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Posted: 8 years ago
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Excellent points, Rose. I especially liked the following statements.

The line between fun and disrespect should never be blurred or crossed.


Unfortunately it will take long time for this message to sink in. I was reading a review of the movie Pink. The kind of comment that was written to that post is testimony to the cheap regressive mentality that our society has.


Even GKB's words are a reflection of our society isn't it? Instead of reprimanding her son for behaving wrongly, she pointed fingers at Elena. Elena dancing does not give your son right to misbehave GKB.And then she stooped further when she provokes her son to take revenge.


I wasn't surprised to see what Radha said. Mother of every rapist says the same. But the bigger fault lies in the society who agree with that kind of mentality or stay silent instead of collectively turning against these kind of people and turn against the victim and her family instead. No one is born as rapist, abusive, jerks. The family, the society, the environment turns a man info rapist, abuser and a jerk.


Ishwari - So according to her, Sona should take care of herself because if the mother is healthy then only the children are.When Sona gets pregnant, then Ishwari will treat her like a queen.So basically Sona is a baby maker for her now.From a toy to a baby maker! Amazing!

Sona was always an object to her. A means to re-establish herself as the Goddess in her son's eyes. That's why I said that if Sona agrees to this marriage because of Ishwari, she will forever be treated like an object. That's why I wanted Dev to win back Sona without Ishwari's interference.

Ishwari, Sona does not have to be the mother of your grandchildren for her to be treated like a queen. Her being your son's wife and becoming a member of your family is reason enough.

Even treating her as a human being with her own identity, hopes, dreams and life would be more than enough. But Ishwari thinks she is God. If Sona treats her like a human being, she will feel threatened.

When you are used to privilege, fairness feels like oppression...


1. Ishwari is not God, she is human.

2. Dev is not her devotee but her son.

3. Sona is not coming between them, her relationship with Dev has a definition of its own.She will be the wife. Ishwari is the mother.There is no competition.


That's what I have been saying all these time. Every relationship has its dignity, rights and limits and no relationship should cross that. If it does, then it starts to encroach on other relationship's dignity, rights and limits. It creates problem in relationships. But Ishwari won't get it until Dev starts treating like a human being with good qualities and flaws. No one is perfect. But Dev still hasn't got it.

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Posted: 8 years ago
#22
You made excellent points. Here's how I interpreted it.

1. Bijoy might have agreed to the marriage because Sona loves Dev and also might believe that Dev loves Sona. But he knows that Dev becomes blind where his mother is concerned and he doesn't trust his mother. Dev might keep Sona happy, but will his family let him by staying out of their business?

I can tell you Gemini. I come from an extremely liberal family. So much so that my Canadian in-laws say that my family behaves and thinks like other Canadian families, not like any Indian family.

All the male cousins in my family are happily married. But I have a lot of female cousins who are either moving into USA or Canada or deciding to stay unmarried because they would rather stay single than marry into a conservative family and lose their freedom.

They date, but can't fall in love because no matter how much they try, they can't find anyone who is as liberal as we are.

One of my cousin, Devyanka, just moved to Washington DC with my husband's help.

So Bijoy is making sure that Sona knows that she will always have her family to fall back on should things go south and that she does not have to compromise her happiness for the sake of the societal norms and standards...

Bijoy will trust him when he sees that Dev has lifted his blindfold where his mother is concerned. Right now that is still not the case.

2. Dev's past track is questionable when it comes to tell the complete truth to his mother without editing the actual facts.

He edits the truth in such a way that if you did not know it already, you will misinterprete the statement in a million ways.

So when the truth of Sona's condition comes out in front of Ishwari, unless Dev clearly tells Ishwari that it was his decision alone to hide the report and that he did not even tell Sona and his family the truth, Ishwari will interprete that Sona made Dev lie to his mother and knowingly hid this news to cheat them.

Vague messages does not work for Ishwari.

3. The pre-nup will compound the issue of broken trust when Sona finds out what Dev has hidden from her. You might forgive one lie looking at the intention. But hard to forgive multiple lies when you are already devastated because then trust comes into question and the validity of a relationship.

The strings have been well tangled and Dev has entered the Chakravyuh of his own creation. But like Abhimanyu, he made his way in, just forgot to make his way out.


Originally posted by: gemini54

I watched the episode and concur with all of you that is was a beautiful one.


Here are a few things that personally stood out for me in the episode.

