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dlavanya thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I get what you are saying... but all those instances he just did not agree with his mom's way of thinking and though logically instead of taking care of others feelings.

Proposing to sona - he was living in his bubble that his happiness is mom's happinesss... so there was no conflict in his mind. so it is not a big step for him

Lehenga issue -- again it is a family matter.. brother taking side of Sis going against Ishwari's logic..again all this is with in the family .. so i dont think this is a big step.. the moment she asked if he thinks she is wrong.. he backed off.. All these instances, he did something and then backed off as his mom didnt like his approach..

Here it is like, he found some information from third party and he felt his mom's doing is not correct or did something that would hurt him...this is more like questioning initiated by him..he had too much to digest to further question her rights and wrongs. I am sure he will ask all these questions again in future. but first hand confrontation initiated by Dev is a big deal.

Originally posted by: tia.o

When he befriended Sona and fell in love with her, that was a big step for him too. He had no one outside his family until then. But I don't think today was that big a step for him.

When he wanted to gift Neha her expensive lehenga for her wedding, he not only questioned his mother's decision but defied her to buy the lehenga his sister wanted.

Even though his mother forbade him to offer Ranbir any monetary thing to protect his pride, he again went against her wishes.

So, should I assume in his mind, Sona is an afterthought that he can't even defend her honour?

Where is the so called love now?

If someone else had bad mouthed Sona, won't he beat him up?

Then when his mother did, he could not even admit that it was him to who crossed the boundaries?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I completely agree. Ishwari always had different rules for her son and daughters. She kept denying it but she was just lying to everyone.

But today I couldn't blame Ishwari because Sona is NOBODY to her.

I blamed Dev because he CLAIMED to love Sona and yet he kept silent when Ishwari questioned her boundaries. If Dev's father had questioned his mother's ethics, would he keep silent? If his mother had questioned his sister's honour, would he keep silent?

Loving someone doesn't mean that whatever they say or do is right and you can't defend another person you CLAIM to love.

I don't know how many people are in love here. But I know I love my husband and he loves me. He would never let even his mother question my honour and dignity. That doesn't mean he is not a good son or good person. It just means that he ALSO is a good husband. Just like he won't tolerate me questioning his mother's ethics, he won't do the same with me either.

Fortunately, my mother in law adores me and I love her like my own mother. So he never had to defend any of us. But before our marriage we once had a disagreement but we sorted it out ourselves. He never even thought to break our relationship nor his mother could ask this of him because she knew that he will never in a million years break a relationship for someone else.

It's called making a commitment and being one with the person you love. Like I said, very very disappointed at Dev today.

Originally posted by: randommusings

How conveniently they forgot that Neha fell in love with her teacher...if falling in love at workplace is wrong then wat abt Neha n Ranveer.

N you are right Dev shud hv told her that he proposd Sona, not the other way around. How did he let Ish talk abt Sona's character. Arranging alliance for Sona was one of the biggest mistake Ish did, but Dev was nt even angry. How further low wud Ish has to stoop, so that Dev realises thd truth abt his god.

Hated that Dev stopped Ish n hugged her. Ish deserves complete indifference from Dev.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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So you agree that in his mind family comes first and Sona is an afterthought. I mean if he can take his sister's side to defy his mother for such a trivial issue of a lehenga and he can't even defend Sona's honour, then it's clear where Sona falls in his priority list.

Where's his claim that they are one, not separate if her dishonour is not his dishonour?

If I was a betting person, I'd bet that this discussion won't ever happen again. As it is, he can't open his mouth in front of his mother, I doubt after hugs and saying she did nothing wrong, he will bring up the same conversation again.

That's what I was trying to point out to you. In Dev's priority list, Sona is an after thought.

A man who can't even defend his lady's honour is not a man in my book. It doesn't matter who questioned her honour. But he knows what is being said is wrong, yet he kept silent. If his mother calls his Mama thief and he knows that he isn't thief, won't he defend his Mama?

That means he honours eveyone except the woman he claims to love.

He lost all my respect as a man today.

Originally posted by: dlavanya

I get what you are saying... but all those instances he just did not agree with his mom's way of thinking and though logically instead of taking care of others feelings.

Proposing to sona - he was living in his bubble that his happiness is mom's happinesss... so there was no conflict in his mind. so it is not a big step for him

Lehenga issue -- again it is a family matter.. brother taking side of Sis going against Ishwari's logic..again all this is with in the family .. so i dont think this is a big step.. the moment she asked if he thinks she is wrong.. he backed off.. All these instances, he did something and then backed off as his mom didnt like his approach..

Here it is like, he found some information from third party and he felt his mom's doing is not correct or did something that would hurt him...this is more like questioning initiated by him..he had too much to digest to further question her rights and wrongs. I am sure he will ask all these questions again in future. but first hand confrontation initiated by Dev is a big deal.

Edited by tia.o - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#14
Awesome post.
Simple if dev was strong why would that ishwari be creepy and cunning .
He doesn't say things and his mom is ignorant thinks she is right .
Till he speaks out this won't have closure
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Posted: 9 years ago
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i cant understand why Dev just kept quite and listened to his mum manipulating him
he had a right to argue back and no he acted all sweet around his mum oh gosh she does does not want to see her son happy

im just waiting for the day he stands up to his mum. she is no bagwaan, if she really was she would have wanted her sons happiness


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Posted: 9 years ago
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I have to say That I always look forward to read your posts. Dev mite have failed Sonakshi bt u have never failed in making me look at your perspective in such a classic way that I hate myself for disagreeing with your viewpoint, whenever I do.
Watever u have written is what I agree with but at the same time I have a different perspective to look at today's situation.

