3 apr: big things, little things

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'm not sure what things there were in the show tonight. i saw it. i felt ... blue after. but these days, my life doesn't allow me the luxury of wallowing in that feeling. i'm afraid that me and this show have a very short time left with each other... and i'm really afraid that prem's not gonna get his prem-heer-are-one-and-i-can't-leave-her-ever! act together before i go!!

omg! that's just like prem thinks he has left in this world!!! *i'm seriously creeped out - prem and i have these creepy links... and unlike him, i am not bhagwan! i just want to be one to find out how prem-heer-are-one will prevail now! and if i cannot find out before i .... oh, unbearable thought! mera kya hoga, kalia??! *

* heer thing: isn't she wonderful in how she always, always, always focusses on being prem-heer-are-one? no, really. she does. prem has all these conditions for being prem-heer-are-one. but heer? for her, that's the only thing she seems to know, breathe, live. i wonder if prem knows that... i wonder if he knows that voluntarily walking away will be total betrayal of prem-heer-are-one for her?

'cause it's one thing to think that a blast -- something totally out of his control -- took him away from her. it's totally something else to know that he voluntarily willingly walked away from her, no? 😕 is there anything that can rationalise that act of prem's? death imminent or no death imminent? for heer? for me? for us? *i have a sad feeling not...*

* prem thing: and this was sooooo not the moment for prem to allow his alter-ego hip-hop prem to show up! it just wasn't!

was it any wonder that heer absolutely refused to accept that front end anymore? *omg! the hurt look in her eyes when he tries to be hip-hop was out of this world fantastic!*

* prem voice thing: and when she threatens to not believe her god, is it any wonder that he has to revert to being prem and hold her? and for me? just as much -- or more?! -- than his holding her was that softly voiced reaction in ''itna gussa!'' there was such understanding in that voice. 😍 *man, hc rocks prem's loving voice to heer... that voice is the one thing that could stand between me and me hating prem! 🤣*

the total love in that voice is what completely throws me off in his dogged persistence about leaving. i just. don't. get it. *sigh* maybe i need to w&w to see what he actually does. maybe prem -- as always -- will surprise me again. 'cause what i'm reading is that he will leave...

* little thing: 'kay. what's with gaurav-mom tracking prem? at first i thought she is paranoid that she will lose him if she loses sight of him. but darnit! he is holding on to his promise, inn't he?? why can't she let him - them - have their privacy!? 😡 i despise peeping ... women in these shows! i do!

* little thing: gah. what a horrible flashback. to know that prem -- based on a lie?? -- certainly and finally chose to turn away from the junejas.. and heer! *how could he...? doesn't make sense...*

* stooopid thing: ''you wouldn't want me to be defeated, would you?'' idjut! with no prem-heer-are-one you are less than you could be! how much more of a defeat do you want? why are you sooo afraid to live just 'cause death is a little closer than you earlier thought? death is inevitable prem! it is! what are you trying by running away 'cause it's been preponed??

argggh!!!! i don't get what prem's doing! especially after he's been through the blast! argh!!! *forcing myself to draw deep breaths and postpone the hyperventilation for theweekend's wtf..*

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: well, one thing's for sure -- this show cannot possibly be a good one if it gets focussed on harman-maya's life... 🤣

*stop making those shocked faces* not that i thought it ever would... but they've actually had a full happy wedding ceremony for these two. *thinking* hey! maybe that's the only happy thing they could ever imagine for them, that's why?

* cool thing: prem's gift to harman rocked. no, seriously. it was a wonderful gesture.

i remembered that he was the guy who told harman that if he came to visit, he'd get his favourite juice, but no family connections. and he now gives him a spare key! how generous! giving harman the choice of living where he wants. but leaving the door open if he should want to come to jzoo! what a wily fox prem is, when he wants to be!

*sigh* why can't he be this smart about living with heer? just 'cause someone and he are one and the same, does it really mean that not living together doesn't matter? *sigh* but i want them to live together... i want him to see heer's hairs turn white. slowly, i mean! not all of them suddenly out of the shock when he volunatarily leaves her! *lopsided grin*

* little thing: but that bhashan bored! at least, it bored me. the only part i thought was cute during that bhashan was how heer was all proud and smiling, her eyes basically saying ''see!-that's-my-prem!'' in front of the whole crowd! she was seriously cute.

