8,9 jul '09: big things, little things - Page 2

Originally posted by: riks1

vandana. 🤗

OMG estee...wat a noble thought abt the animated version of this show.......

ya, i know. won't it be totally cool??! 😍 it's just that i wonder -- will it have the same effect? 😆

hmmm.......as far as ur take on the 8th btlt is concerned.......i have a totally different view....to say the truth...i cried with prem that day........

*sigh* what can i say? i think i liked him in the episode before -- where he meets her face to face. when she walked into the room, or when she came close to him with the matchstick alight, i felt my heart race more than the 8th ka show. on the 8th, while i felt sorry for him, i ... i sooo wanted him to basically just act neanderthal. 6 saal kay baad.. bas! ho gaya! rona bandh!

😆 *sigh* if only it was that easy, no? i totally like your take that he is respecting his wife's wishes - and so stayed away. i like the idea - but can't figure out that it's only that idea coming from that one refusal of heer's to stay with him that drove prem to canada. or for him to stay away for so long!

btw, you asked in another (monday's?) bt,lt why i thought that prem knows about his child, but is deliberately staying away from her and heer? well, it's to do with this idea of total love that you described, no? that prem loves heer sooo much that he can respect her wishes to be on her own above his need to be with her. and same way, he loves her so much that he will sacrifice his need to know his daughter so that heer can be comfortable and happy with their child -- if she, heer, will feel sad with him around -- no? 😍 i dunno... it's something that i can imagine prem ''mein-bhagwan-nehi-hoon-heer'' juneja to do. 😍😃

but....you cool down...omg ...itna gussa.........thand rakho estee........😊

ooh! remember when prem said that to heer??! that day of harman's wedding? heer gets very sad during the ceremony, and runs off to the garden? and he follows her. and she tells him that if he leaves then she will never talk to her god again. and prem - *siiiiggggh!* - comes and cuddles her from the back, and said ''it-na gussa''. he said it soooo sweetly! 😍 now whenever i see this phrase, i think of his voice saying it...

sorry....i'm in a hurry.....so couldn't reply in details...as the show is abt to start in 25 min....

no matter. i'm happy to see you here in your usual first spot 😆 and i always love hearing whatever you have to say, madam prem-diwani-par-excellence. have phun...

Originally posted by: -Nansy-

meeeeeeeeeeeeeee

yoooouuuuu!!!! 🤗

hmmm. in another ... five minutes, check the bt,lt again... 🤣

Originally posted by: Soaps1

yea estee i too am mad at the show ... i too don't like to see things in repeat ... i too wanted this story to move forward and no restart ... but i will keeo my mouth shut because i don't want to be accussed of spreadiing negativity on the forum 🤣

soaps! 😆 how can anyone accuse you of spreading negativity on the phorum??! btw, where is any negativity on this phorum?? with our habit of converting anything and everything into ''ph'', i thought we were a ph+ phorum. 🤣

actually, i was tolerant of their doing those old ''prem-heer'' scenes afresh -- was curious how they were gonna do it. after all, it's not easy to have prem and heer ''discover'' themselves afresh -- unless they really got their brains knocked around and lost their memory, no? and i'm actually pleased that they have not used any of the extremely hysterical plot tricks like amnesia. i guess they finished using all the old tricks when they got prem to come back from the dead -- that too, thinking that he had a hole in the hea[d/rt]! 🤣

but man, did i boil over when they took ''aaj mein prem juneja....'' damn their black souls! i keep wondering how the same team that created the raasta roko and ''aaj mein prem juneja'' also rip up the same scenes! *sigh* maybe i did over-react a tad. but the original ''aaj mein prem juneja ... '' is just such perfection. *sigh*

y'think i should go back and remove some of the ''creatives are slime-streaks'' statements? 😕

i watch the show only for HC and his acting now it doesn't attract me the way it use to before ... may be someday it will again but not at the moment ... mainly because i dunno what happened six years ago and i am unable to understand why heer feels so much disgust for Prem ... anger i can understand ... she didn't forgive him unacceptable but still i can make myself understand but the disgust she showed in yesterday's epi totlly put me off