Yes u r right..the best way to deal with the situation is jst the way u hv mentioned..as an audience or as someone witnessing this situation from outside, I can't agree more. When I disassociate myself from the situation, I share the same thoughts. This is exactly how Dev shud hv reacted.

But when I associate myself to the situation and get into it, I feel this is how I expected him to react. Dev's character is flawed and why not? We all are in one or the ither way. The way he has been shown since start,his today's reaction was consistent to the behaviour he has been showing. A person can question his god..why me? Why did u do this to me? But can a person confront his god?? No..not from where I see. Just like all other things, this has to be gradual. From my perspective I feel, there has to be a lot happening inside Dev before he goes out and questions his mother. Only when he realises that his mother is no god. He needs to put her into a human's place and accept that she also like others and can have emotions other than love when it comes to her son. She also can go wrong in life. And its not a compulsion to act on something in a way that makes her happy no matter how foolish that act is.
It's important that first he takes full responsibility and accountability of his actions, without giving in to the situation. Only after this, when he first corrects himself and his acts, he should move ahead with bringing Ishwari into the frame. They have done many individual and collective damages, so before moving ahead he needs to correct the damage done solely by him.
And thereafter, He should tackle Ishwari just the way she's doing, I call it being passively aggressive. For me, I think thats how she'll learn her lessons and change. A change that won't be temporary.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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i will be most disappointed if CVs show one episode of Ishwari repenting and begging Sonakshi and her family. what she is and what she has done.. should be a whole track of redemption.
same for Dev.. he can't get away with.. sonakshi loves him, understands him.. so forgave him.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: vibg

i will be most disappointed if CVs show one episode of Ishwari repenting and begging Sonakshi and her family. what she is and what she has done.. should be a whole track of redemption.

same for Dev.. he can't get away with.. sonakshi loves him, understands him.. so forgave him.



I cant agree more..bt before her it shud b Dev..ahe shud come second.
I am currently in agreement with how the story is progressing...everyone is behaving jst the way I expected them to..and so before they show their redemption, The mess that is being created by Dev and Ish is required to b shown.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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unfortunately he thinks he and sona are one... and he thinks even himself after all the family members... so yes... that is where he is as of now... he needs to think about himself then he can start thinking about SOna.

Originally posted by: tia.o

So you agree that in his mind family comes first and Sona is an afterthought. I mean if he can take his sister's side to defy his mother for such a trivial issue of a lehenga and he can't even defend Sona's honour, then it's clear where Sona falls in his priority list.

Where's his claim that they are one, not separate if her dishonour is not his dishonour?

If I was a betting person, I'd bet that this discussion won't ever happen again. As it is, he can't open his mouth in front of his mother, I doubt after hugs and saying she did nothing wrong, he will bring up the same conversation again.

That's what I was trying to point out to you. In Dev's priority list, Sona is an after thought.

A man who can't even defend his lady's honour is not a man in my book. It doesn't matter who questioned her honour. But he knows what is being said is wrong, yet he kept silent. If his mother calls his Mama thief and he knows that he isn't thief, won't he defend his Mama?

That means he honours eveyone except the woman he claims to love.

He lost all my respect as a man today.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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As always, I enjoyed reading your thoughts and opinions. I was disappointed with Dev's behaviour but can't say I expected any different. He has always been weak when it comes to his mother and continued being so even today. I wanted to see everything that you wrote you expected from Dev but I knew the way his character is going, it will only remain an unfulfilled wish.There were signs of him being upset with his mother today, but can we expect or hope for a much needed show down? Will he ever be strong enough for that?

I fail to understand why the makers are so hell bent in showing that the only right way to show your respect and love for your mother is by agreeing and accepting everything she says or not questioning her even though she is wrong. Having a different view from your parents or going against their decisions sometimes does not mean that you value them or respect them any less. And the makers are trying to force justifications of his actions based on this ground.

Dev letting his mother belittle Sona and their love and question her character or morals is such a big disappointment and let down. How could a person who "loves" a girl let anybody point fingers at her? Just how? Dev claims that Sona is his reason of breathing and living, then how can he let his mother insult her this way? He can fight with Sona for his mother but can't do the same for Sona? What kind of love is that? People stand up even for their friends in real life and speak up an opinion different from their parents if required. And here Dev can't stand up for somebody he considers his life, especially when she is the one being wronged.

He is truly the only one responsible for his condition.

Ishwari- I have no words to describe how sick I am of this character. Hypocrite would be right. Not once does she consider that her own daughter did exactly what she is criticising Sona for. Not once does she think that Dev was equally responsible in the relationship(but then why would she when Dev himself is letting her think that for him the relationship had no value). The way she was acting oh so innocent and trying to prove herself right using her well thought dramatic emotions and tears, expecting Dev to melt at the mere sight of it, I felt like throwing something at her at that moment.And her comment about how she too had a relationship or connection with Sonakshi made me wanna puke. Ugh. Disgusting. Beyond irritated with this character.Blind to her son's pain, selfish in her love(Can it even be called love?),stooped to such a low level and still continues to fall further.This has crossed insecurity and entered into evil and insane for me .I know this thread was more about Dev but I couldn't stop myself from adding this.

Edited by rose4ever - 9 years ago

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