.

I agree that the jungle ki awaaz killed it to quite some extent... as for entirely knowing Abhi or his heart, i too think it will take time... we've seen a little bit of him, we'll get to know it in stages.

Yes Naina is attractive to all... but thats hardly surprising considering the enclosed world they live in.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: anujkpjk

i love abhi's character. gaurav has done a good job. he acts well. also it can be seen that raj and abhi r opposites. raj is more subtle, gentle, shy,introvert thinks twice before entering into a relationship. he has a soft heart and his way of teaching cadets is through lessons.
abhi - on the other hand is more outgoing. he reaches out to people quickly. and doesn't give a damn to what others think b'coz fhe knows he is not doing anything wrong in hugging naina. she was alone and needed that consolation.see his interaction with naina. she was crying for her bro and he was bold enough to go up and console her. raj would have done the same thing but this time he was the one guilty. besides he wouldn't dare to hug her and console her like that in public. his desperate feelings towards naina and his inability to reach out to her is all caught in that one scene.
huda on the other hand loves naina but is not courageous enought to support her. he can never understand her true feelings, what her heart wants - her love for her bro. huda is more into expressing his own feelings than understaning naina's feelings. huda is young and immature and it will take time to for him to understand the real meaning of a relnship.
of all the people abhi understands naina's feelings and comforts her as a friend. i do not think naina will have romantic feelings for him. she will look up to him more as an elder bro.
her attitude towards raj is different. the silence betn them, the unspoken words all lead to one thing - she loves him. he loves her. she trusts him more than abhi. abhi will be secondary when it comes to trust. she relies on raj's support even now and still trusts him. she knows he will never let her down.
huda is just another friend for naina who will save her from troubles.
but alekh is the most loyal friend who can read her mind better than anybody else. he is the silent supporter who helps her even if she doesn't ask for him and naina too trusts him but after raj as he cannot help her out in all sticky situation like raj does. alekh naina are meant to be the best of friends.

hey this is very well written. its a very good analysis of all concerned. 👏 👏

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