*sigh* me too being forced to keep ''finger on my lips'' and w&w for them to slooooowwwwwwwwlllllyyyyy tell us what this whole six year thingie disgusted heer? where? did i miss s'thing? wasn't it just a lot of miserable heer and defensive heer and angry heer? now where did the disgust come in? or was it a smidgeon that i missed while i was boiling over? 😆

personally, i'm seeing a lot of repeated stuff in hc+ag's acting just now -- and i think i'm becoming allergic to seeing hc-as-prem cry/weepy. i much preferred the prem who was deep and dark and firm with heer when she came to tell him not to attend ''her'' wedding please in his office. *sigh* can i have more of ''that'' prem and heer, pleeeeeaaaase!?

😆

Originally posted by: -Bee-

But I have to say, E, your reaction to that segment on 8th July is pretty much a polar opposite of half of the forum's. 😆 That segment had everyone crying (literally in tears). I don't even cry much in movies and TV shows, and I cried for that... *sigh* But, I do agree that the gaps in the 6 year leap are irritating everyone...

eh... i just got bugged by their using ''aaj mein prem juneja...''

you mean, you felt miserable seeing that part??? i thought his telling her he loved her and that ''he would wait for her even before she left'' was awesome. that, and his pure desperation to get that message across to her. not to mention heer going totally shell-shocked hearing the raw honesty of his words, or the sincerity in his eyes.

and in the middle of that honesty, for them to put in ''aaj mein prem juneja...'' -- *rage, rage, rage* as if they knew that it was something that we all worshipped. as if they knew they could jerk us around! *rage, rage, rage!*

it was like phhandooh#3 on the night that prem and heer got married, and slept by gayatri-mom's bed. the phhandooh before that was sooo pure. and then, in the next phhandooh, the way they shot prem's face. made me blink and think -- damn, these people are using hc to deliberately fog our heads!

*edit add*

I have to say, problems with gaps in the storyline aside, I love the pacing of the show nowadays.

no, i agree. i don't think it's the pacing of the story. it's the ordering of the damn story! 🤣

Oh, you finally saw a SBS?! Joy!!!!! Yup, HC is irritated by 'uncle', but poor thing, that's because both the mother-daughter duo are hell-bent on calling him 'uncle' 😆 AG calls him 'Prem uncle' sometimes.

😆 ya, my evil pcp claimed that i just had to see it, else my bt,lts would sound completely stoopid and ignorant. i shouldn't have listened to her -- i forgot she is plain evil. ya, i remember a couple of segments that i watched before i boycotted these shows. ag proudly claimed that she was still young, and that she irritated him by calling him prem uncle. 😆 i really think ag is a very cool dude.

I think this pic will help you keep that 'finger on your lips'

If Prem can do it, so can you, E! 😆 When this segment came out, everyone pointed me towards this cap, for obvious reasons...

🤣

he looks like such a riot! and s'how, i think that prem is a whole lot more disciplined 'bout life than i'm ever gonna be, bee. and that's the sad truth of the matter. unless of course, you meant that finger on my lips? 🤣

Anyway, I think both Prem and Heer act a bit idiotic at times. I have a theory, which Triv knows about, and that's the fact that these two not only share a heart (remember the ek dil, do tukde), but also only one brain. Which leads to stupid acts by both of them...

🤣

ya, makes sense. and that would soooo fit with the prem-heer-are-one philosophy anyway! 🤣

Originally posted by: KDHMDfan

boy did you let off steam or what !!!!! *phew* *still trying to see through the smoke coming out of the screen*

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That was quite a rant, E!

it was rather harsh. and very long, no? i guess i saw red the moment he started on the ''aaj mein... '' and ended by saying ''i want you to be happy with someone else''!!! *rage!* that was one of the most beautiful things prem juneja has ever done on this show. right there in the top five list of beautiful prem things and they use it here?? as if to distract our brains with their delaying-telling-us-the-story tactics??!

y'know - there's an old song called ''american pie'' with a set of lines that go:

''Oh, and there we were all in one place,
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again.
So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
Jack flash sat on a candlestick
Cause fire is the devil's only friend.

