Prem...you are harrassing and cornering Heer!!

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esha

@blueocean_787

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Posted: 16 years ago

#11

i agree with you to certain extend, PREM did not force HEER in the 1st place, but yes now he is forcing her in emotional way, because he know HEER love him a lot, he want to give her everthign that she hv been missing for the past 6years... HEER will not accept PREM financially even if she is in trouble...

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Lana Ghosh

@lghosh

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Posted: 16 years ago

#12

Bluefish............I thought of staying away from responding to such topic because, sorry for sounding condescending, the first word that comes to my mind is JUVENILE!!!

I was surprised to read ur post & kept wondering r we watching the same show??? R u talking about KDM, our KDM!!!??

Pray tell me did Prem know Heer was pregnant, she gave birth to his daughter??? Did Heer inform him or even tried to?? I don't think Prem would have stayed away then come hell or high water!! Vaasta or not, he would have been there!!

And what will Prem do if Heer doesn't allow him to be in her life or even be near his daughter?? He can force his paternal rights on Chahat if he wanted to because he has the legal rights but he didn't. Not because of his lack of love for Chahat but because of his love & respect for Heer & her wishes. He doesn't want to impose himself on them.

He had pleaded, begged, asked for forgiveness innumerable times & every time Heer rejected him. I am not saying Heer is not justified, ofcourse she is, but she did & Prem accepted it every time because of his guilt & shame. And yet he knows he can't live without Heer & Chahat, his life is incomplete without them. So what do u want him to do??

U sound contradictory!! On one hand u r insinuating why did Prem stay away from Heer for the last 6 yrs, why didn't he pursue Heer, why didn't he keep a track of her well being & on the other hand when he now is trying to cover up for the lost time u r accusing him of pushing Heer to a corner??

Right now Heer is in such a state of mind where she doesn't want to see anything beyond her current life, she has erected a wall around her & prefers to stay within that & if Prem has to break that wall then he has to force himself a little in her world to get to her heart. He has to rekindle all the dormant feelings in her for him & to do that he can't just sit away afar twiddling his thumbs. He has to take action & that too soon to make Heer aware of him & to make her feel she is incomplete without him. For that he has to be assertive.

And about those pink lines, again r we watching the same show??? Prem first of all didn't have any physical relationship with Ash! And definitely not willingly, not in his senses!! U implied as if he spend the night with Ash willingly in his full senses.

Please before pointing a finger at the characters just be aware of the entire situation & story line.

Prem is not a 'bhagwan' & neither is Heer!! Face it, today wherever they stand, both r equally at fault!! That night in Kasauli Heer too had a tremendous hand in it, she pushed Prem to that limit & same way Prem reacted that way in the restaurant & later fell in to the trap of Ash & has suffered more than enough in the past 6 yrs. Atleast he did repent & didn't live a gala life all merry making u know, he too suffered & he suffered the most in all this.

Heer herself said she lied & concealed about Chahat & even now when the truth is out she wants to keep Chahat away from Prem which is ethically, morally & legally wrong. So before pointing a finger at Prem just think about the situation & storyline, because they r both at fault & responsible for where they r at the moment & both has to work to get out of this mess. If one has to be assertive then so be it, if Prem has to be demanding then so be it, if he has to be forceful then so be it, if he has to be insistent then so be it......or else Heer will never come out of that mould & she will suffer forever in her life, she will never see the happiness life has to offer, she will never ever be free, she will never ever be able to trust anybody & believe me its not healthy to bring up a kid in such a state of mind. Unknowingly the child will also pick up these traits from her mom because for all kids a mom is a role model.

A lot is at stake & to mend the wrongs Prem has to take actions & I am extremely happy he is taking matters in his own hands & its due high time!!

For me Prem has my best wishes & all the luck to him to get his Heer back, that old Heer which is lying hidden under all that layers of anger, hurt & betrayal!!!

And Smitha once again fantastic job!!

