Epi 314: D-N: The Real Eternal Story

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Posted: 14 years ago

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@Ana: I agree that Supriya and Ravi track ending the way it did was the bitter reality. We have so much of that in...well reality. Personally I look at fiction as an escape mechanism. So in fiction if someone like Supriya-Ravi do realize their mistakes I am all for it. Many aspects of LTL are like a fairy tale. Why cant this aspect be another of them? Even Seema's regret was fairy tale-ish. Fiction give you hope that good eventually wins over evil. Here cant Dutta's goodness win over Supriya's evil selfishness?

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bandbajao

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Posted: 14 years ago

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@Elysia & Kshreya: wow now that is some food for thought! :)
I agree with how beautifully Elysia has explained why Supriya never looked back to see what damage she had done to someone's life - for her D always remained a man unworthy of love or emotions as she could never care... Very true when u say that this is exactly how people are in reality... Never realizing their wrongs. Like i said, i am not sure if the writer is envisaging Supriya in the present scheme of things as it is not connected to her right now...
But, Kshreya dear u have a point when u say that fiction is meant to make good win over evil... And yes, LTL has been a story of change of thoughts for D and to an extent N too... may be some track where Supriya-Ravi get a chance to actually feel some bit of goodness inside D's "otherwise dark" mind, that they have known.

Since we are talking about good winning over evil, why then you think Kala can never change?? Her character, do you think, can ever see goodness? And she for that matter has seen more goodness in D than even Supriya... kala knows D is a good man... So then my Q is, is it about bein selfish and not wanting to see or is it that when you have a "motive", goodness doesn't matter?? Your thoughts... :)

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TheRager

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Posted: 14 years ago

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@BB: You have to give it to Kala...she understands the human mind very well. So whether its Naku or Dutta...Kala recognizes what is good but chooses to ignore it as she thinks her 'cause' is greater than any good Dutta or for that matter Damodar will ever do.
Kala's only weakness has been that she underestimates the power of goodness over evil. So she has chosen the 'evil' way for her cause.

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bandbajao

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Posted: 14 years ago

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@Kshreya: agree with you... So basically we agree that when someone has a "motive" or "cause" that person gets swallowed by evil in such a way that goodness can never help.. Yes for Kala the cause of "avenging" her father's death and the loss of her family has been so blinding that she has disregarded the goodness of everyone around her, ironically including her own "family"!!

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Posted: 14 years ago

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@Ksh: Yes, fiction is fairy tale, but I believe that despite all the fairy tale-ish elements in LTL, the foundation has been actual human conditions that one can relate to real life. There are so many things about LTL that is very much a fairy tale to all of us, but the realistic elements on the show has created just as much intensity and been thought-provoking. There's usually betrayal in a fairy tale, but betrayal itself (as Jagtap put it) is a part of life and thus the fairy tale element is based on the reality of things.

I especially cherish LTL for its realistic elements. You know, having seen Seema turn positive, regret, redeem herself, etc., I feel that it would be right to show that it isn't all women/people who go down the same path as her.

Besides, Supriya has moved on with her life. I just don't see a reason to bring her back just to have her realize what a great man DSP is. In fact, I just feel that the story has progressed and both Ravi-Supriya and DSP have moved on, far beyond each other's reach now.

Another thing is that I don't see Ravi-Supriya as evil per se. I just see them as people who were selfish and in love and chose the wrong means to reach their goal. I don't see this as a "good vs. evil", but just real life playing out. Selfish people made selfish decisions. They're married, they probably have kids and a whole other life now.

I think that as much as we use fairy tale elements on LTL, some things should remain as close to reality as possible as they teach us something about life, about people in this world, about the reality of things. Even fairy tales are based on real life elements. As much as fiction is an escape for some, for others it's a thought-provoking world that reflects real life with a twist and gives us something to ponder about.

I believe that in LTL, good should prevail as it doesn't in real life. But people/characters should be as close to real life as possible, because how else do we relate to them?

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: bandbajao
@Elysia & Kshreya: wow now that is some food for thought! :)
I agree with how beautifully Elysia has explained why Supriya never looked back to see what damage she had done to someone's life - for her D always remained a man unworthy of love or emotions as she could never care... Very true when u say that this is exactly how people are in reality... Never realizing their wrongs. Like i said, i am not sure if the writer is envisaging Supriya in the present scheme of things as it is not connected to her right now...
But, Kshreya dear u have a point when u say that fiction is meant to make good win over evil... And yes, LTL has been a story of change of thoughts for D and to an extent N too... may be some track where Supriya-Ravi get a chance to actually feel some bit of goodness inside D's "otherwise dark" mind, that they have known.

