24, 25 sep '09: big things, little things

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y'know s'thing? a strange thing happens everytime i watch the show these days. in a while, my eyes turn inward, my mind floats, and i keep remembering older episodes. no seriously. er... is that normal?

24 sep '09

* background score thing: ow. i know i'll sound like a broken record on this, but i really wish the world would get more sensible about not using heavy stoopid beats in music during confrontations. it's sooo.... dull. dull! i tell you. if i weren't watching older episodes in my mind, i'd be fast asleep... 🤣

* little thing: gaaah. glob is such a hypocrite. she doesn't want to see prem fall, sleep, eat only for heer. huh. ya. she doesn't have a problem if prem does it for her, i'd bet. sicko. 🤢

* little thing: so. did anyone else think that when that wheezing-with-hate glob asked ''what kind of father are you?'' she was actually referring to how he behaved during the whole vitchface-veera phase rather than anything he did with prem?

seriously, this woman needs to be medically examined, medically certified as insane, and put into a safe house where she can stop feeling. she really needs a break from all that heer-hate. *pause* i need a break from all that heer-hate! 🤢

* pbauji thing: omg. is he getting superb lines or what?

''i'll be with my son. i'll give him strength. the kind of strength that makes people obsessed. (junoon - how i love that word. šŸ˜) and this time, no-one can hide from that obsession -- whether it is own family, or a stranger. heer and prem will be together. whereever in the universe heer is hiding, prem will find her.''

but i must admit, i smiled when he said ''i'm a father who knows what my child's heart beats for.'' there was a time when he didn't. i guess he learnt this lesson well from that episode, no? good pbauji... *patting pbauji gingerly on the ... er ... shoulder. šŸ˜†*

* little thing: y'know though? i got puzzled that he actually came to try to talk to glob about what the heck she was doing with prem.

he knows that she's evil. he knows that she is fighting with all she has to keep prem and heer apart. what was the point of coming and asking rhetorical questions like what kind of mother she is?? she is not a mother. šŸ˜•

* little thing: and after that horrible thump-thump-thump of the pbauji-glob confrontation, it was soooo sweet hearing the old prem-heer melody for heer in the bus. seriously, that melody can squeeze your heart. okay, it squeezes mine.. 😃

* little thing: hmmm. this heer bhi, na? one nice line: ''i had so many dreams of holding chahat close and living life. but life's strange. you dream moments not thinking that those moments may change completely.'' heer! šŸ˜

* little thing: prem lands up at a random bus stop looking for heer. er... are we still in delhi?? where there are - like - thousands of bus-stops... šŸ˜†

'kay, i should stop with the logical questions, now, no? šŸ˜†

* little thing: seriously. isn't that guy getting drenched in sweat by the end of that small moment out of his a/c car in the sun wearing those clothes??

* little thing: heer screams ''chahat'' as she runs to grab the kid from the truck. that was real - strangely real. with the rest of the poop that was going on, it felt surreal! šŸ¤”

* little thing: heh. prem asks about the crowd, and sees the photograph on the ground. and then goes back to ask about the bag. and then says ''accident????!'' and..

man! that was such a poorly scripted moment! 🤣🤣🤣

* little thing: bwahahahahaha! so even the people in the show are confused about whether it is the ramayan or the mahabharat anymore!!! 🤣 do they have ram and krishna idols together?? i mean, i know they are both avatars of vishnu. but wasn't that supposed to have been ram-lakshman?

and hey! did meher call phukda radha/sita??! er...isn't that what heer is supposed to be??

* little thing: *sigh* aren't smarmy smarty kids a turn-off? what the heck was phukda doing asking the gods to keep her parents safe? do six year old kids who are playing ball do such things? whatever. turn-off.

* little thing: did anyone else totally crack up at the way that receptionist said ''yaz?'' when prem said ''excuse me?''

hahahahahahahahahaha
! i'm still cracking up remembering it.. 🤣

* little thing: prem all in black, in an all white-ish hospital. talk about wanting to stand out, no? like the guy needs help... šŸ˜†

* little thing: *sigh* heer is receiving blood??? and she just wakes up, gets up and leaves??

why? it would have been soooo much simpler having her be on a saline drip or s'thing. that way her getting up would've been so much more realistic.

or... are they trying to emphasise that nothing is real about this show or s'thing? šŸ˜•

* heer thing: but i did like the look on heer's face when she said ''i remembered my little daughter. she lives with her father.'' it was ... special.