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Cess-

@Cess-

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Posted: 16 years ago

#13

hey bluefish!! i was reading your post, and i must say this is the first one i read based on your topic... i dont think anyone thought of the situations in the manner of which u did... while i really do appreciate and respect everyone's opinions, i would really disagree to your comments regarding prem and his actions...

firstly, i dont support you when you say he's being possesive... when has he been possesive?? now, that he is cornering and explaining to his own wife, how she - with her own hands - is destroying not only hers, but her daughter's life? or 6 years ago, when it didnt matter how many plans g3 had, prem never believed heer could betray him? it was only when the water was over and above his head, did he burst out in his anger and accused his heer of betrayal... so when, and where was prem possesive?? unlike all other BT heroes, prem is unique... he understands real love, and understands his heer... and that's where i jump to my next point...

we all know how much prem wants to be with chahat, but knowing he is legally has the right to atleast be acknowledge as her father, prem has never - and for that matter as he said - never will - ask for chahat's legal custody because he knows more than chahat is his daughter, she is heer's daughter first... when she was born, heer struggled yet gave her the best possible life there is to give her daughter - their daughter... and u accuse prem for not being there where he was most needed?? was he given a chance? if he followed heer wouldnt that insult heer more? wouldnt that be a betrayal of his love? wouldnt that be proving he really doesnt respect his heer??

i have always supported heer... always... but i was the same person to point out she will dig her own grave... and she did so... unknowingly she really did... so how can prem be blamed for all that has happened... if she wasnt to hide all about sameer , would this have ever even happened?? i may believe you can answer that yourself...

another point you make is his line 'maine tumhe maaf kiya'... we all know why prem said this... heer needs to learn to forgive a person because he isnt god... no one is... she was the same person to push him in a verge of being so unconcious he didnt realise and even remember what he did... and for that he suffered... not for a month, a year... but 6 years... every second, every moment feeling the pain he has caused to his very own heer... who means more to him than anyone else... isnt that punishment enough?? what prem tried to imply is how he knows to forgive... it wasnt literally what it means, but a kind of signal saying to isnt easy, but you must forgive... you must forget... you must let go!!

if only... if only heer allowed prem to be chahat's father... if only she told him she was pregnant... you say there is a difference between biologocal father and father?? can i ask you why not to accuse heer of not letting prem be a father when she could've... why? because the simple answer is she didnt want him to be in their life... so where would the question of normal delivery ect. even occur?? prem would love to have known.... would heer love to have told??

cornering heer isnt actually forcing her to tell him that she forgives him, but to make her realise how important he is in their life!! he wants her to realise that although they may be happy, but they are incomplete and alone without him... and he is trying to convey to heer that she - deep down - still, and always will love him... no matter what happens she will always need him, like she did when she lived 6 years without him... heer, although with hatred... lived every moment with prem in her mind... in her thoughts... in her heart...

finally, you are so right while saying actions speak louder than words... but prem tried with actions, and now with words... while you are contradicting yourself saying that action - prem cornering heer - speaks louder than words, then accusing prem of overcoming his guilt... i dont undertsand that theory... prem did all his convincing... all he could possibly do to get heer back, all he could say to get her to accept her love... no, he isnt trying to over come his guilt, but trying to show heer hers - the fact that after so many years of suffering over a mistake that occured due to heer's lies - she still is so un-understanding, so stubborn, so unlike his heer - who would believe he'd never even imagine of doing somethink like that on purpose!!! never - if she was the old heer.... prem's heer!!

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jass2897

@jass2897

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Posted: 16 years ago

#14

very well said and ur completely true

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sshekar

@sshekar

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Posted: 16 years ago

#15

Lana and Cess!
Well said!! You guys said it all! 😃

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Cess-

@Cess-

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Posted: 16 years ago

#16

smita!! ur the one who said everything... we just tried to add a little more... loved ur post... right-on every single word... great answers... 👍🏼

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brainychild92

@brainychild92

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Posted: 16 years ago

#17

i dont know how to color so im gonna comment in caps.. im not yelling tho, just to diffrenciate the posts

Originally posted by: bluefish

I like Prem a lot..and his love a lot..but in recent times with this rano wedding and constant challenging Heer...he has become very obsessive and harrasing her in my opinion. If he wants her back....it has to be done by winning her trust and respect over time...not by pushing her into a corner like this. HE TRIED.. BUT THE POOR GURL DON'T UNDERSTAND...
He is literally stalking her by coming to her office and house anytime he wants to. HE'S A CLIENT..LOL..
Prem's family also is contributing to her agony...Heer is only searching for a bride only on Bauji's insistence...and Gayatri calls her for Prem's ROka????????? What the ......? I mean I also want Prem and Heer to meet...but I think Prem and his Ma Bauji are doing too much by pulling heer in so many angles. YEAH THAT WAS KINDA STUPID BUT IF MA DIDNT, RANO WOULD'VE SO WHATEVER.

