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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey

The forum is not very active so I thought it could use some discussion. I haven't seen today's episode (1/3/11) but I thought the previous episode was interesting. What did you guys think about Krishnaben not allowing Divya to go to the party? I know she gave a reason but how valid do you think the reason is? I don't live in India so I don't know how the customs are so I apologize if I offend anyone, I live in the US and my mom is the same way. She won't let me stay out late (I am 17 years old, around Divya's age I guess) but my 18 year old brother will be allowed to stay out as late as he wants. Do you think it is still that "backward" thinking that girls should stay at home and "be decent" otherwise they will get raped or is it honestly a big issue in Indian culture?

Please share your thoughts and discuss episodes or issues so we can liven up the forum!

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi Nidhi.
Good Question.👏
Well i dont stay in India either but rather here in South Africa, within the Indian community this mindset still exists. Understandably times are more dangerous, but i beleive girls should be treated equally as boys. I think if the girl is responsible and stays true to her indian value then y not let her stay out.
I think because Krishnabhen didnt let her daughter go, and show she trusted her....that is why she resorted to lying. Not saying i support Divya, but i understand what she must b thinking.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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In India there are more late night crimes that take place that USA or South Africa which harm women. Just look at the stats and you will see how much crime against young girls takes place in India.

It has little to do with "backward thinking".
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Originally posted by: Zees-Dbn

Hi Nidhi.

Good Question.👏
Well i dont stay in India either but rather here in South Africa, within the Indian community this mindset still exists. Understandably times are more dangerous, but i beleive girls should be treated equally as boys. I think if the girl is responsible and stays true to her indian value then y not let her stay out.
I think because Krishnabhen didnt let her daughter go, and show she trusted her....that is why she resorted to lying. Not saying i support Divya, but i understand what she must b thinking.



I definitely agree with you there. Krishnaben should trust her daughter and not only that, but she brought her up with good values so Krishnaben should know that Divya would never do anything bad. I think divya is probably the 3rd child so she should be allowed more freedom is she is upholding the responsibility of it.

Are you saying you think Krishnaben was right in not letting Divya go out using a false pretense? Was Divya wrong?

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In India there are more late night crimes that take place that USA or South Africa which harm women. Just look at the stats and you will see how much crime against young girls takes place in India.


It has little to do with "backward thinking".



I understand that there are crimes against women everywhere, not just in India but is that a valid reason to force a girl to stay home and restrict her life?

I did not mean to insult India by using such language as "backward" thinking, I was trying to get across my point that women are still considered weak and inferior - not strong enough to stand up to a man. Shouldn't parents try harder to empower their daughters and teach them to voice their opinions against repression instead of setting limits on their activity? I have also experienced as a girl in US since I have to be home before 11 at night but there are no such restrictions on my brother. This kind of attitude from parents only increases the daughters' fears.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Crimes are more severe and frequent in countries like India than Europe or USA.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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well, it is a big debatable question. I strongly feel it is high time, parents started treating and giving equal stature to both daughters and sons. Sons are no less vulnerable having mid-night parties compared to that of daughters. If we are talking about danger then danger is equal for both. It is hard to change the mindset of society but a small change within your family will go a long way in changing the society in future.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi Nidhi !
Being from a researcher group we have found that the female harmones are more into feelings andprone to bond as compared to males who are having harmones which are more suited to strong and harsh tasks making them suitable to take responsibilities and the tasks requiring strength.
Please study the harmones testosterone and female harmone called as estrogen.
Both the genders have these harmones and thus they deserve to be treated equally.
But don't you think there can be reasons behind conditioning parents for such a behaviour?
Parents know that a strong female would disturb her harmones and turn them to be more like males and people might start calling her a tom boy or so.
Similar terms are given to males if they start showing girlish behaviour .
Like a blushing boy or so.
Would yo u like to distort your harmones or be proud of Indian traditions which bring out the beauty of not just one but both the harmone.
One best suited to be strong and the other best suited to be soft and sweet in nature and keep a balanc ein family but I personally do not believe by any means that a female can be behind by abiding by such restrictions or guidance. Because being strong sometimes can be called as harsh and being sweet is always called a being polite and /or good natured which is the requirement ofr whole of the world and all living beings like to be treated sweetly and softly.
Don't you believe the world runs due to softness and sweetness and the parents just try their best to just nurture that knowingly or unknowingly !
If you want to absorb my point better please view the movie Showlin Soccer where in the goalee girl does what the strong martial arts man as goal keeper could not do ad face. Just by being soft, sweet and calm.
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Hi Nidhi !