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
No angel born in hell
Could break that satan's spell.
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw satan laughing with delight
The day the music died''

substitute music with the prem-heer-are-one story and the devil with brainless story-tellers who would rather use a quick gimmick than write a clean straight tale and i thought the lines fit my mood perfectly.

After watching the epi I felt that both Heer and Prem are still at the same place where they were on that day 6 years ago! Their wounds are still as raw. Heer feels totally betrayed and its almost as if she has lost faith in humanity and in her own judgement about people.

ya, i felt crushed for heer. she has truly lived her whole life for prem, no? i mean, prem has always had other ... responsibilities. heer, brought up in a conservative traditional village home has always known that one day she will go with her companion, away from her home, and spent her whole life waiting for that companion. finds him, trusts him, loves him, is loved and trusted back -- and then, one day, in a moment of a heartbeat, even after all her efforts to try to make it stick together -- it spins out of control. i truly felt her pain when she said that she has not felt anything for the last six years than the pain of that breakup.

*shiver* i can't even imagine something like that being the only thing in a life for all of six years.

y'know? i've seen rape victims from villages. they really are people who have very few choices in life. and the rape just shatters them. i have seen very young girls lose their husbands and then become ''widows'' -- who then lose their lives as they have known it. but even such people -- unless they go mad and get institutionalised, or just kill 'emselves -- adapt and start to learn life again.

these two, otoh? they are still walking talking gaping wounds.

man, do i need to know what happened six years ago! *sigh* ''finger on my lips''.

Even in this instance I don't think she would have ever believed it no matter who said what if it wasn't Prem himself who told her.

yup, i agree.

I think that the only thing that can heal Heer is Prem and likewise for Prem. Not even Chahat, I think.

yup, i agree with this too. she is just (to use legal jargon if i may 😆) the facilitator! although from what heer said to prem yesterday, i can't imagine how he can convince her. well, other than by staying next to her and loving her to death.

*sigh* which he seems to have zero inclination to do!

But despite all this I still can't believe that the Heer of Prem-Heer-are-one would, let alone should, keep the knowledge of his child from Prem. I can't excuse that.

hmm... why is that inexcusable? if she truly believes that he is not hers anymore. that she has no relationship with him, why would this not be natural?

for instance (i wrote this s'where else) our worst case scenario for ashlesha is to land up one day, kid in tow, claiming that it's prem's child? and we would think her crass and a villain for coming to prem when he is in love with someone else, no? well, maybe heer thinks the same -- that prem is in love with someone else, and she thinks it's crass to bring up that there is a love-child of his and hers into his life just now.

i thought she was truly horrified when he grabbed her and told her he had never stopped loving her. i think that shocked her out of whatever she has been believing of prem just now? that prem is not happily settled into another life with another person. that he was being sincere at ambala station?

and i think (believe, hope, whatever you want to call it) she will tell prem 'bout their kid -- soon. once his message to her that he loves her has truly sunk in?

And I think despite his misery Prem, more than anyone else, understands where heer is coming from and therefore is willing to leave.

grr.like he left her six years ago, remember. and for what? so that she could get over his mistake. take time to adjust to it. great. so he's given her six years. now what is he waiting for?? basically, i didn't understand how he just stated -- and then left! no persuasion. no persuing. no grab-her-by-her-hair-and-drag-her-off-to-his-cave! no none of the unfair play that can actually win heer in a battle for her love! damn it! if he can slap her, and fling her, and roar at her in front of people, what's wrong with a little unfair play to con her into admitting she wants him and can't live without him?? what?

But after so many years, after seeing what it has done to her family, what prem has suffered, let alone regret her actions (I never expected her to ever want to mend anything) but to actually continue to plot and sheme *splutter, splutter*'...I have no words for it!