Prem says " maine tumhe maaf kiya " for what??? First he adivses Rano to go back....and blames heer for not finding a right girl? NO HE TOLD RANO TO LISTEN TO HER HEART.. HE'S NOT BLAMING HER, HE'S JUST TRYING TO SHOW HER ITS EASY TO FORGIVE, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE....DO IT..U NO..
Heer;s only fault was in not informing Prem about chahat...If Prem you duffer..instead of doing all this after 6 yrs..you would have the sense to run after heer and be with her while she was delivering ur child instead of sitting in cananda ans expecting heer to fly to you...maybe heer would not be so bitter in life.Agreed she gave you her izzat ka vasta...but you could have remained distant from her yet kept information of her ..and tried to support her financially atleastt...I find it really odd that after 6 yrsyou decided to get her in your life back...and she should do it at your pace?????? NO, PREM MOVED CUZ HEER TOLD HIM TO GIVE HER SPACE.. HEER IS WRONG.. AS FOR FINANCIALLY, SHE IS A JUNEJA!!! SHE HAS MONEY BUT SHE WONT USE IT CUZ SHE'S SCARED SHE'LL BE TRACKED OR SHE IS JUST TOO DUMB! ANYWAYS ITS BEEN 6 YEARS.. REMEMBER IN 6 YEARS HE BARELY FORGAVE HIMSELF SO YAH

Of cpurse...you have made a valuable contribution in producing chahat....one night of phingoli. Hows that comparable to Heers pregnancy and labour? Do you even know if Heer had normal delivery? Do you know know long she breastfed your daughter? there is difference being "father" and " biologicla father". YEAH BUT PREM WANTS TO BE DADDY.. HE IS TRYING TO BUT THAT GURL WON'T LET HIM NEAR CHAHAT AND THERE SHE IS WRONG

Stop forcing her....be away and distant but work for her benefit...do things to make her life better...find out what her dialy problems are and try to ease them....that over the time will make her respect you...and forgive you....GIVE HER SPACE and TIME for God Sake!!! NO SHE WONT, SHE'LL BLAME PREM FOR TRYING TO BUY HER FORGIVENESS...TRUST ME, I'M ALOT LIKE HER [EXCEPT IN NOT ALL SACRIFICING]

Challenging her is good....but this kind of cornering her will make her even more bitter...even if she breaks down and says " okay i forgive you" ..is that enough for you? You wnat her to love you and respect you...then you have to win her heart....not corner her like this. I THINK BY CORNERING HER HE IS SHOWING HER THAT HE ISNT BAD(LIKE W/RANO)

Love is not about wiining a baazi Prem..love is not about dialogues...action speaks louder than words...and how much ever you tell heer you love her...your action of sleeping with another woman makes all your words and dialogues very hollow....you need patience to win her back. you have to prove you are worthy of her respect again. TRUE..

Im reaaly feeling bad for heer.....yes she needs to soften and forgive Prem eventaully.....but this "forgive me and accept me otherwise I will marry some else" dhamki doesnt sound right to me at all. NO U GOT IT ALL WRONG... SHE WANTS HIM TO GET MARRIED AGAIN SO HE IS GOING THAT TO MAKE HER HAPPY BUT HE IS ALSO REMINDING HER THAT HE LOVEES ONLY HER AND SHE STILL HAS TIME...

Please Prem...breaking down and bending the person you love is not the way to gain that person's respect at all....all you are doing is making her more miserable.Mazak tak thik tha sab....now you came to her hosue and gave her a bhashan and making her feel guilty....Are you doing that to overcome your guilt Prem? I ANSWERED THIS QUESTION ON TOP..

If you don't agreewith me.. dont freak out and start cursing me... i respect your views.. i understand how u got that too.(through heer's eyes) but i want you to try and look at it from prem's point of view too what i tried to write..

