17 jul: big things, little things - Page 4

Originally posted by: estee

hmm. i guess i respect everything that she is apparently thinking. i respect everything that she is trying.

but y'know? while i think this show is very different from every other show, it is not different in one aspect: heer is not respecting the amount that prem loves her or is respecting the amount of joy he can have with her or is respecting his decision, actively and consciously taken - before and clearly now.

why - why - is it that the girl is the one doing the act of "giving up" on love? why is it that the guy is the one who fought for both being the lover and the son? till the very end? prem never started an act to distance himself from heer's happiness. heer is. why does heer act as if the only time that prem's father has disowned him is when she is in the picture? why is she convinced that if she is not there in the equation, everything will become right between prem and his father?

prem, in his speech to ashlesha, never said i don't love heer. and that will not be something he will change even today, if heer runs away. he always was ready to marry ashlesha. just not to love her. why is heer convinced that if she is not there, prem will suddenly "love" ashlesha?

why is heer giving up on prem-heer, when she herself told prem that he needs time to adjust? why is she reneging on that statement? why is she not giving him time??

i think that the biggest thing about this show is that it is not realistic in their notion of this ancient love of prem-heer's. the show is making us believe in a fairy-tale love story - something that no other show dare present in this day and age.

and my problem is that in this love story, heer act is is not being different from "all other shows" where sacrifices for some not fully defensible reason is done. prem's acts so far are what has made it different from all other shows. i've never seen someone like prem. i'd not seen anyone like heer - until tuesday's episode. i thought she rocked on monday. and on tuesday, she made me frown.

if heer does run away, i'll frown. only frown. 'cause i trust that prem will get her back. 'cause that's prem. and he's different. if heer remains true to what i believe, she will not run.

just what i believe.

Originally posted by: estee

y'know? i understand this too. but what i understand is that this was a promise that laluchacha has made to his friend. so fighting to keep that promise to his friend is ethically/morally (hmm, not sure of the difference?) correct.

where i think he is being totally immoral is where he is pushing that promise on his children. now that. is. not. done.. i think prem made one big stooopid mistake that he can take responsibility for. he didn't understand that his father's understanding of relationship (as in marriage with a woman) also included love along with commitment. prem could commit to ashlesha. he just couldn't love her. what i think that laluchacha is totally - morally, ethically, you choose - wrong in demanding both. i think that laluchacha is totally morally, ethically wrong in demanding his children fulfil his promises. example: harman being forced to be a lawyer. prem being forced to love - "do you want a guarantee, ashlesha?? he will guarantee commitment. tell her that you will guarantee your commitment!" - (commitment, yes, father, just not love, please understand!)

and then, he compounds these errors with cruel, petty acts that are driven by his internal frustrations at not getting that noble obligation to his friend done. and that is totally - morally, ethically, you choose - wrong!

laluchacha is desperately wrong. any which way i look at it. these acts cannot be condoned.

Originally posted by: mistyeyed_25

but estee darling, this is what is happenning in India now days. Doesnt every father want his child to follow his steps, to fulfil his dreams he could never achieve? Lalu character is that of a typical patriach - one who just puts his demand on children expecting it to fulfil.

Originally posted by: mistyeyed_25

This is the realism the show is trying to portray - a message alsio perhaps that whatever will be, will, the future is not ours to seen... que sera sera....or then as another friend rightly said.....waqt ke aage aur kismet ke peeche kuch nahin milta

Originally posted by: estee

y'know? i just finished wondering exactly the same question in reply to someone's post! (maya? kimmu?) i really can't figure out why prem didn't ask. even more, i can't figure out why i didn't think then that it was strange that prem didn't ask...

although, i probably have an answer to that second question. i was probably too befuddled by the sight of prem making love to heer in public... oooh, hate prem so much!

Originally posted by: estee

oh, triv, not you too?? first melissa comes out of the closet by waxing eloquent on prem in this sequence. and here, you add to the long growing list of evidence on how your ripping prem apart is all just one big facade??

sigh. am i the only lone crusader in the hate-prem-parade? is there no-one out there to support my seemingly hopeless cause?

no matter. i'll just foist the flag higher, drink more horlicks and shout ... hate prem!! 😆

Originally posted by: estee

tell me about it!! 😆 amazing the number of people in this show with inbuilt radars on other people. prem on heer. preet on his pb. gotta love it...

and heer's desperation -- heer's total lack of .. shame in drinking prem in. but then, these two are always like that, no? i mean, the way prem and heer were standing in the middle of the busy crowds, gazing at each other. it was like they were making silent love in public, damnit. seriously!

i wonder if they even heard that there's a storm on...

Originally posted by: estee

Ahhh great! Thanks so much Estee...that's all my over active imagination needed..*pictures Prem riding on a white stallion, wearing a white shining armor, his hair blowing in the wind, his eyes sparkling with laughter and challenge(of catching Heer no matter how fast she runs) and a smile tilting his mouth.

😆 well! i don't see why i have to suffer alone, all the time!! 😆

Originally posted by: estee

good. 'cause the more he is haunted, the sooner he will find her. and then, i hope he spanks her - silently. i hope she takes her punishment - silently, but with big tears falling. and then, i hope he shatters - silently. and then, then!, i hope he kisses her tears and her pain away - silently.

and later, when i wake up from unconsciousness, i hope he has been smart enough to use her safety-pins to make sure her dupatta is always pinned to the pockets of his trousers, so that she will never get a chance to go away again. and if she tries, he will just have to yank and haul her back in. and then, go back to the above steps, starting with "i hope he spanks her"... 😆

Originally posted by: estee

rotfl! given how these rather loony characters perturb everyone around, are you sure you want a seer around you???

and you mean no other show has them? hmm. you're right. there were no religious predictors in kyph. or in kyunki-saas.... only prem-heer get them??? because of the immortal love and all?? hmmmmm!!

Originally posted by: estee

what i want to know is .... where, oh where are you getting these totally awesome emoticons from??? i can't even lay my hands on rotfl or day-dreaming emoticons! do you have some kinda special access id which gives you special emoticons?? if yes, how do i get that special access id???!

i want to know!

now tell me the raaz of your emoticon access... pretty please?