*sigh* i know. all this time, i thought i could devise schemes to explain what she was doing. today? i'm at a loss... and yes, she is creepy as heck. i know i called veera vitchface and thought she had vampire blood in her veins. i think she inherited those genes from gaali-ma.

Does she not realise that however much she tries she can never separate prem and heer 'cos even if they are apart, they live in each others hearts and nothing can change that.

no, and thank goodness for it! or i have a feeling she'd be even more venomous in her efforts against them! actually... *thinking* ... it could actually have been her that had prem and the juneja's move to canatta. and spend the last six years not giving a fig to keep track of heer?

I like your idea of the kid being like Krishna. I hadn't thought of it that way, but the more I think about it the more I like the idea of Krishna (chahat) dancing on the snake's head (gaali ma).

😍 ya, wouldn't that be cool?? *sigh* pity i'm rarely right when i have cool ideas... 😆

Show due to start now and Prem is supposed to meet his daughter today. So off to watch it now.

well? did they meet? i hope it was phun!

Originally posted by: hope08

but we need to know whether we are in the ramayan mode or mahabharat. because BG they use for Gaya3 is something on Kaikayie. Well i do truly want this child to give gaya3 everything back with interest. i am waiting for the day when gaya3's plan will fail because of the kid's actions. even Chahat shuting Gaya3 up will do.

well, now that i've introduced the idea into my own head, i'm very curious to see this stuff happen too!! 😆

I agree that Heer is wrong in keeping the kid away from Prem but I think she's too hurt to think beyond that.

btw, i don't think heer is wrong in keeping the kid away from prem -- just wrote it out in post earlier to this. i know that if i were in her shoes, and believed what heer does 'bout prem (at least upto now), then i wouldn't either. in addition -- there is somehting that made prem and the juneja's ''abandon'' heer in india alone and shift off to canatta whole sale!

i'm w&w to see how much that thing has to do with heer keeping the kid away from prem. 'cause ... well, ''there are more things in heaven and earth, horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy'' 😆 why is it that shakespeare came up with all the good lines? 😆

I think she's just living for the kid and nothing else and she doesn't want anything to rock the boat. But poor thing she has no clue that cyclone called prem is headed her way. one that'll take her and her kid with him and hopefully will be with them forever.

*sigh* which brings me back to your first q: are we in ramayan or mahabharat? 'cause in ramayan, children go with father after they are old enough, and mom lives on her own. sticking with her philosophy that after those tests of ram's she cannot live with him! s'thing of what heer is saying today, no? the only way for this to not happen is if everyone (ie, prem and heer) find out that prem didn'thavesexwith ashlesha, no?

HC thing:

AG thing:

agreed with both those things. 😍 and as i said earlier -- while hc-as-prem was eye-candy a long time ago, i thought ag-as-heer ''act'' was always quite marvellous. just that the charisma of who heer was came slowly.

HC-AG thing: one thing i am extremely happy about is no matter how crappy the track is one thing has not changed at all in all this time and that is when these two are given a scene,

😆 true. oh, so very true. 😍

Originally posted by: Anhdara13

Bee's right, your reaction to 8th July episode is so different from everyone else's. Heh.

*singing estreee-esteee, quite contrareee, how does your garden grow??!!!*


Erm, yeah, I actually got to pay attention to the episodes, which I loved. I mean, we got the return of boss-Prem na? Nevermind that you got angry, very, very mad, but boss-Prem E! I saw him, and remembered you. 😆
of course! i adore boss-prem. but he was in tuesday's episode. wednesday, he was a drippy rain-cloud-prem, dripping and then leaving immediately after the show. me wants boss prem -- 24x7. and me wants boss-prem to kick some proverbial butt!