1. The Bose family dynamics..it was beautiful to watch
2. Bua ji and Easwari conversation

I want to take these two for my analyses and discussion

1. The whole scenes with the Bose family was perfect to say the least. I almost felt I was looking into a real family. It brought tears to my eyes and Sona s scene with her Dad reminded me of mine and my Dads it was that perfect and poignant. Bijoy Bose and Sona slayed that scene amply supported by the rest👏

Here is what was intriguing for me. Bijoy telling Sona that she is always welcome to come home to her Dad when problems arise

Sona questioning Bijoy if he still does not trust Dev for which Bijoy did not answer and Sona reassures him Dev will guard her from problems.

Here is where I think the future will lay:
Will Dev safeguard Sona from troubles..maybe yes to a certain extent but what about when infertility comes up?
Will Sona really able to face her Dad if Dev does not guard her from problems knowing he was against Dev and only agreed for Sona happiness
Will Bijoy ever be able to trust Dev?

2. Bua ji and Easwari conversation...I don't think Buaji is bad just old fashioned what does she tell Easwari that dynamics are going to change after marriage..this maybe fans Easwari insecurities further but more importantly she said saali, father in law etc are ok but flesh and blood are above that ..how will this come to play when Dev does side with Sona family maybe in the future against Vicky?

Mamiji will play role here because we have seen though mamaji scolds Vicky but he is really unable to correct him and Easwari will always be indebted to mamaji for giving them shelter when needed so she will not go against him...will Dev be able to?

For Bijoy to trust Dev Dev needs to prove himself beyond what is depicted until now and until Dev does that Sona will never go back to Dev a second time if separation happens

Easwari will play her cards right and make sure Dev will not be able to make a clear choice.

The pre nup will play a major role in the separation more than infertility . And I think a child and custody may come into play
Thoughts ?



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Posted: 8 years ago
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beautiful post and so true..a new journey ,new relationships ,new challenges,new memories ...

that infertility track was for dev's redemption and pushing ishwari towards her own dark place even more...as someone mentioned she is going to assume that sona made her son lie etc etc...

and as for the pre nup ,ishwari really needs to take sona's signature before wedding for those documents to have any credibility at all...how is that going to play out ..yes most probably sona will see it and confront dev who might realize how his signature came on those papers but still would not tell sona to sav ehis mother's face...but i doubt any seperation is happening coz we have already done that and given this show is a finite series i doubt the makers would go the whole walking out ,realizing pregnant then leap thing...but at the end of the day it is the trps that dictate the storyline...

and true bijoy doe snot trust dev or his family and is not happy about this whole wedding...hence his fear,assurance was very valid..now this journey is also how dev earns his trust

the dynamics of every relation is going to change now...dixit house is going to change now which will make ishwari uneasy and even more insecure...only when dev stands by sona and for her would ishwari be pushed to her own dark place ...so much that she would be blinded by it all and only then would bring her ploy to want sona out of dev's life forever...

also as they have introduced this pre nup so early in the track i doubt it is going to cause any separation at all ,it is to just ge tthe audience hyper and predict the same only to throw a googly at us later...usually how shows work...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Since you made a post, I will comment.
Like I've mentioned in tia's post, it's the goofy manner which was an indication of the friendship they share which hit the right nerve with me. It would have been perfect if later the dance took on a romantic/passionate turn but knowing the CVs it's definitely too much to expect. But I will still watch the dance on loop.
Ishwari and bua's scene really made me throw up in my mouth a little. Tu bte k liye bhagwan hai. Why do the people in this family keep encouraging Ishwari's lunacy??
GKB Vicky convo also made me feel disgusted. I don't know if she was talking about elena or sona.
So Dev decided to stop moping about the future and concentrate on the present. A step in the right direction. But pls Dev, don't get carried away and forget to mention this to your wife post marriage also. The consequences will be disastrous.
I'm not saying much, coz I've started to lose that mad connect I had for this show. Sorry I'm being a spoiltsport.. but the people I regularly interact with on the forum, should know why I'm not commenting on most posts these days!
Your post was on point, my friend, as it usually is :)
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Posted: 8 years ago
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exactly it is a new journey for all three main characters... i have a different perspective regarding the future tracks of the show...
it is going to be a very interesting journey for all three of them...

first of all i feel prenup drama was only for us audience to not forget that ishwari has actually not accepted sona, she is going ahead for her son's happiness and she is still very insecure about it...

infertility track is locked just like dev locked it yesterday, it is locked for now it will come out when cv's will feel the time is right...and i feel it will bring new dimension in all the characters...

i guess first up will be the how these three character will adjust to this new journey... then these problems will arise...

somewhere i feel there will be no separation... there will be problems, they will fight like all married couple, misunderstanding will be there but no separation...

i feel(i will be minority) they are going back to the original script... a journey of three characters and how they will grow...
ishwari growth of coping up with her insecurity...

dev to balance the relationship...

sonakshi to adjust in complete new place and how she will deal with situations...