*sigh* why does heer love prem sooooo much?

* little thing: how rude! in the middle of prem's gift, maya just turns and leaves! what a horribly brought up person!

* little thing
: geez! harman must be the blindest person ''in love'' -- well, after nihaal. 😆 he actually thought maya ran up in the middle to ... pack to leave for jzoo?!!

man! harman! she left you to die once, remember. what more does it take you to ... sense that maya's love for you is of a very twisted sort!? *and i'm thinking that there's a good business case to be made for starting a home-for-stoooopid-husbands... nihaal and harman would pay much for admission into such a place! 😆*

* little thing: but hey! harman decides to get a backbone! i, for one, thought he deserved some kind of a pat-on-the-back for reminding maya that he'd never promised her a life in her father's house. and that the choice was really hers about what she wanted to do. that was cool. *thumbs up*

* little thing: 'kay! maya-dad came in too fast for me to not know that he listened to the convo.

and guys, seriously, no one else thinks there's something dark and twisted in the maya-maya-dad love? i mean, seriously??! 🤢

* little thing: hey, maya? we got the khoon-ka-ansoon line the first time. we got you're the next dirtchachi-wanna-be. we are very sensitive to evil in this show, given how we have the ... whitest counterparty of good and love ever created -- ie, prem-heer.

we get you're evil, 'kay? don't need to repeat it.. *and good luck trying to match dirtchachi-actress in convincing us... *

* little thing: gayatri-mom trying to make maya and maya-dad feel not bad 'bout her leaving home. that was a very genuine thing to say.

what a nice lady she can be. y'know? i used to think there was something a little twisted in how she used to be so very prem-centric earlier. i hope that in her post-vegetative life, she's gonna be a more loving mom to everyone -- particularly (god) preet. he's been getting his fair share of paternal love. and now, he seriously deserves some maternal love.

*sigh* i'm w&w... but as i said earlier, i hope that prem comes to his senses fast. unlike the fictional world of this show, my life is gonna take far-far away from the show and this forum real soon now. and i'd like to leave knowing that prem doesn't leave the care&maintenance of prem-heer-are-one all to heer, while he goes off, spinning on someone's thoughtless lie...

what am i talkin' 'bout? look out for this weekend's wtf. where we may have some wt's. we will certainly have a pooja. and an announcement. for those who care... w&w. 🤔😆

highlight of the show: hmmm. not much to choose from, no? for me? the phhandooooh when prem says ''itna gussa!'' in that loving voice and holds heer close to him. holding her, comforting her, and yet not having the gumption to take her tears face on. *thinking* actually, his voice when he says ''itna gussa!'' was quite a highlight. i've been thirsting to hear that prem-voice talking to heer for ... oh! ever so long! 😍

poor heer. poor prem. if only they stopped feeling for a moment, and thought in that moment. maybe that way, it will still be prem-heer-are-one-and-staying-together before.... *sigh* ... well, i hope it will be so before the end of next week. *keeping my fingers crossed -- d'you know how difficult it is to do that and type stuff out?!?! 🤣*

