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Wanderbug

@Wanderbug

Dazzler

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Posted: 13 years ago

Howdy!!!

Been away so long that it feels like a new place now...

Just this evening after coming home from office i switched the TV and caught a scene of a super popular soap which has this super popular bahu. It seems that the this bahu has left the show to shake a leg and the production has brought in a relatively fresh face as replacement... though i have never seen this show..the story seemed all too familiar to me...

But what i have been wondering and what i have been stressing on since we heard of MR leaving and Shabbir stepping in..is that what is better for the production and the viewers an EX or an AXE..

A show is remarkable due to its plots its handling but more often then not its popular because of its characters rather the actors playing this character..it doesn't mean that it has to be the leads...Kausauti shot to fame with its flamboyant and flashy 'Komolika' and that character was made so memorable by Urvashi...some might say that komolika made urvashi famous...or it might be the other way round...its one of those question of egg and chicken.

Similarly every long running show has its own character/ actor which makes it famous. Viewers wait with baited breath even in the most Cliche scenes for these actors to mouth the almost same kind of dialogues but in their own way...

whether its Maan catching hold of a tripping geet(Geet)...or whether its Arnav falling down with khushi (Iss pyar ko kya naam Doon)in his arms..whether its Tulsi fighting with her Sauten(there were too many and it was too long back for me to remember name) or whether its Mona standing against Anu(Kya hua tera wada)... We see the same scenes and the same dialogues yet these shows do good.. because some how despite being the old wine in new pack...these new packss read actors have made their way in viewers heart.

So when an actor decides to move on...or if the Production house have their differences...is it really benficial for the production to bring in a new actor for the same role.

Its hard to forget the Ex.. Once an actor plays a character.. he/ she becomes it...how can another replace them. it seems a injustice to all concerned..more often then not soon after the replacement the TRP drops and the show is axed.

This leaves a bad taste in mouth as the story never sees the real completion as it was meant to have.

Like every job in this industry as well the actors and production both have ample notice before either walks off ...so isn't it better to bring the show to a logical end and use the money spent in dragging a dead horse in making a new show.

I know that starting a new show is a much costlier venture...but the if the show is being dragged does it really yield that much as profit..

Doesn't the dropping TRP mean less viewership and which results in less profit of the show...isn't that the reason why so many shows get the AXE soon after the most popular actors in it become the EX.

So like the egg-chicken question...i have another one...which do you think is a better option the EX or the AXE?

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prettywoman

@prettywoman

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

its been ages since i came here.. feeling all nostalgic esp reading your posts brings back so many memories of when we all discussed so many things here...

i too read about this but was spared the scenes coming on TV as that would be full of masala na ;-) I read that other actors like Karan Tacker, Sanaya etc wanted to also participate in JDJ, but cos of SP's clause they decided to stick with their shows..a wise move do we conclude? cos as u have said these actors probably realise and understand that the character is synonymous to their popularity.. as much as the character is used to that face it is equally true the other way too..but these people decided to sick with their shows and play safe...Only time will tell what happens to the other show..it depends to some extent on the storyline too i feel shilpi.. it will be hard for viewers to accept a new face but if the story is engaging, dont you think people might just carry on and not really miss the EX.. but again unless the new actor puts his life n soul into the performance like the EX, irrespective of how engaging the storyline is, viewers may disconnect from the show na..again a classic case of chicken or egg ;-P

in MR's case, we know the replacement(s) never could match upto the intensity and nuances that he brought to character.. plus story took a beating as well.. so it was sure to fail..and i would have definitely preferred the AXE rather than the EX .. at least it will leave pleasant memories rather than bitter feelings..

in most cases I think i personally would prefer the AXE unless

1. there is a lot more in the story and it can be told creatively and engagingly.

2. EX leaves on his own for whatever reason and leaves PH with no choice as its also a case of other livelihoods. u have mentioned correctly that starting/establishing a show is not a joke..

But can we think of BV as an example where in spite of th face changing when Anandi becomes older, the show still maintained its popluarity.. would this be a case where the character had more hold over the viewer than the actor(s)? How is Kuch Toh Log Kahenge doing after the lead was changed? any ideas?

interesting read and a very relevant topic in the TV business..

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Aneesa

@notsorry

Explorer

Posted: 13 years ago

@Shilpita and Vandana. As DD said in her Nostalgia thread about "telepathy" and just how many old-timers can her thread bring out, well I for one showed up suddenly just by checking on Zuby's b'day thread I started and since I am here and found some of the other old-timers I will respond to this thread too. Don't know much about serials as I have never watched any before LTL1, Western nor Indian but if other serials are anything like LTL beyond March 28th 2011 then I say Axe because my humble opinion is that when heart and soul are put into the characters the audience connect the characters' with the actors/actress portraying the part. Aneesa

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Wanderbug

@Wanderbug

Dazzler

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Posted: 13 years ago

@vandu BV had its low phase but they struck to the motto of the show ...to show the ill-effects of child marraige..which needed a leap to bring out mature outlook. Ne jagya and anandi were not accepted overnight...but then PH had a good strategy..they teased teh audience with a poll as to who they want as older anandi...plus they started out with building their older avatars as just the continuation of their younger avatars...it was not really a matter of replacement but a coming of age thing. My point was not the leap strategy that PH favors so...

KTLK had not suffered much i feel as the show was comparatively new and had not that much presence...though i have seen a few episodes i felt i was watching a completely new character rather than the same ashutosh...also the show has been shifted from prime time to a later night slot...which might mean drop in its TRP.

The Story of LTL had taken a beating long before MR left...infact since the Ganesh chaturti plot the show had seen a downhill that it never emerged from. IMO

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nimmi

@Banjaaran25

Rocker

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Posted: 13 years ago

hey shilpita!

good to see you here after long time😊!

a very thought provoking and relevant topic.👍🏼!