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Malvika07

Since you made a post, I will comment.

Like I've mentioned in tia's post, it's the goofy manner which was an indication of the friendship they share which hit the right nerve with me. It would have been perfect if later the dance took on a romantic/passionate turn but knowing the CVs it's definitely too much to expect. But I will still watch the dance on loop.
Ishwari and bua's scene really made me throw up in my mouth a little. Tu bte k liye bhagwan hai. Why do the people in this family keep encouraging Ishwari's lunacy??
Exactly! Every person in the house keeps encouraging her lunacy in one form or the other.Even Mamaji who could make her think a bit rationally keeps reminding and comparing their relationship to God-Devotee.
GKB Vicky convo also made me feel disgusted. I don't know if she was talking about elena or sona.
Yesterday was a new low for both these characters.Absolutely disgusting ,cheap and regressive mentality.
So Dev decided to stop moping about the future and concentrate on the present. A step in the right direction. But pls Dev, don't get carried away and forget to mention this to your wife post marriage also. The consequences will be disastrous.
I hope he tells her but with how Cvs are intent to amp up the drama and how Dev keeps the medical files in his side table make me think that it will be discovered by Sona before Dev tells her. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
I'm not saying much, coz I've started to lose that mad connect I had for this show. Sorry I'm being a spoiltsport.. but the people I regularly interact with on the forum, should know why I'm not commenting on most posts these days!
I understand.Subtlety is long lost from the show.Now I just watch with minimum expectations, so when I see something good,I can enjoy it.Though there are moments where drama is too much to digest and makes me wanna throw something at the Cvs.
Your post was on point, my friend, as it usually is :)
Thanks 😳



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Excellent points Gemini and Tia.Tia has covered the Bijoy- Dev equation so I'll give my thoughts on Bua-Ishwari-Vicky scenario.Vicky will definitely do something in the future that will require Dev to go against him and stand by Sona.Will he?I think, yes. But Ishwari will not make it easy for him and neither will GKB. Because for them Vicky is their blood and family and Sona will remain an outsider.

As for the separation, Ishwari will surely use her deadly weapon-Emotional drama, tears and a mother's concern.But if Dev once again makes the same mistake and does not stand by Sona,then he does not deserve to get her back and if he fails to stand up for Sona,then he might as well say goodbye to Sona forever because as Tia mentioned her trust would already have been on shaky grounds after knowing about the infertility and pre nup.

As for children and custody, I can only hope it never comes to that because then the main plot is meaningless.Then the story intended is completely lost and it will become only and only a trp tv soap with overused plot lines.

Originally posted by: tia.o

1. Bijoy might have agreed to the marriage because Sona loves Dev and also might believe that Dev loves Sona. But he knows that Dev becomes blind where his mother is concerned and he doesn't trust his mother. Dev might keep Sona happy, but will his family let him by staying out of their business?

So Bijoy is making sure that Sona knows that she will always have her family to fall back on should things go south and that she does not have to compromise her happiness for the sake of the societal norms and standards...

Bijoy will trust him when he sees that Dev has lifted his blindfold where his mother is concerned. Right now that is still not the case.

2. Dev's past track is questionable when it comes to tell the complete truth to his mother without editing the actual facts.

He edits the truth in such a way that if you did not know it already, you will misinterprete the statement in a million ways.

So when the truth of Sona's condition comes out in front of Ishwari, unless Dev clearly tells Ishwari that it was his decision alone to hide the report and that he did not even tell Sona and his family the truth, Ishwari will interprete that Sona made Dev lie to his mother and knowingly hid this news to cheat them.

Vague messages does not work for Ishwari.

3. The pre-nup will compound the issue of broken trust when Sona finds out what Dev has hidden from her. You might forgive one lie looking at the intention. But hard to forgive multiple lies when you are already devastated because then trust comes into question and the validity of a relationship.

The strings have been well tangled and Dev has entered the Chakravyuh of his own creation. But like Abhimanyu, he made his way in, just forgot to make his way out.


Edited by rose4ever - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Exactly.
As for the regressive mentality, I would say education begins at home so the parents need to look beyond their love for their son and instead of accepting and defending such behavior should discourage it the first time anything happens.And yes the society is to be blamed as well, who turns against the victim, instead of turning against the abuser.

And in the show, as long as Dev continues to see his mother as God, he will never be able to see her mistakes.And Ishwari will continue to consider herself above everyone and will continue to see Sona as a mere object.

Originally posted by: tia.o

Excellent points, Rose. I especially liked the following statements.

The line between fun and disrespect should never be blurred or crossed.


Unfortunately it will take long time for this message to sink in. I was reading a review of the movie Pink. The kind of comment that was written to that post is testimony to the cheap regressive mentality that our society has.