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Meow! Hiya!
Unreserved!
Um...where are you going? Why are you going? You're not gonna...? You...oh no you don't...you better not be thinking what I think you're thinking! *glares*
I shall put that aside for now...
Yeah Maya and Baldie-2 so have a twisted relationship. It's like...I dunno...but Maya is pure evil. I mean, dude, after marriage, it's pretty DUH that you need to leave your daddy dearest's house and live at your sasuraal, but nooooo...and why? IMO that's the big question: why is Maya so dependent on Daddy? Because they're partners-in-evil? Hmmmm...
The Prem-Harman thing was so sweet. As in, how Prem gave him the keys to the house (MAJOR issues with that!!!) and Harman was just so...overjoyed. That was probably the sweetest wedding gift Prem could give them.
Did you SEE Maya's reaction when LJ gave Harman the pocketwatch? Ugh! Materialistic, self-centred...evil...SHRIMP!............Heh. Yeah, shrimp.
Okay I think my brain's kinda dead, so I'll say more at the wtf.
Speaking of which, you won't be gone for long will you??? We're gonna miss you! *bawls* What are we gonna do without our preetstess? *more crying*
Love,
Bhav :(
Edited by sourpuss - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Estuuuu....three bug hugs to you....I wait for your BT & LT as they are way different from my analysis....and I am compelled to write my analysis but refraining because I dont want to.
It saddens me that every time I think that the creatives have bought the magic back, they go and show something that is so out of character.
Agreed, he is in pain, Agreed he is not letting his feeling show but I really want Prem to break down once and for all.
The story line does not make sense to me. The script is sooo weak and I just cant defend Prem any more. He is no longer The prem for me. He has stopped existing to be Prem for me.
In fact so has Heer stopped being Heer for me. I need the essence of Prem - Heer are one to be back. I need them together. The whole show has lost it and makes no sense to me.
*resigned to fate that this show is heading the typical bt way* and the day it happens, I will bid adieu to this show. I need my prem back...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Estee 🤗 so this is the time once has to be awake to catch your post in time.!!
😆😆

Originally posted by: estee

'm not sure what things there were in the show tonight. i saw it. i felt ... blue after. but these days, my life doesn't allow me the luxury of wallowing in that feeling. i'm afraid that me and this show have a very short time left with each other... and i'm really afraid that prem's not gonna get his prem-heer-are-one-and-i-can't-leave-her-ever! act together before i go!! you will go and come back me thinks 😆 maybe not to write the bt,lt but to follow premeer. 😆 you see the have installed their tracking chip under your skin. trust me on this one 😆

omg! that's just like prem thinks he has left in this world!!! *i'm seriously creeped out - prem and i have these creepy links... and unlike him, i am not bhagwan! i just want to be one to find out how prem-heer-are-one will prevail now! and if i cannot find out before i .... oh, unbearable thought! mera kya hoga, kalia??! * guess somewhere inside his soul he always knew that theirs would be a painful relationship. but being prem he always wanted to make it all 'right' and reached the limit of saying he is not bhagwan. how many of us even try to be godlike. (though i must say i do not like his way of being bhagwan like - at heer's expense.)

and what will happen to you - time will take care of that 😊

* heer thing: isn't she wonderful in how she always, always, always focusses on being prem-heer-are-one? no, really. she does. prem has all these conditions for being prem-heer-are-one. but heer? for her, that's the only thing she seems to know, breathe, live. i wonder if prem knows that... i wonder if he knows that voluntarily walking away will be total betrayal of prem-heer-are-one for her? yup, she re-invented herself to make him confess, took care of all people dear to him. she is rock solid. he can trust her with his eyes closed. somewhere, (amongst all his warped thing) he knows that she will be fine. she is one with him. he does not worry about himself and so he does not worry about her.

'cause it's one thing to think that a blast -- something totally out of his control -- took him away from her. it's totally something else to know that he voluntarily willingly walked away from her, no? 😕 is there anything that can rationalise that act of prem's? death imminent or no death imminent? for heer? for me? for us? *i have a sad feeling not...* in such circumstances, one wants to taste life till the last drop, and spend time with loved ones. but for him he does not value life; strange especially for one who has just suffered a real death experience. i wish he did not take heer to be bhagvan too.😕

* prem thing: and this was sooooo not the moment for prem to allow his alter-ego hip-hop prem to show up! it just wasn't! i did not like that. so unlike hc to slip out of character. where was the director?

was it any wonder that heer absolutely refused to accept that front end anymore? *omg! the hurt look in her eyes when he tries to be hip-hop was out of this world fantastic!* that was a heart breaking hug.

* prem voice thing: and when she threatens to not believe her god, is it any wonder that he has to revert to being prem and hold her? and for me? just as much -- or more?! -- than his holding her was that softly voiced reaction in ''itna gussa!'' there was such understanding in that voice. 😍 *man, hc rocks prem's loving voice to heer... that voice is the one thing that could stand between me and me hating prem! 🤣*

the total love in that voice is what completely throws me off in his dogged persistence about leaving. i just. don't. get it. *sigh* maybe i need to w&w to see what he actually does. maybe prem -- as always -- will surprise me again. 'cause what i'm reading is that he will leave... he probably will not but i so wanted it because he could see heer's pain. hc's voice as prem is just perfect.