'specially in contrast with that totally blank and strangely pop-eyed look on the child's mother's face. she looked like she wanted to say: ''dude. relax. i just wanted to say thanks. not get a ramayan on why you did it.'' 🤣 *sigh* but i guess that woman had the correct look for someone who couldn't be bothered to watch out that her kid was running across that road. šŸ˜›

* little thing: ah. a chance to get back to the old days. watching prem/heer walk by each other in a small tight corridor in a hospital. just 'cause heer's face was veiled by her hair.

soo reminded me of the night that heer spilt stuff on prem at his businessman-of-the-year award function, gave him a napkin to wipe himself down -- and still neither of them realised that it was the other. their prem/heer antennae were down that night. and was certainly down in this moment too!

heh heh. i remember coming up with a theory for that night -- that the black of everyone's clothes was absorbing all energies at all wavelengths, and so prem-heer couldn't ''sense'' each other.

hmmm. maybe in the white-washed walls of the hospital corridors, where energies at all wavelenghts were being reflected, prem-heer couldn't ''sense'' each other 'cause ... there was too much noise?? 🤣🤣🤣

er... forgive me my ''nonsense''. but i have to amuse myself someway, no??! šŸ˜†

highlight of the episode: hmmm. i'm afraid that pbauji's lines get it again! ''i'll give him strength. the kind of strength that makes for obsession. which will not break for anything, or anyone, be it his own, or a stranger. prem and heer will be together.'' *wow! that two bt,lts where a pbauji line gets the highlight -- life is truly getting bizzare. šŸ˜†* the look on heer's face as she tells that robotic other woman that her little daughter ''lives with her father now...''

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25 sep '09

* horrible background sound thing: just when i thought that things couldn't get worse, guess what..? it did! in the middle of that pretty rajasthan music, they put thunderbolts!!??!

gosh, what dolts!

* little thing: prem stuttering ''heer... heer...'' when the blank-faced not-a-mother woman assured him that it was her daughter who had the accident.

that was ... funny. hehehehe.

* little thing: what was even more funny was finding out that heer had been giving the kid blood??! wha...?!! bwaaahahahahahahahaha!

* heer thing: she heard that a guy had been asking 'bout the photograph and instantly went into a long spiel on how it couldn't have been prem 'cause even she didn't know until the last moment that she was going to ambala, then how could he have found out??!

er... heer, darling? newsflash -- prem's been having flashbacks of your dreams when you thought he might be dead. oh yeah, he could've found out that you were going to ambala even before you did. oh yeah! 🤣 so please watch out if you're planning to fib to him -- he's probably going to know exactly what you are thinking rather than what you say! 🤣

* little thing: ouuuuuccccchhhhh! prem's voice is ... not hc's voice. *sigh*

* little thing: ouuuuuccccchhhhh! fake shiv mandir. *sigh* why? why??

* sound editing thing: y'know, it's happened so often that i'm curious. why do they dub for prem so frequently these days?

at first, i wondered if this was 'cause of equipment that wasn't good enough to do outdoor shooting. i know that it is possible to capture voices in an outdoor track and not have to dub over it later. that's the job of the sound editing department -- that you drop out most of the noise, take the actor's tracks and then add in that background poop... er ... score.

'cause no way you can have people record voices with as much passion as when they are acting it out, no? *i remember watching dirtchachi do her entire shraap on pbauji scene when prem-ashlesha's marriage got dropped -- the actress was thumping her chest and that came through on the tracks. but that was okay -- in fact, it added to the realism of the moment.*

then i wondered if it was 'cause of equipment that was not good enough to handle two people standing too close to each other *like that last time that prem and heer danced... ā˜ŗļø* maybe their voices got all muffled. but then again, i know that you can have prem-heer stand real close to each other and still capture their voices on track to use in the vocals of the scene that is finally shown. *'cause i remember one of the things that just made the ''kyunki mein tumsey pyar karta hoon'' scene so powerful was that there were somethings that prem spoke that was nearly a whisper in heer's ears and we could hear it. and something that prem spoke that was nearly a fierce shout, and we could hear that too. no distortions. no lack of clarity. it was ... perfect.*

so i truly wonder what has gone wrong with the sound recording equipment now.

or what has gone wrong with the sound editing people's brains now. 'cause i remember that the worst part of the production of the show right from the start was the editing team -- and now, it looks like it is particularly the sound editing team! šŸ˜›