[And Bhaskar Bharti is way too distracting. You know Rampal is in it? And he's utterly hilarious!]

ya! bhaskar bharat -- the one about the gender switches, no? 😲 ratpal is in the show??? and he is actually good??! i'm sooo used to that one-sided smirk of his from our show.. 😆

Originally posted by: sshekar

OMG...E! 🤗

omg, smits!!! ya, i got the omg! (truly are we synchronised on the prem-heer-infected-brain-waves or what??! 🤣)

Little things I need to mention -

- I gave up on gaali ma long time ago...*sigh* She is lost beyond redemption

i guess. she was creepy yesterday... how could she do that??!

- I can understand why he walked away. Heer's question from the station is still fresh in his mind. He feels guilty about it..still. And although Prem knows, had he been in her shoes, he would have never married, at the same time, he does not begrudge Heer the happiness. Love...not always means being selfish...and that was one heck of a selfless act! It takes a real man to own up to his mistakes and to walk away from the love of his life. Heer needed to see that...

sure, smits. i totally get that. but smits? isn't that what he did when he up and left -- lock, stock and bloomin' baggage -- to canatta??!

y'know? my gripe was not that he walked away. my gripe was that he did it again. that he came to deliver the ily speech before he walked away! why was that necessary? that was like making sure she knew of his feelings -- before he let her go. and that would not have been the truly noblest of ways to leave her to her happiness, no? unless... that was to serve a different purpose altogether. imho, it was to let her know that he was there ... if she should need him. willing, and waiting for her, like he always has.

so the only way i could worm prem out of my being white-hot mad at him, was to think: he did that grand-standing act after watching her dance with that guy. but then, go off looking miserable to the side, moping by herself. he went to her then! when he noticed she was miserable. and when he phhandoohed with her, what was it that he must've read in her eyes? it couldn't have been what heer said with her words ''let me go, prem''. no, there must've been s'thing deeper -- the pain of prem-heer-are-one-and-not-together in her eyes. and i'm thinking that he suddenly had a spark of hope that not all was lost between him and heer and that he had to give them another chance.

i wonder what would've happened if he hadn't run into that guy and the soni-girl smooching in a dark room...

but me? i suspect far less noble motives in prem speeching before walking off. i just didn't like the absoluteness of that walking off. one act didn't match the other, at least not in my head.

-And finally the OMG moment. You talked about Chahat being Krishna...and yesterday in the EDT I mentioned the same..except that I did not call her Krishna. I totally totally believe that the little girl be the one for the gaali ma's downfall! And isn't that what Krishna said...one must fight the family if need be to rid the world of evil...and gaali-ma is as evil as they come. **shudder**

omg! well, i didn't have it as well thought out as you as the daughter being the one who will strengthen prem-and-heer to fight against the evil of gaali-maa. but man, that is certainly what i ''vision-ed'' in my krishna-dancing-on-the-snake's-head! and when you think 'bout it, a kid -- 'specially one with perception -- which prem and heer's child is bound to have! ☺️ then, i guess there can be a story to pull that off? freeing prem and heer from gaali's clutches???

I am glad..you thought along the same lines too...lots of hope for the future..no?

er... as long as it's the near future and not the really far future. my patience training is rapidly running out of steam! 😆

Originally posted by: ash08

Hey E 🤗

hey ash. 🤗

Your 8th bt.lt was wow (for lack of a better word). Triv's pathshala in Hindi and ur bt,lt in English. God save the show makers 😆 You cooled off a bit now? I hope so.

gee... was i that transparent?? *running off to read the set of lines with all the ''slime-streaks'' comments and trying to look horrified rather than more than just a little pleased....* well, i think i have cooled off. but it doesn't take that much remembering to get me back into fuming mode again. i have epe/ephe -- it's seriously beginning to worry me...

I am feeling that they are still finding a very good reason for the six year time shift and so they are going around giving us the story without the reasons.

