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Posted: 9 years ago

In every episode though they show Ishwari as an extreme case, I can also see that they are trying their best to justify her way of doing things.. I wouldn't be surprised if they completely tune every character to play to her way of expectation just because she's a possessive mother with insecurities and jealousy peeping out all because of the son's wrongdoing and his lover's unwanted intrusion between them... And yes, the message is like such mothers exist and one have to be carefully dealing with them... Or even worse that the relatable characters will convince themselves that we are not this bad..🤪

Ishwari's possessiveness is very clean and clear.. No hidden agenda in it... For her Dev is her favorite doll which she doesn't want to share with anyone... And anyone trying to play with it is unbearable for her. And here Sona is trying to own it... 😲 that's very bad isn't it.. How can a loving doll be snatched from the poor mother.. poor Ishu..😆

Ishwari thinks that her love for her is all about possessing him totally.. Unless she knows that she's gonna spoil all her own love in that form, she's gonna continue being possessive.. And unless Dev himself make her know that, she's not gonna stop glorifying her own possessive love for him as if that's the best the mom-son duo have for each other..

I'm surprised that she didn't bring this angle yet - not bringing her own daughters in between them, for want of not spoiling their possessive love and also for not wanting to hurt Dev, sharing her love with the other kids🤣... Or is it still on the cards for the CVs to use as last resort to justify Ishwari...😆

Possessive done.. And solution to it... Let her be that and ensure that the kids take care of that... Because the simple say is "Such mothers exist. It's only a reflection of the same". Take care of them!😆

Then comes insecurity... Her possessiveness without trust on his son, comes out as insecurity. Then it's a problem with her own trust issues and the way she knows her son who can be easily possessed and taken away from her life. If she decides to keep him in her cocoon protectively then she better not send him out of her sight. What's the guarantee that he won't fall in love again for someone else? How many girls will she be fighting with? Isn't it better if she wrap him around her fingertip and set rules for their relationship goals😉?

And any other girl of her choice? Not sure what would be her selection for Dev, if at all she decides to get him married.. 😉If at all with Natasha, Ish would have been more insecure, because they had more chance of losing everything to her. If it had been Natasha's ways, she could have completely controlled everything be it Dev's love or the Dixits' status (financial).. Ishwari had more to lose there.. As Dev could have been made a puppet in Natasha's hands by taking control over his entire kingdom and he made dummy ruler of it... Ishwari wasn't smart enough to understand that then.. 🤪

Insecurity is dangerous to the mother's health.. And solution to it... Let her be well taken care of to ensure that she's not psychologically affected.. Because the simple say is "Such mothers exist. It's only a reflection of the same". Take care of them!😆

Jealous.. Yes Ishwari is jealous.. Because what's hers is always hers.. everyone around better understand that nature of hers and be sensible and sensitive to accept that.. And handle her with care...😆

Ok.. message taken.. Such mothers exist.. very very VERY😆 loud and clear.. so what's next? Just showing them to the audience and the sons/mothers of that sort should relate themselves to it and accept it and handle them with care.. Because they are doing everything for a reason and please be sympathetic towards them.. 😆

Because the show doesn't seem to be taking any direction towards the son himself getting exposed to all this.. Because if that's the plan, then it won't be this extreme of scenes and character assassination of the mother. Because when the son gets to know each and every scene behind these traits of his mother, he can't even stay normal.. being sane is far from actual... Will he be able to see his mother as a mother anymore? And may be to avoid such distorted relationship, by the time he gets to know the reality, the makers may have Ishwari tamed on her own ways and Dev may not even know this face of his mother's. And he may not take any action after all this, being an understanding son, softened by his mother's changed nature accepting his lovelife... And go back to"my mother is the best.. And all it matters to her is my happiness" let's take care of her and handle her with care!!!!😆

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Pehchaan.Kaun

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Posted: 9 years ago

Bang on ! Since long time I was thinking about this, but wasn't able to pen it down !! I am GLAD GLAD GLAD you did it, and oh-so-beautifully 🤗

I just HOPE this show is not about JUSTIFYING such mothers and their outrageous behavior but it's to show them that what they do to their kids (Son and DIL) is just BAD and not appreciable !! This is my primary concern - that I am hoping instead of making Dev and Sona 'adjust' to such unhealthy expectations and keep 'trying' to be fitted into her idea of 'perfect bahu' or whatever, for once in Indian Tele they show Ishwari to be trying to make a perfect MIL.. I am hoping they wont show Devakshi sucking upto Ishwari and 'winning her over' 🤢, instead I am looking forward to see the children's realization and heartbreak on seeing this kind of behavior from their mother and condemning it, I am hoping to see Ishwari's trying to win them over..