* little thing: 'kay. what's with gaurav-mom tracking prem? at first i thought she is paranoid that she will lose him if she loses sight of him. but darnit! he is holding on to his promise, inn't he?? why can't she let him - them - have their privacy!? 😡 i despise peeping ... women in these shows! i do! we have never had any tension free premeer moments -
* little thing: gah. what a horrible flashback. to know that prem -- based on a lie?? -- certainly and finally chose to turn away from the junejas.. and heer! *how could he...? doesn't make sense...* that - is beyond my understanding

* stooopid thing: ''you wouldn't want me to be defeated, would you?'' idjut! with no prem-heer-are-one you are less than you could be! how much more of a defeat do you want? why are you sooo afraid to live just 'cause death is a little closer than you earlier thought? death is inevitable prem! it is! what are you trying by running away 'cause it's been preponed?? there is just no logic to it. he has maintained all his responsibilites besides the one to heer. guess his belief of premeer are one is stronger than ours

argggh!!!! i don't get what prem's doing! especially after he's been through the blast! argh!!! *forcing myself to draw deep breaths and postpone the hyperventilation for theweekend's wtf..*

* little thing
: well, one thing's for sure -- this show cannot possibly be a good one if it gets focussed on harman-maya's life... 🤣i cannot understand how two different people start out like this...

*stop making those shocked faces* not that i thought it ever would... but they've actually had a full happy wedding ceremony for these two. *thinking* hey! maybe that's the only happy thing they could ever imagine for them, that's why?

* cool thing: prem's gift to harman rocked. no, seriously. it was a wonderful gesture. am not so sure, has he forgotten just how imperfect the world can be..

i remembered that he was the guy who told harman that if he came to visit, he'd get his favourite juice, but no family connections. and he now gives him a spare key! how generous! giving harman the choice of living where he wants. but leaving the door open if he should want to come to jzoo! what a wily fox prem is, when he wants to be!ok so you were being sarcastic!. when he gave the juice he was gaurav. balem the creatives

*sigh* why can't he be this smart about living with heer? just 'cause someone and he are one and the same, does it really mean that not living together doesn't matter? *sigh* but i want them to live together... i want him to see heer's hairs turn white. slowly, i mean! not all of them suddenly out of the shock when he volunatarily leaves her! *lopsided grin* 😆😆😆 just picturing this is hilarious .ok now i will not cry when they show he is leaving - if they do..

* little thing: but that bhashan bored! at least, it bored me. the only part i thought was cute during that bhashan was how heer was all proud and smiling, her eyes basically saying ''see!-that's-my-prem!'' in front of the whole crowd! she was seriously cute.

*sigh* why does heer love prem sooooo much? because she knows what it is like to loose him and live without him

* little thing: how rude! in the middle of prem's gift, maya just turns and leaves! what a horribly brought up person!

* little thing
: geez! harman must be the blindest person ''in love'' -- well, after nihaal. 😆 he actually thought maya ran up in the middle to ... pack to leave for jzoo?!!

man! harman! she left you to die once, remember. what more does it take you to ... sense that maya's love for you is of a very twisted sort!? *and i'm thinking that there's a good business case to be made for starting a home-for-stoooopid-husbands... nihaal and harman would pay much for admission into such a place! 😆*

* little thing: but hey! harman decides to get a backbone! i, for one, thought he deserved some kind of a pat-on-the-back for reminding maya that he'd never promised her a life in her father's house. and that the choice was really hers about what she wanted to do. that was cool. *thumbs up*

* little thing: 'kay! maya-dad came in too fast for me to not know that he listened to the convo.

and guys, seriously, no one else thinks there's something dark and twisted in the maya-maya-dad love? i mean, seriously??! 🤢

* little thing: hey, maya? we got the khoon-ka-ansoon line the first time. we got you're the next dirtchachi-wanna-be. we are very sensitive to evil in this show, given how we have the ... whitest counterparty of good and love ever created -- ie, prem-heer.