Replacement of a popular actor.. very dicey issue. but it can be simplied.

a. the serial is dragging for years, the actors are stagnating, story going in circles... actors wants to jump the ship... then AXE... gracefully.

b. story has got LIFE. it is in its prime but actors wants to leave for better projects or personal reasons.. then EX. .. bring in a good replacement, keep the grip on the story and dont tamper with the flow of the serial.

c. Classic example of what NOT to do... Journey of LTL to LCL.

keep viewers in dark, bring some random guy instead of replacements, then bring in replacement after months but dont focus on him, turn the characters on head and simply kill the story... in the case Viewers will AXE the show.

a simple solution to this problem will be.. Set time frame for any serial. One year or Two year. beginning, middle and end. No random tracks and lets see what works..

proper contract with actors till that period...

Both parties .. actors and PH show loyalty to viewers..

End the serial when the going is good. Intelligent viewers will thank you..

kyunki saas era of 8 years serial is over. ofcourse actors overpowers the character sometimes but if the story is good the replacement period can tide out. may be not the same zenith but will live. But kill the story and viewers will Axe the show.

a little loyalty from actors, a little understanding from PH and proper closure to the story either ways😊.. let there be no heartbreaks.

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kiran255

@kiran255

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

Coming to forum after ages but Shilpi u just make everyone to force their mind to think ,

hmm Axe or EX

i think this question can not be answered or u can never have a hundered percent results on it ,

WIth LTL case it should have been simply Axe ,

come on see MIshal acting and Dutta character ,

it legendary , Mishal played it so well that no one can do it ,

this ws a custom made character for him ,

But i also think the story was handled badly really ,

if Dutta exit be shown as dead and Naku becoming the Patilwadi queen and stays alone all the time ,

i would have watched it

but when they just put a new cast and new male ,its just simply a disaster !

sometimes it does work but im nt very sure of it ,

Cvs are intelligent ppl they need to make sure what they are opting for !

and lastly i believe har cheez ka ek time hota hai ,

our priorities change , we chnage ,

we dont laugh on same jokes forever , all things need to end so for me if a show has done more than a year in good run and dont know which way to run

its better to close it then just beat about the bush !!!!

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nimmi

@Banjaaran25

Rocker

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: shilpita87
@vandu BV had its low phase but they struck to the motto of the show ...to show the ill-effects of child marraige..which needed a leap to bring out mature outlook. Ne jagya and anandi were not accepted overnight...but then PH had a good strategy..they teased teh audience with a poll as to who they want as older anandi...plus they started out with building their older avatars as just the continuation of their younger avatars...it was not really a matter of replacement but a coming of age thing. My point was not the leap strategy that PH favors so...

KTLK had not suffered much i feel as the show was comparatively new and had not that much presence...though i have seen a few episodes i felt i was watching a completely new character rather than the same ashutosh...also the show has been shifted from prime time to a later night slot...which might mean drop in its TRP.

The Story of LTL had taken a beating long before MR left...infact since the Ganesh chaturti plot the show had seen a downhill that it never emerged from. IMO

@red..

agreed! but after FR of naku the cracks were wide open for whatever reasons. Mahi's acting was mostly flash in the pan.never understood the logic of Dutta on fan heck the entire blind track😕, the point of yeh tera ghar mera ghar no one lived in..

and kala and dutta face off was so lame(damn! it could have been mindblowing)

this case i would have recommended a big AXE. they lost the grip on the story. Mostly Mishal's performance kept fans like me coming back.

after 28th march... the serial just Tanked..

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TheRager

@TheRager

Achiever

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Posted: 13 years ago

I feel this is a chicken and egg situation. Actors get bored of playing the same character for years. After a point they probably just do their job as manual labor instead of enjoying the creativity of their profession. On the other hand if the story is strong then the viewers and everyone connected with it would like it to be continued to be told.
IMO everyone should get the liberty to do what they want as long as they are going about it in an ethical manner whether its an actor or channel or production house. In this context Mishal was ethical in the manner he left. He gave a notice and let the makers decide what they wanted to do with his character during his notice period. But what happenned to Jia Manek was unethical on both ends. She had a contract which she didnt honor and the channel tried to keep her away from looking out for herself.

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sana

@--ambar--

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

well chiken n egg situation perfect words...

first of all there are only few actors who actually take acting seriously ..those really work hard for eastablishing there acting ability and creativity...(there is no need to tell that mishal is one of the )..abt gia manek scenario its highly unprofession and unfair to viewers,,,in some context like you mention KYUN KI ...the show which are just draged aimless and loose there plot are really doing injustice to actors...meanwhile this distrub audience too ended up as low TRPS..

like nimmi said if both PH n ACTORS keep loyalty towards viwer and there creativity..that way when if show last for only year or two but with acording to plot which make audience remember it for long time...for example RISHTA.COM ..was brillent show by rashraj...no extra dragging or unnessary play between charecter...

at end great job shilpita very thought provoke post ..

very intersting reply by other...this is why LTL forum is diffrent from other one...

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.scorpio10

@.scorpio10

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

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Shilpi ...

great to see u back and better , a post from u .

I hrd of the show u talking abt , well the show does make sense to me and the cast ..else sd it better ...

U r ... very show is like a repeat telecast ...only with diff cast and setting ...no diff , whatso ever . I fail what ppl like in them ...The over grown hero or sweeter than honey heroine .

These ppl forgotten how to make good shows ...nd K fever is not only one to blame ...

If someone from the show leaves ...it will effect , if its handled well and the story is strong ...But if the strong is crapped down ...then let it be

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