My one more concern is - the way CV has gone recently with all OTT things, I hope this doesn't give wrong message to all the MIL viewers who keep taunting their DILs or playing kitchen politics with them over their possessiveness for their sons.. The way this show is showing the extremity of MIL, there is a high chance of this giving them the feel of being superior to Ishwari and self-satisfaction that 'aah, at least I accepted my DIL, didn't torture my son, so I'm better than Ishwari' .. But that's not the primary point of the show.. Taunting the DILs throughout, not accepting them from heart, trying to compare the position of yours with that of your son's wife - everything is wrong.. Ishwari is not a reference to measure the good or badness in you.. Ishwari is a nutcase... So I hope this no way gives you a good feeling and if not Ishwari, the MIL viewers should introspect and realize how bad it looks from a third-angle neutral POV..

My 2 cents.. Again, thanks for your post.. Exactly what I wanted to say !

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun
Bang on ! Since long time I was thinking about this, but wasn't able to pen it down !! I am GLAD GLAD GLAD you did it, and oh-so-beautifully 🤗
I just HOPE this show is not about JUSTIFYING such mothers and their outrageous behavior but it's to show them that what they do to their kids (Son and DIL) is just BAD and not appreciable !! This is my primary concern - that I am hoping instead of making Dev and Sona 'adjust' to such unhealthy expectations and keep 'trying' to be fitted into her idea of 'perfect bahu' or whatever, for once in Indian Tele they show Ishwari to be trying to make a perfect MIL.. I am hoping they wont show Devakshi sucking upto Ishwari and 'winning her over' 🤢, instead I am looking forward to see the children's realization and heartbreak on seeing this kind of behavior from their mother and condemning it, I am hoping to see Ishwari's trying to win them over..

My one more concern is - the way CV has gone recently with all OTT things, I hope this doesn't give wrong message to all the MIL viewers who keep taunting their DILs or playing kitchen politics with them over their possessiveness for their sons.. The way this show is showing the extremity of MIL, there is a high chance of this giving them the feel of being superior to Ishwari and self-satisfaction that 'aah, at least I accepted my DIL, didn't torture my son, so I'm better than Ishwari' .. But that's not the primary point of the show.. Taunting the DILs throughout, not accepting them from heart, trying to compare the position of yours with that of your son's wife - everything is wrong.. Ishwari is not a reference to measure the good or badness in you.. Ishwari is a nutcase... So I hope this no way gives you a good feeling and if not Ishwari, the MIL viewers should introspect and realize how bad it looks from a third-angle neutral POV..

My 2 cents.. Again, thanks for your post.. Exactly what I wanted to say !

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@bold: All bang on points!!!

I haven't seen yesterday's episode and not inclined to give a try as well... 😆

If Sona doll is valuing herself against Ishwari's expectations then this girl sure is gone case in her love... It looks like the show is hell bent on teaching a lesson to the viewers not to fall in love... be it motherly or friendly or romantically... 🤪

Anything of this extreme might look great for making history and classical books but not at all close to any reality... Is it all worth the effort to go through this drama in the name of complicated characters? Only to finally be in peace seeing each other's face which has lot more than what it actually shows...

If Sona is being portrayed like she trying to learn cooking to be the perfect bahu, I can only see some MIL viewers chiding their own bahus for not even trying when they came into their houses...😆

I really really feel very sad for Baaba (Sona's father) who has given a strong good environment and beautiful lessons to Sona.. all to be spoiled and bowled over by the unhealthy environment and expectations from the Dixitis!!! If it's a lesson then sure it's a good lesson for girls like Sona who don't value their own upbringing and fall for unhealthy bonds in the name of love... and trying hard to impress her loved ones going beyond their limits... And after getting into such ambiance they will realize their mistakes and start cribbing about everything in the in-laws house.. Because they expect something great in return to all their sacrifices that they have made to fit into them... 🥱

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Posted: 9 years ago

Totally agree - this show is not about justifying the MIL with insecurities or taunting your DIL that you are better as you did not become like the character in the serial.

Hey but we are hardly at the beginning of the journey guys!!. Didn't the makers, actors time and again say that their show is about the journey????

In shaheer's way , the story is about how the son learns "to balance between mother and spouse"

Supriya said this is a journey of a " mother" to " mother-in -law"

there is a lot for every character to learn. they are in infancy, they need to be born, to grow, to learn to fly and then soar!!!!!!

the current situation is like a mother who just conceived, let her experience the morning sickness, the tiredness, the physical changes in form, then kicking of the child and then the pain of delivery before she holds her baby...

we have a long way to go and i am happy with the CV's who are showing the starting point of the journey so very close to reality.

Hats off team for your wonderful portrayal of each character.