we get you're evil, 'kay? don't need to repeat it.. *and good luck trying to match dirtchachi-actress in convincing us... * ok i tuned out when they showed the whole maya thing

* little thing: gayatri-mom trying to make maya and maya-dad feel not bad 'bout her leaving home. that was a very genuine thing to say.

what a nice lady she can be. y'know? i used to think there was something a little twisted in how she used to be so very prem-centric earlier. i hope that in her post-vegetative life, she's gonna be a more loving mom to everyone -- particularly (god) preet. he's been getting his fair share of paternal love. and now, he seriously deserves some maternal love. we need to see preet loved by meher, mom ...and us?

*sigh* i'm w&w... but as i said earlier, i hope that prem comes to his senses fast. unlike the fictional world of this show, my life is gonna take far-far away from the show and this forum real soon now. and i'd like to leave knowing that prem doesn't leave the care&maintenance of prem-heer-are-one all to heer, while he goes off, spinning on someone's thoughtless lie...

what am i talkin' 'bout? look out for this weekend's wtf. where we may have some wt's. we will certainly have a pooja. and an announcement. for those who care... w&w. 🤔😆

highlight of the show: hmmm. not much to choose from, no? for me? the phhandooooh when prem says ''itna gussa!'' in that loving voice and holds heer close to him. holding her, comforting her, and yet not having the gumption to take her tears face on. *thinking* actually, his voice when he says ''itna gussa!'' was quite a highlight. i've been thirsting to hear that prem-voice talking to heer for ... oh! ever so long! 😍 without heer's heartbreaking picture, the voice can be the highlight.

poor heer. poor prem. if only they stopped feeling for a moment, and thought in that moment. maybe that way, it will still be prem-heer-are-one-and-staying-together before.... *sigh* ... well, i hope it will be so before the end of next week. *keeping my fingers crossed -- d'you know how difficult it is to do that and type stuff out?!?! 🤣* you are funny? toes should work 😆

Edited by maya123 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Hey Estee,

Where are you going? I thought you hated the word Alvida and now you are all set to say it!! Why? Hope you won't be away for long and also hope that the show will be on till you return.

New team thing: don't know if you noticed but there has been quite a lot of the change in the team since yest's episode. There is a new associate creative with Ipsita. I think the other two ladies who were part of the show from the beginning have been moved (don't remember seeing their name yest). Also now only Gaurav Sharma and Simran Kaur are the screenplay writers the other lady Bandan's no longer in the credits, similarly the directors have also changed. Don't know what all this means. But looks like the show is going into a new direction. As long as Prem-Heer are together in fighting the evil forces I don't care what they do with it.
Heer thing: One thing I noticed yest was how along with Prem Heer too has kind of come to terms with the fact that he's leaving. It's a diferent thing that unlike Prem, who has knowingly stayed away from Heer, this is the first time she'll have to prepare herself to get used to life without him knowing very well that he's living somewhere. This kinda of takes her life to the same point where she was at the beginning of the show the only difference is that in the beginning she knew she was going to be Prem's but now she knows she's his but can't live with him or without him. She's going to be heartbroken is an understatement but how is she going to convince the family that it's not Prem. IS she even thinking how the family will react to all this?
Prem thing: He's all set to leave, isn't it? I don't know if its his defence mechanism or what but I think his Gaurav act helps him lessen the pain of leaving heer and the family. But he was all Prem when he tries to comfort Heer. What I loved in that scene was how he wasn't too preachy and let her cry her heart out. But I don't like the fact that he's leaving Heer to do the dirty work of telling the family. What he did by giving the key's was a masterstroke. He didn't push it but knew what to say and what it would lead to .
The rest of the story is following the track of evil maya coming into the family and with Veera will make life miserable for Prem-Heer. One thing I am pretty sure is Prem ain't going anywhere. The story is about Prem-Heer it will always be about them. As usual W&W.
Message for you: kabhi alvida na kehna.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Hi estee ,of the entire epi my eyes r completely focussed on heer and her Prem(I will continue this reference until he makes promise to heer tht I will never ever leave u alone.The day he does I wud use the reference as Prem and his Heer).Heer was brilliant just superb.The thing tht stood out as a highlight for me is the hug.As soon as Prem hugs her from behind she instantly leans back into him and cries out her heart.Her pouting in bw her tears as if saying phulleeeese Prem mat jao.I luv heer.And ofcourse Prem's dreamy voice.I dont know swimming I think I should very soon learn it or else I will drown in his luv filled voice.In terms of Prem Heer the epi is superb one.
EDIT-oh estee where r u going will u cum back or is it going to be a long break.Tumhare bina yeh phorum adhura hai for me
Edited by luckyluv - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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thanks E....