Even GKB's words are a reflection of our society isn't it? Instead of reprimanding her son for behaving wrongly, she pointed fingers at Elena. Elena dancing does not give your son right to misbehave GKB.And then she stooped further when she provokes her son to take revenge.


I wasn't surprised to see what Radha said. Mother of every rapist says the same. But the bigger fault lies in the society who agree with that kind of mentality or stay silent instead of collectively turning against these kind of people and turn against the victim and her family instead. No one is born as rapist, abusive, jerks. The family, the society, the environment turns a man info rapist, abuser and a jerk.


Ishwari - So according to her, Sona should take care of herself because if the mother is healthy then only the children are.When Sona gets pregnant, then Ishwari will treat her like a queen.So basically Sona is a baby maker for her now.From a toy to a baby maker! Amazing!

Sona was always an object to her. A means to re-establish herself as the Goddess in her son's eyes. That's why I said that if Sona agrees to this marriage because of Ishwari, she will forever be treated like an object. That's why I wanted Dev to win back Sona without Ishwari's interference.

Ishwari, Sona does not have to be the mother of your grandchildren for her to be treated like a queen. Her being your son's wife and becoming a member of your family is reason enough.

Even treating her as a human being with her own identity, hopes, dreams and life would be more than enough. But Ishwari thinks she is God. If Sona treats her like a human being, she will feel threatened.

When you are used to privilege, fairness feels like oppression...


1. Ishwari is not God, she is human.

2. Dev is not her devotee but her son.

3. Sona is not coming between them, her relationship with Dev has a definition of its own.She will be the wife. Ishwari is the mother.There is no competition.


That's what I have been saying all these time. Every relationship has its dignity, rights and limits and no relationship should cross that. If it does, then it starts to encroach on other relationship's dignity, rights and limits. It creates problem in relationships. But Ishwari won't get it until Dev starts treating like a human being with good qualities and flaws. No one is perfect. But Dev still hasn't got it.

Edited by rose4ever - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: amaypranay

Lovely post.. Rose:)))

Your as cute as one!!!

Aww, thank you😳


Another seperation please no... But with people like Mamaji and Now Buaji filling Ishwari's ears .. I tell you there no paradise for these two!
Oh there is absolutely no peace anytime soon for these two.Lots of hurdles to cross and lots of drama to be handled.

I cannot believe what Mami told her son today... Can't believe this is how children get spoiled.. There no morals and values.. Seriously take revenge..disgusting!
Exactly.Disgusting.This is the cheap and regressive mentality that needs to change.Blame the victim and then turn against her and plot revenge.I hope the Cvs have planned to deal with this properly in the future.

And what does Bua think... DiL are toys ..I want Dev to stand up for Sonakshi every time she's insulted... Kudos for him today 👏
Yes, Dev needs to take a stand not only in front of GKB but also in front of his mother..Only then will everyone realise that Sona is not just a toy for him, her relationship is not just a temporary phase.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sun29

beautiful post and so true..a new journey ,new relationships ,new challenges,new memories ...
Thank you😊

that infertility track was for dev's redemption and pushing ishwari towards her own dark place even more...as someone mentioned she is going to assume that sona made her son lie etc etc...

and as for the pre nup ,ishwari really needs to take sona's signature before wedding for those documents to have any credibility at all...how is that going to play out ..yes most probably sona will see it and confront dev who might realize how his signature came on those papers but still would not tell sona to sav ehis mother's face...but i doubt any seperation is happening coz we have already done that and given this show is a finite series i doubt the makers would go the whole walking out ,realizing pregnant then leap thing...but at the end of the day it is the trps that dictate the storyline...
With or without Sona's signature, pre nup sure will create some drama. I can only hope that the CVs do not go for another separation track but with so much drama happening, its difficult to say.Pre-nup will surely play a role in making Dev see his mother's intentions and thoughts towards Sona.I hope he finally sees her as a human and not God and finally take the needed steps.

and true bijoy doe snot trust dev or his family and is not happy about this whole wedding...hence his fear,assurance was very valid..now this journey is also how dev earns his trust

the dynamics of every relation is going to change now...dixit house is going to change now which will make ishwari uneasy and even more insecure...only when dev stands by sona and for her would ishwari be pushed to her own dark place ...so much that she would be blinded by it all and only then would bring her ploy to want sona out of dev's life forever...
Yes, Ishwari's insecurities will only flare up now and her scheming will only increase.

also as they have introduced this pre nup so early in the track i doubt it is going to cause any separation at all ,it is to just ge tthe audience hyper and predict the same only to throw a googly at us later...usually how shows work...

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