'cause it's better that they realise sooner rather than later, that a track with the real hc/ag voices -- even if it is not so audible above stoooopid wind sounds, or things that go crashing in the back, or sounds of the crew standing around and chatting -- even a noisy track with their real voices is infinitely preferable to the idea of having some girly-voiced dude dub for hc.

if they have to dub for hc, for crying out loud, keep the guy they got to dub for him the day that prem picked heer up in the rain and persuaded her to take a lift with him. i remember that guy was barely tolerable.

today's guy outright sucked. and sucked big time. šŸ˜›

* prem-heer-are-one thing: and so, i was glad that when they did meet, heer was apparently lying asleep, tired out from her mad dash from the hospital where apparently she'd been giving blood! and prem apparently draped his coat out of full generosity over a sleeping girl. 'cause in the beginning, there was no voice. it was all just a conversation of their eyes. and what a conversation it was... šŸ˜

* phhandooooooh thing: ooh!! oh my gosh. what a sweet phhandoooooh. i could die for that phhandooooh. 'specially since all it needed were their eyes talking -- not their voices! šŸ˜†

i swear all my irritation, the fires in my brain, the upset stomach, all that just vanished when -- in that moment that both of them reached out to cradle the light of the diya from the winds. and when prem's hands touched heer's hands, all their confusion about who,what,where vanished in an instant -- and the eyes that they lifted to each other's face had no question about who the stranger in the night was.

in fact, more than irritation, all logical thinking and feeling started vanishing at the way that prem's hands were holding heer's hands after that first touch! and as he stood, the way those hands lifted ''his heer'' up, never letting go of the phhandooh. and that last grasp -- more a phand-gripping-hwrist, firm and true -- pulling her hand closer to where his heart lay beating steadily in his chest.

y'know? as i watched them, i understood with maddening clarity why i'm so besotted with this show -- that i wouldn't miss watching that one moment of prem-heer-are-one on big screen for anything. i wouldn't. 'cause i'm not sure i'd do a meltdown watching it on youtube. *i said i'm not sure, 'kay! and i am not gonna experiment to find out if it is true or not! 🤣*

* big thing: once i could lift my mind above all that sound editing poop of a mess that that poor segment was subjected to -- and i'm not going to bother with how contrived the whole nearly-meeting, nearly-meeting, ah-finally-met! script was setup to be -- the one big thing that prem's eyes and heer's eyes put through even over their pooopy stand-in voices was:

the deep anger in prem's eyes at heer. and the deep contriteness in heer's eyes at prem.

prem has been angry at heer before. like when she didn't understand him on ''kyunki mein tumsey pyar karta hoon''. like when she hadn't told him about vitchface veera. like apparently when he thought she had something to do with glob crying after pbauji decided to have his birthday party in nihaal's house instead of jzoo. like when he thought she had been unfaithful to him *oh, horrid, horrid, horrid night! šŸ˜”*

this was a new anger. this was anger with her. here, the anger was both at her and for her. 'cause as i always said, prem knew that heer loves him -- he doesn't doubt that. but he also realised that she was doing her best to stay away from him. and so the anger was deep. it was fierce. but it was not so much directed at her, but for her. like he was mad that she had been taken advantage of; and that she had allowed it!

no? it was new... and i think i liked it.

no, i think i loved it.

'cause i think it means a really hard time coming up for the glob.

'cause remember the last time there was pure evil on the show? it was dirtchachi. and she conspired against prem-heer-are-one. and she used pbauji to do the evil. and when he came to know of it, pbauji ripped up dirtchachi for everything that she had. the only thing that saved her then was heer asking forgiveness on her behalf.

ths time, there is glob. dearest mother of prem, conspiring against prem-heer-are-one. she used heer to rip up prem-heer-are-one.

but as we all know, prem-heer-are-one are the purest force in the universe. and they will have to be one. the stars decree it. and so glob has to lose. even if she drags the fair name of motherhood into it, she has to lose.

what i'm curious about is when she loses, who will defrock her evil and bring it to the public? who will be the judge and the jury? will it be prem? or will it be heer? or will they leave it to pbauji to choose the punishment? and this time, who will save the evil?

hmmmm. y'know? i'm kinda dying to know. 😃

* little thing: 'cause the way that horrible glob of gobbar was reclining on the bed, all decked up in her sari and reading a magazine when meher brought in her tea made me want to throw up on her feet! disgusting creature! 🤢