*sigh* that doesn't raise my hopes too much! so far, i've been keeping ''finger on my lips'' 'cause everyone has persuaded me there is a good story to explain what happened six years ago. and i'm already connecting dots with straight lines between things that happened way before the slope to today! i do hope they have a story! *nervous muh*

But for me I kinda understand her point. The past six years she has lived and survived only because of this kid. And as u said one look at Prem and it turns her world upside down. She doesnt know the family dynamics of the j-zoo. From her point of view, the last six years Prem had his family with him. But for her, she was alone and then came her daughter who became her world.

i think that i agree with keeping the kid partly for the reasons you gave above -- that she was truly all alone. i wonder if she ever contemplated killing herself -- i mean, she had lost everything in life that had meaning for her! and that sense ties in with my understanding of what heer said when she said that she was severing all ties with prem or his family. she took nothing from there. no possessions, no relationsihps. she was truly alone when she left. this kid is truly the only thing that links heer to a life here...

Maybe she fears that j-zoo might go for a custody battle if they come to know abt chahat? At this thought I felt that maybe Heer knows abt G3 and her hatred towards Heer. Then G3 would want the kid but not Heer. How would Heer survive without Prem and Chahat?

ewww!! i never even thought of this angle! i think it could be a seriously real one -- except, prem's passionate little speech about how much he loves her. that has to count for something new to heer, no? it looked like that to me. like she had expected prem to have a life and a lover all this time he has been away, but he doesn't? so it's not clear to me that she need fear that, no? i think she probably knows jzoo is on her side -- 'xcept for gaali and ... 'cause of gaali, prem?

you are right -- gotta w&w.. *sigh* i guess this is a bad time to discover that i truly hate waiting!!!

😆 see you ash, have phun...

^{Hi Estee,}

^{again, wonderful work of art admiration !! It is always a pleasure reading your POV.}

^{here is my 2 cents on 8th July}

^{while Heer dancing. the way Prem was looking at Heer without even blinking ..the burning passion in his eyes, boy he knows how to cry even while holding his tears back. my heart broken in to thousand pieces looking at him like that.😭 I must say .. Yuyu touching Heer hands while dancing was totally unnecessary}

^{what a pair of eyes that brimmed with tears of love and anger at the same time.. What Shivering lips when Heer says .hat chodo,,, chale jaa yaha se... I went.😭😍 at same time. What a force in which he close her month just realizing in a split second that he is probably hurting her or may be realizing that he doesn't hold that authority on her any more.. 😭}

^{I have different view on his proclamation on 8th July.. I literally cried with him on his this ...}

^{"Main Prem Juneja ,... inn hawaonko saakshi maan ke ... Fizzaonko saakshi maanke..appne bhagvaan ko saakshi maan ke.. Guru ko sakshi maanke thume duwa detaha hum (unlike last time this time he left maata pita kjo saakshi maan kar.. his mind must dropped it subconsciously 😆😆😆) "}

^{I am not sure what else Prem could have done?? Prem being Prem .. he knows that she will not accept him back in her life, being filled with guilt, all he could do is give her good wishes..no ?? it was so apparent that he was so helpless and week !!! even though he said he is happy for her, obviously he was not happy. 😕😡🤢}

^{Harshad rocked with his voice magic on this. Harshad breaks all records for me with his VM. I will tell you.. he is soooo not meant just for small screen anymore.. He has reached pinnacle .of acting skills.. Some one BW grab him please .... 😍😍😍}

^{When he holds Yuyu's shirt, all I could see is his HEER obsession reminded me June 17th manmeet time. The same junoon .. Same anger, just that this time he made fool out of himself when realized that Heer is not yuyu's bride 😆😆}

^{Estee, finally you are convinced that Gmom is not sick and undeeamble .( he he I formed a new word)..... 😆😆}

^{As for as Heer-Harman, it was nicely done, finally Harman had a chance to show some real emotions after a long time 😆😆.. but I was really jealous that she was more emotional for Harman but for prem he was all 😡😡 I know it is a different equation.. But I was in the moment 😃😃}

^{Poor Prem, what a dreaded life he has been leaving !!! getting hit in all directions.. hopefully his little chahat will bring him some sunshine...}

^{Again Heer was brilliant not shedding tears in front of Prem yet crying inside-out ' also her portrayal of getting hopeless when it comes to prem yet put up a strong attitude 👏👏}