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shantaus

@shantaus

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Posted: 16 years ago

#18

hello my dear friend..... most of us seem to be immensely in love with Prem-Heer because the way they are in their own way. the way they have been for each other, each one loves other person more than their own self. no?

then letus look at them for a min from their own point of view instead measuring form outside.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoiw6VrH9pM[/YOUTUBE]

For everyone who is demoralizing his actions by accusing it as stacking , cornering and what not let's look at 29th may 2008 episode. Would you call this also cornering , harassing what not . If so sorry you don't have to read rest of my POV, if not could you explain how this Prem today is different than May 2008 Prem. One the top it he is married to her now (by the way worldly rasme doesn't mean much to Prem does it). For me it is the same Prem with the same passion, fire and junoon. His obsession for Heer will never change, he is simply after her because he knows he can't live with out her and his chahat; same is true for Heer also.

Prem always have been for Heer, will be in future too. It is not just his love is eternal ... Prem himslef is eternal for that matter ..

Yes, you were right in calling Prem as duffer , but not for the right reason I guess, at least not right in my views. He is duffer because he just fell for Ash's cheap tricks instead of believing himself. He should have realized that He know his Heer is all levels of his consciousness, so how could he believe he would do anything with ash, let alone the reason may be that he was inebriated to an extent that he had no idea where he was. I am insanely angry on Heer for believing that Prem could do something like that and angry on Prem that he even thinkshe is capable of something like this.

As for him being drunk on that night!!!. Let us know even go there as that whole Sammer-Rajeev-Heer track spins my brain at speed of more than 2000 RPM. Less said the better about Heer lying to the glory '. Smita, lana said it all in her POV and I am not going to repeat it.

action speaks louder than words...and how much ever you tell heer you love her...your action of sleeping with another woman makes all your words and dialogues very hollow....

Not just his actions his whole life should speak for Prem. He shouldn't be explaining anything to anybody, not even to his Heer. Let me repeat, he owes no explantion not anymore. His whole life should been taken as example, he has been living every relation to truthfully and fully.. I can't even believe after all that people even have a heart to call him hallow.. !!!

As for as convincing Heer what else do you think he could have done.. Did he not wish her good luck thinking that she is going be happy marrying someone else, did he not stand there like a rock, hearing every singlething she said, even called him a womanizer and he is not fit to be a father(please tell me is that right ??). Do you know how hard it for someone softhearted like prem to take all that from someone he love a lot and again go behind her. He literally begged he, suffered in rains in front of her house.

Do you think Heer would take any financial help from him, knowing her. Do you know how hard it must be to live with the fact that his wife have to struggle hard to afford for his daughter's schooling when he himself is dead rich. Did we not hear Chahat saying no to doll to What else you expect prem do to ?? And why should he hide from her any more??? do you think he shold wait in the corner of the street till he is becomes 60 to find out his wife and kid did not lead a happy life; nor he had any chance to convince them.
Rest all is said and done by others.

As for as Heer problems are understandable. Many of us wrote in many similar threads.

Prem has to go after Heer, he is just doing whatever makes sense to awaken Heer 's love for him. Do you remember all the things Heer said and did to make Prem confess during heart hole track. Do you think it was wrong for Heer to force herfself upon Prem, also she put on act of drinking & being desperate to get pregnant doesn't matter with whom. She was doing whatever makes sense to make him realize, right ?? then why is Prem wrong now....

At the end, fact remains the same. When one go out of track other does whatever makes sense to bring them back to on track. Everything is fair in LOVE. By the way it is not about just Prem - Heer any more, also about Chahat.

Edited by shantaus - 16 years ago

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Farida

@Sangam786

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Posted: 16 years ago

#19

Very well written --

Yes it is so Very True.... Let's see what is in store for us (Viewers) to watch in the coming days.... Kudos to you 👏

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maya123

@maya123

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Posted: 16 years ago

#20

You make a lot of sense and you would have been spot on had premeer been a couple living in this world.

They are a couple living in this world but not from this world! and to understand this you have to have been part of their journey from the beginning of this serial and more importantly on this forum!!

Your views may well match those of people outside of this forum who have been watching the serial from the beginning.

But for this forum, premeer are one. They have always complimented each other with their actions and they have always reciprocated their actions towards each other in similar ways.

So do not even try to understand the response you are getting. Just celebrate love in its purest form.

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