* big thing: oooooh, meher gets a good, ... no a great moment!

for many reasons, i thought the meher-glob confrontation totally rocked.

first of all, meher was respectful all through out.

secondly, she was as fair in how hard she spoke the truth. it wasn't like she was spitting mad at all the misery that she knows glob has caused. but she was sorrowful -- 'cause a most beloved elder of the house was the genesis of the evil that has kept prem and heer apart.

thirdly, she was just not judgemental! i loved that. so often, i tend to jump to accusations and judgement. but meher? meher offered two possibilities, chose the more correct one to be most likely true. and was more honestly sad rather than mad that the world was the way it was.

lastly, what she told glob could've been a warning to correct herself. but the way meher said it, it was more a request. to please make the truth - not the truth. to please make the truth a loving mother rather than a scheming twisted cadaver.

the whole confrontation reminded me of the sense of goodness i used to get as a kid reading the indian myths when evil ravan or evil kans did evil things to the good guys, and the good guys looked sadly at the evil and told them that they should become better else they would repent it for all their life.

that was what it reminded me of.

* little thing: er... when their car drew up in front of jzoo gates, did no one else wonder what exactly had happened between the time that heer launched herself into a phug in prem's arms and the morning? did no one else wonder where they spent the night, f'instance? 😃 no? was it just me? 🤣

* big thing: prem demanding from heer that she tell him who made her run away from him.

y'know what? i like angry prem. he's not quite boss prem -- he's a little too soft around the edges yet for boss prem, a little too vocal. but i like him nevertheless.

now if only he can keep the focus on and remember that when he asked, heer didn't look him in the eye. but instead very shiftly and obviously refused to tell him the truth about the matter. i kinda think he knows that.

* big thing: prem asked heer to promise that she choose: with him, or without him. once and for all. 'cause prem and heer are not just about the other's sadness or happiness in life. prem and heer are life itself to each other.

prem asked heer never to let go, no matter how hard the storm maybe. and heer promised him that she would never let him go ever again.

i guess now i'm w&w-ing to see how heer keeps her end of the bargain with prem. and hopefully without being miserable all the time. [Big smile]

* w&w thing: y'know? this last week -- and probably the past one as well -- this whole show has looked like it has been stitched together by a bunch of first grade kids.

and what i learn through the whole thing is that no matter how dark and silly the story telling gets, i still do want to know two-two things:
  1. what new and sweet way prem can hold heer's hand.
  2. how glob will be punished for the evil that she does.
i may watch in a cursory way; reading a book with more interest while watching teh show, instead of keeping my eyes and ears and mind open to catch every moment, every nuance in the show.

but for these two things, i will w&w i guess.

hmmm. y'know what is really strange though?

i can't really figure which i will w&w more for! 🤣

highlight of the episode: koi shaq?? from the moment that prem's hand touched heer's hand, cupped around that little diya in the dark of the night. from the moment that they touched, and realised who they were holding. from the moment that prem's hand almost automatically, without thought held onto hers with a gentleness that belied the firm possessiveness. from that moment that he wouldn't let go. even when he lifted her so sweetly from where they crouched together on the floor. to the moment that he held that hand and almost instinctively grasped her wrist and carried it to his heart, each of them drinking the other in with their eyes. to the moment that he finally let go, saying that today she had to make a choice.

*sigh* if prem had been speaking with hc's voice, and heer with ag's voice in that scene, i am pretty sure that i'd have forgiven the creatives these strange, badly done two weeks of prem-heer-are-one shows.

man, how i love phhandoooh... šŸ˜

oh, and ya, i thought meher was brilliant today too

oh well.

c'est la vie. you take what you get. and move along, singing a merry song.

toodle-doo, toodle-daa, i say,
please oh please give me a voiceless phhandooh-a-day,
which will keep the pain
out of my brain
and keep me singing toodle-doo, toodle-daa till the next day!


no? have to run off -- i've other promises to keep. i'll see you later. 😃 till then have phun, my phorum pholk, till the next estee post.
Edited by estee - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Soaps1

šŸ˜” Good to see you šŸ¤—

hey, soaps doll. šŸ¤— good to see you too.