i loved yday's Premeer scene...i was teling Nans that Prem was HHPrem there..and i was sure ur gonna mention it here...😆 That hug from behind was just...😍 wat made it even more 😍 was coz of Heer...

I duno wats wrong with Prem?!...why does he keep saying those stuffs.. it'll be so embarassing when he finds out nothings wrong with him...😆

and wer r u going?...why are you going?...😳 you cant!...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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and yeah another thing estee.... you are not going any where because I am not letting you.... I can be very dheeth like prem and heer
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Posted: 16 years ago
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You - you - you're leaving? Again? What are we going to do without you for so long? E, you can't! *wails and wrings hands in despair*
Maya and her dad do have a very twisted relationship. I mean, which normal father would be upset to have his daughter happily settled in her sasural? And she would be happily settled (if she weren't an evil, materialistic little WITCH! *deep breath* I'm okay.).
But the PremHeer scene, OMG what a scene. The stoopid spy (i.e. Gaurav's Mom) spoilt it though. I stopped paying attention once she came on screen, instead imagining other things, happier things. (Meet for one, did you notice Meher's smile? Even though the man she had been in love with had just gotten married to the woman he left her for. Preet ka kamal!)
Love,
Radz
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Where are you going? huh? 😲

As far as the show is concerned i am really starting to feel bad and i have been thinking since yesterday that may be i don't understand prem-heer as well as rest of you guys know them? thats not a good feeling at all 😒 Why i think so? Its because i do not have any problem with the way Prem is behaving or the way heer is behaving, for the first time everything that is happening is making complete sense to me! But everyone else seems to have a problem with prem's behavior.........i wonder why..because i can perfectly understand why he is doing what he is doing may be i am the less intelligent one around I am not saying what he is doing is right all i am saying is i do understand why he is doing what he is doing and that does not destroy premeer are one for me, infact it makes it more strong!

I fail to understand how his actions are not ThePrem's actions? I mean he has been through hell, yes he resigned to his fate but to expect him not to have resigned in the circumstances e has been in wouldn't be too much to ask?

Yesterday too he deliberately became gaurav when talking to heer, to hide his pain but his eyes longed for heer, heer's pain was visible in prem's eyes! He did not say anything to console heer except small words like "itna ghussa nahi kurtey"..."rootey nahin" because he knows nothing he would say would make up for her pain, for what she is to go through!

As for him leaving her behind to face the brunt...Prem still beleives his family will not say anything to heer...he still trusts them......oh yes he is mistaken big time i agree, only he does not realise that! He can't take her with him because once he is dead what would she do? She would be left all alone with no family at all! He does not want that!

Prem has kept all his pain inside of him all these months, with only people around him (that doctor and gurav's mom) giving him nothing but more negativity what else we can expect from someone who has been living everyday thinking he will die soon and people around him telling him that YES you will die soon? Even now he is holding on to his pain not leeting it show...he needs to break down as long as he doesn't he won't be able to think straight!

I am loving the show these days because things are actually making sense, i am not going insane anymore and premeer for me remain so one!

Prem is dealing with trauma, guilt, grief and death all at the same time to expect him to make right decisions does not make sense to me! All he wants is to make things better for his family as for heer, he knows there is nothing absolutely nothing he can do to make her feel better! That i am sure is killing him too!

But yea i do feel naive and quite bad coming to the forum these days 🤣 because may be i don't know Prem and heer as well as you guys do, otherwise may be things won't make sense to me either

And you are not going any where ok? Because the first thing i think about after watching the show is lets w&w what estee has to say about it 🤣🤣🤣
Edited by Soaps1 - 16 years ago

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