Being from a researcher group we have found that the female harmones are more into feelings andprone to bond as compared to males who are having harmones which are more suited to strong and harsh tasks making them suitable to take responsibilities and the tasks requiring strength.
Please study the harmones testosterone and female harmone called as estrogen.
Both the genders have these harmones and thus they deserve to be treated equally.
But don't you think there can be reasons behind conditioning parents for such a behaviour?
Parents know that a strong female would disturb her harmones and turn them to be more like males and people might start calling her a tom boy or so.
Similar terms are given to males if they start showing girlish behaviour .
Like a blushing boy or so.
Would yo u like to distort your harmones or be proud of Indian traditions which bring out the beauty of not just one but both the harmone.
One best suited to be strong and the other best suited to be soft and sweet in nature and keep a balanc ein family but I personally do not believe by any means that a female can be behind by abiding by such restrictions or guidance. Because being strong sometimes can be called as harsh and being sweet is always called a being polite and /or good natured which is the requirement ofr whole of the world and all living beings like to be treated sweetly and softly.
Don't you believe the world runs due to softness and sweetness and the parents just try their best to just nurture that knowingly or unknowingly !
If you want to absorb my point better please view the movie Showlin Soccer where in the goalee girl does what the strong martial arts man as goal keeper could not do ad face. Just by being soft, sweet and calm.



Maybe I'm not understanding well enough what you mean but I'm thinking you're trying to say it is good that women are shown as more vulnerable than men because it is necessary that one of the sexes should be softer to allow for harmony.

I understand completely the whole thing about hormones and all but what does that really have to do with who we are? Is it bad to be a tomboy or for a girl to play sports? Is it bad if a boy is sweet instead of "macho"? Are these gender roles so imbedded into our society that we cannot overcome them? And, by keeping these gender roles in play, have we stopped accepted those that fall differently? I mean gays and lesbians are not as universally accepted because gay men are seen as very feminine and gay women are seen in a masculine light. Even if a man or woman is not gay, if they display some characteristics of the opposite sex, they are immediately taken to be so.

I know we are not discussing gay rights, but if we are talking about diyva, would it make her seem manly if her mother let her to the late night party because she would be strong and defending herself? I don't think women or men should be characterized with silly tags but accepted as who they are and treating them all the same. Of course, some things do set males and females apart but being strong is NOT strictly a male thing.

Maybe my view is a little harsh as I have always been treated like a girl who does the dishes and cleans the house and never seen as a person but this is why I feel we need a change and if shows like Krishna ben show the opposite. then society will regress even more.


Nidhi
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Dear Nidhi !
If you would now read my post again you would find (which I did too to ) that the biasedness was not there rather it was such developmental behaviourism says we must follow our heart such that we act based on wisdom checks.
Our harmones are tuned to function peacefully only to an extent that we abide by their basic nature.
But please in no way be into the state of finding that females are inferior to anyone.
They are rather the better form of life as comared to men.
Dear do read my post and also try viewing the movie Shaolin Soccer which shall clarify my point.
My hint was towards performing in life such that we act with wisdom and not biasedness of any kind. Isn't your being conscious of your form of life a kind of biasedness towards yourself?
Well am in no way pointing your fault or so but just saying that peace is the ony source of a good life and people learn in birth by birth they are sent by the lord in human or the other form just to learn being in peace with all .
Last but not the least duties passed by HIM are the first to be performed by us and in the same way not only Krishnaben is performing her acts which are actually the acts conduted by her based on her conscience although its a fictious serial but same has also been done by Rani laxmi Bai and Indira Gandhi.
Then you must note the point that soul has no gender but virtues and they are more or less based on more less peace the soul is into.
Wisdom and politenss are the pillars of being a goo d humanbeing and that starts from home whcih can be done through being good to our parents and understanding them helps us get this done.
Take care

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