Since we are talking about good winning over evil, why then you think Kala can never change?? Her character, do you think, can ever see goodness? And she for that matter has seen more goodness in D than even Supriya... kala knows D is a good man... So then my Q is, is it about bein selfish and not wanting to see or is it that when you have a "motive", goodness doesn't matter?? Your thoughts... :)

Lovely discussion here😊 Let me put forward my two cents worth😳

I always felt Supriya behaved the way she did not because of the way she perceived D, a man unworthy of love or one who kills people for a living. She was selfish,period. It wouldn't have mattered what sort of person her parents was forcing her to marry. Even if it had been someone like Kishore she would have gone ahead & did what she did to D.The fact that she left her parents to face the music in the house of the gangster she abandoned at the marriage altar is proof of what a filial daughter she is.D did ask for her say in the marriage matter. If she was a decent girl then she would have been brave enough to let D know she loved someone else. She never really knew what true love is.For to know true love one has to be a true person first which Supriya never was.Jo apni Maa-Pita ki nahi hui woh kisi aur ki kya hogi?

Kala is no different from Supriya but her evilness manifested itself in a much grander scale. Supriya wanted Ravi at all cost.The same way Kala wanted everything that D had no matter what the price.D's name, fame,wealth & the most important D's Aayi. I always felt it hurt her D had to come in their life & take away all the attention from her onto himself. She feels she too could have achieved whatever D managed if only he weren't there to do it before.Things got worse when strangers like Patilwadians began deitifying D. I think that really got to her. She wanted all that attention for herself. I noted how she glided among the irate villagers outside the police station where Nakku-Baji went to file Missing Person complaint ,confident she will control the crowd with one wave of hand just like her cousin, D. The ground beneath her feet slipped when people walked past her without even glancing in her direction. That's when she began hounding Sudarshan & Chaskar for D's dead body. All Kala is a very petty & greedy woman just as Supriya was a petty & selfish woman. I don't think there is any cure for these maladies.From what I have seen in real life people who are small usually never give up being small all their life.

Sorry for the rambling.Hope I made some sense.😳

Edited by ZubyDutta - 14 years ago

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TheRager

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Posted: 14 years ago

#77

@Ana: Cant really agree with you...my way of looking at things are different. I dont have the time right now to reply point by point. So I'll just sum up and say lets agree to disagree.

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Posted: 14 years ago

#78

Originally posted by: kshreya2002
@BB: You have to give it to Kala...she understands the human mind very well. So whether its Naku or Dutta...Kala recognizes what is good but chooses to ignore it as she thinks her 'cause' is greater than any good Dutta or for that matter Damodar will ever do.
Kala's only weakness has been that she underestimates the power of goodness over evil. So she has chosen the 'evil' way for her cause.

Word.

Originally posted by: bandbajao
@Kshreya: agree with you... So basically we agree that when someone has a "motive" or "cause" that person gets swallowed by evil in such a way that goodness can never help.. Yes for Kala the cause of "avenging" her father's death and the loss of her family has been so blinding that she has disregarded the goodness of everyone around her, ironically including her own "family"!!

Word again.

In addition, I'd like to say that the turning point in Kala's persona (or the point of no return) was the moment DSP "kicked her out" of his house the first time. That really did it. I mean, before that she was still bad and hurting people, especially DSP, but she didn't try to kill him. The killing thought took root when she lost her high place in his eyes the first time.

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: kshreya2002
@Ana: Cant really agree with you...my way of looking at things are different. I dont have the time right now to reply point by point. So I'll just sum up and say lets agree to disagree.

That's okay, Ksh 😊 We all have subjective views when it comes to LTL and its characters. But thanks for the healthy debate. It's been a while since there's been one on the forum.

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bandbajao

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Posted: 14 years ago

#80

sadly, there is no indemnity in human relationships (read contracts)... There is no assurance that one will be compensated for what one has lost - Kala - for instance. I agree with @Zuby there... She wanted all of D's happiness, his crown, his family - she couldn't get much of anything, though.
@Elysia: i agree that Supriya and D have both moved on, and like i said as of now she doesn't fit into the scheme of things :) however, if there is a potential that the writer feels can be incorporated in the future story to show what happened to Supriya, then perhaps it may be taken forward

As for Kala i myself am really curious to know what she will do next! How long can she lie down like that! :) And, on whose strength will she rely to get back at D and N and the family!

interesting thoughts though... :)

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