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: randomramblings
Totally agree - this show is not about justifying the MIL with insecurities or taunting your DIL that you are better as you did not become like the character in the serial.
Hey but we are hardly at the beginning of the journey guys!!. Didn't the makers, actors time and again say that their show is about the journey????

In shaheer's way , the story is about how the son learns "to balance between mother and spouse"
Supriya said this is a journey of a " mother" to " mother-in -law"

there is a lot for every character to learn. they are in infancy, they need to be born, to grow, to learn to fly and then soar!!!!!!

the current situation is like a mother who just conceived, let her experience the morning sickness, the tiredness, the physical changes in form, then kicking of the child and then the pain of delivery before she holds her baby...
we have a long way to go and i am happy with the CV's who are showing the starting point of the journey so very close to reality.

Hats off team for your wonderful portrayal of each character.

Thanks for trying to see the positive in the show which I am totally not seeing and not inclined to see it soon as well...😊

Sorry to say that I never watch any of the online videos or the actors' interviews (for my own personal reasons) and so I can't even know what's the show is all about late in the future... For now whatever is being shown is what I am trying to relate and understand.. And this much what I've seen is not giving any good feel about the direction the characters are steered towards...

Whatever I have seen and liked I have always enjoyed them... Not that this show has been on bad phase always.. It has had its own glory and good times as well.. With all those feel good moments..

But the current phase... It looks more like a drama sucking show as of now, completely determined to stay on the charts for business reasons... If only there are any good numbers that these episodes are grabbing then I will be able to tell anything for that side too... I would be more than happy if the numbers have gone down for want to teaching the makers a lesson as well... Not doing what they promised! 😆

And sure my intention is not to spoil your enjoyment of the episodes and your liking for the show... Yes, agree I have the self-control to switch myself off from the show if it's not of my taste... And I can't blame the others for putting me through this... Nobody is forcing me to watch it, right! 😆

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Push-pull
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@bold: All bang on points!!!

I haven't seen yesterday's episode and not inclined to give a try as well... 😆
If Sona doll is valuing herself against Ishwari's expectations then this girl sure is gone case in her love... It looks like the show is hell bent on teaching a lesson to the viewers not to fall in love... be it motherly or friendly or romantically... 🤪
Anything of this extreme might look great for making history and classical books but not at all close to any reality... Is it all worth the effort to go through this drama in the name of complicated characters? Only to finally be in peace seeing each other's face which has lot more than what it actually shows...

If Sona is being portrayed like she trying to learn cooking to be the perfect bahu, I can only see some MIL viewers chiding their own bahus for not even trying when they came into their houses...😆

I really really feel very sad for Baaba (Sona's father) who has given a strong good environment and beautiful lessons to Sona.. all to be spoiled and bowled over by the unhealthy environment and expectations from the Dixitis!!! If it's a lesson then sure it's a good lesson for girls like Sona who don't value their own upbringing and fall for unhealthy bonds in the name of love... and trying hard to impress her loved ones going beyond their limits... And after getting into such ambiance they will realize their mistakes and start cribbing about everything in the in-laws house.. Because they expect something great in return to all their sacrifices that they have made to fit into them... 🥱

@ Bold - You BET ! This is bound to create more problems for modern independent women who believes in the lifestyle as Dixits.. And this would create false pride in all those MILs who think marriage is all about kitchen and cooking, and not trying cooking is equal to not giving importance to marriage and family.. Logic I tell you ! 😆

The ONLY saving grace is they are showing Bijoy's perspective, in fact whole Bose family's perspective in this.. I LOVED it when Bijoy said there is no harm in learning cooking, but when she WANTS it, not to fulfill someone's expectations 👏 I almost choked in that scene, everyone should have a father like Bijoy, and I am happy I have one 😊

I used to feel that having a girl-child changes a lot perspective of parents.. specially of a father.. But TRUST me, this is the first show where I am seeing having 3 daughters couldn't make Ishwari, a MOTHER, change her perspective about daughters, about girl-children.. Ishwari has paid no attention to her daughter - Neha's education, she has no qualm about that.. 😕 And now that they are in a better situation, she pays no attention to her other kids' education as well ! 😲 I believe inspite of being not-so-literate (although I don't judge a person by her degrees and Ishwari, practically through her behavior comes across as total illiterate), she had big involvement in Dev's education.. checking on kids' homework time-to-time, supervising the study environment, taking interest in school and class activities - are few basic things which even a 5-wi-pass parent can do.. Does Ishwari do that ? No..

I am hoping Bijoy Bose one day would come to her house and show her that what Dev is to Ishwari, Sona is to Bijoy.. In terms of responsibility (who carries the whole household expenses on her shoulder, and willingly), maturity and most importantly, in terms of LOVE.. I hope Bijoy makes is clear to Ishwari that Sona is not a burden to them like Neha-Rhea-Niki are to Ishwari that they would want her to marry her off anyhow asap 😡

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Posted: 9 years ago

Bang on post everyone thank you for expressing it so beautifully and precisely!