i'll see you more later!
šŸ˜†

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Posted: 16 years ago
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E, you are here!!!
me gotta go. will be back to read and then edit. bye.
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E, I am still upset over yesterday episode to so say anything much. The way it was scripted, directed, shot, edited, voices dubbed…for the first time ever in this show I didn't feel the same prem-heer magic and that broke my heart at how the production team is treating this show. Before this, no matter what rubbish they have shown us by way of plot and storyline, one thing has always remained…put prem-heer in the same frame, no matter how brief and what the scene is or what the emotion of the moment be it intense, lighthearted, weepy, happy, cute, angry, whatever, there was always magic….and that is what always kept me hooked to the show even if often times nothing else on the show made much sense. Yesterday could have been potentially such a beautiful episode but the way it was treated made me feel totally cheated. I know I am ranting but I can't help myself. I'm upset!!!!!

The whole accident and hospital scene was ridiculous to say the least. They transfused the kid with 2 bottles of blood for a little bit of plaster on the forehead. They have obviously never seen an injury requiring transfusion, a blood donation or a blood transfusion. All the stupidest doctors of the world are on this show. I bet none of them would have ever got through med school!!!! To top it all it was such a contrived and unnecessary scene.

They spend all these days showing us this rubbish and take their time over it and then when prem and heer finally get together after six years, they rush through it in one segment and that too a poorly done one at that!!!! Do they think that voice is not a part of emoting? They seem to be dispensing with the need to have the actors' original voices ever so often these days!!! Thank god, they haven't thought of having close-ups of substitute eyes for the eye convos!!!!!! To me the moment I hear hc talking in that horrible voice, I just can get engaged into the scene! And for being such an emotional moment that was the briefest and most poorly shot phug on this show yet!

And the next thing we know prem and heer are already at jzoo gates! That's it??? 6 years worth of water under the bridge and that's it?? As if the last 6 years never happened??? That's all prem and heer had to share with each other after 6 long years apart? I was telling smita and soapie the same thing yesterday that they left the shiv mandir at night and reached jzoo in the morning. What happened in between? Or are we not to know? Or did prem spend the whole night just looking for a mechanic to repair his car??? What about the drive back from ambala to delhi? And after 6 years of misery nothing has really changed. Heer is still keeping things from prem which is how all the trouble started in the first place!!!!!

Enough of my ranting. As you can tell I am still upset at yesterday's episode. Hope Monday has something better in store. But thanks anyway. Felt a bit better after reading the btlt. I so wanted to be phrooling and phreaming after this episode instead of which i am ranting!!!!!

Edited by KDHMDfan - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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omg dis was 1 of da worst heer prem re unions ever.....not full of tension or suspense....it was boring n draggged on....n da dubbed voices spolied da hoile fing...... i h8 dis....tooo much dubbing sounds totalli fake man........sik 2 death of this other than dis enjoyd da premeeer hug scene
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Posted: 16 years ago
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E!!... good to see u... i so needed another POV for tat epi...

me srry for whn evr i took away frm my word...
was a bit busy...
no problems just busy.... during holidays...šŸ˜†

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Posted: 16 years ago
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E for the first time yesterday i felt detatched from the show, first time ever! Before this i have been mad at times, i have been furious about changes in chars at times, i yelled and screamed when they decided to take a leap but never felt detatched ... but yesterday i did
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Quoting from another thread my opinon after yesterday's epi:

Originally posted by: Soaps1

So after the chindi reunion scene which was badly directed, scripted, dubbed and full of BD ... everything is back to square one ... it was as if nothing ever happened, those six years didn't exist and where did the epi end? Heer telling a lie to prem again while prem forcing her to tell him the truth. What was the point in a leap if nothing was gonna change? 6 years ago they seperated due to misunderstandings and today again heer is back to hiding things? Wasn't this the major reason for their seperation and we are back to square one again?

premeer met after 6 years they had nothing to say to each other? Nothing to share? Nothing to tel each other? No heart to heart talk/ No confrontation? Nothing? And everything is normal again? šŸ˜•

So what was the point in leap? Premeer met today as if nothing ever happened why do they mess up so much in their story telling? Just like they earlier pretended that Gaurav Sharma never happened they are now trying to forget the leap in the same way? 🄱

Oh and these are just my views ... solely mine
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Posted: 16 years ago
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hai estee, thanks a ton, i am very much disappointed with the show these days but ur bi.,lt made me laugh like a mad person. especially ur take on prem dreams about heers dreams. how hard the creatives are trying to prove that premheer are one. anyways thanks once again.

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