When the show started they said the show is about the journey of a woman from mother to mother-in-law, hopefully CV's still remember that tag line! In this day and age every message passed on television should be a positive message! If they keep going with the current track of showing Ishwari as a monstrous mother and everyone around her accepting her tantrums then this is a wrong. Today's woman and men should learn to stand-up for what is right. I'm not saying dev should be disrespectful...but there is a difference between being a respectful son and a mama's boy who blindly believes every word that his mother says. Currently that's how he is being portrait...I'm hoping CV's would show him to be a strong man who is fighting for what is right, even if it means going against his mother. Another issue is...ishwari's biased behavior towards her son. The daughters are treated as second class citizens as mentioned by Nicki in the bed sheet episode. In this day and age, the show which says it's a modern day love story should not portray such things...I hope CV's address this topic as well.

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

The ONLY saving grace is they are showing Bijoy's perspective, in fact whole Bose family's perspective in this.. I LOVED it when Bijoy said there is no harm in learning cooking, but when she WANTS it, not to fulfill someone's expectations 👏 I almost choked in that scene, everyone should have a father like Bijoy, and I am happy I have one 😊

I used to feel that having a girl-child changes a lot perspective of parents.. specially of a father.. But TRUST me, this is the first show where I am seeing having 3 daughters couldn't make Ishwari, a MOTHER, change her perspective about daughters, about girl-children.. Ishwari has paid no attention to her daughter - Neha's education, she has no qualm about that.. 😕 And now that they are in a better situation, she pays no attention to her other kids' education as well ! 😲 I believe inspite of being not-so-literate (although I don't judge a person by her degrees and Ishwari, practically through her behavior comes across as total illiterate), she had big involvement in Dev's education.. checking on kids' homework time-to-time, supervising the study environment, taking interest in school and class activities - are few basic things which even a 5-wi-pass parent can do.. Does Ishwari do that ? No..

I am hoping Bijoy Bose one day would come to her house and show her that what Dev is to Ishwari, Sona is to Bijoy.. In terms of responsibility (who carries the whole household expenses on her shoulder, and willingly), maturity and most importantly, in terms of LOVE.. I hope Bijoy makes is clear to Ishwari that Sona is not a burden to them like Neha-Rhea-Niki are to Ishwari that they would want her to marry her off anyhow asap 😡

@bold: Ishwari has a lesson to learn and someone has to open her eyes up... So many potential characters and related scenarios are there to show her, her real face... If only the makers are inclined to do that... I really want her to know her flaws and her terrible behavior and not continue to cover herself like a sympathetic person filled with emotional feelings, not knowing what she's doing.. Because when she really gets to know what all she has to done, she sure will commit suicide...

Even a family like that of Bose's can't change the haunted environment of the Dixits... 😆

Ishwari has to face the real questions from everyone affected... But with Neha questioning her again and again, Ishwari has only swiped them all treating her like a whining child...

And still her gyaan and philosophical talks are never ending... It's not all suiting her anymore.. The makers have to really think hard on how they want to steer Ishwari... She looks so hollow and not at all sure whether anything can really impact her anymore...

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Sassysona
Bang on post everyone thank you for expressing it so beautifully and precisely!
When the show started they said the show is about the journey of a woman from mother to mother-in-law, hopefully CV's still remember that tag line! In this day and age every message passed on television should be a positive message! If they keep going with the current track of showing Ishwari as a monstrous mother and everyone around her accepting her tantrums then this is a wrong. Today's woman and men should learn to stand-up for what is right. I'm not saying dev should be disrespectful...but there is a difference between being a respectful son and a mama's boy who blindly believes every word that his mother says. Currently that's how he is being portrait...I'm hoping CV's would show him to be a strong man who is fighting for what is right, even if it means going against his mother. Another issue is...ishwari's biased behavior towards her son. The daughters are treated as second class citizens as mentioned by Nicki in the bed sheet episode. In this day and age, the show which says it's a modern day love story should not portray such things...I hope CV's address this topic as well.

I don't know... And I can't really understand the makers' intention... All the while are they still thinking that Ishwari will get the sympathy that she ought to get in all this? Or may be they understand their audience which is of different genre... Who are still out there sympathizing with her... And relating to her emotion in every way... And defending her actions and behavior as if they are of that of a woman who does all only because of her dedicated love for her son.. And wondering "What's wrong in all this?!!" 😲

I really don't want Ishwari to repent of her actions because of Dev's devdas avatar.. She can't again revolve her life around her son and only her son... She has to know her world beyond that and understand what she has been doing if not for her son...

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