Why is Milind looking so shocked in court - Page 4

Originally posted by: $weet Ema

Sangeetha di,, havent watched the episode but I read that Miland did try and stop his lawyer and asked the wacked lawyer what the hell is he is playing at? So go easy on the dude (Mills).

Now coming to Ayesha, am gonna set my neighbours dog on her as well as on Sukriti😆

😆😆 😆 😆 😆 Ema!do it fast..I too want it to be done😡😡

Originally posted by: optimist

The point I was making is about his relationship with Ayesha and what he thinks is the relationship between Neev and Prachi. After all the seeds of doubt were sown long back and were only temporarily put to rest by Prachi's passionate confession at the waterfall. So when I said he failed to see the other person's point of view, I meant with respect to Prachi and no one else. I guess I should have been more explicit. As you yourself admitted, he lets his emotions rule over when it comes to Prachi. But the guy was repeatedly proven wrong in the past and still kept falling in to the trap of doubts. How do you think Prachi felt every time he kept doubting her integrity. She ended up feeling guilty even if he caught them having an innocent conversation at the hall way.This only made matters worse.

That expression of guilt is exactly what went against her When Milind shows up...Neev & Prachi stop talking and disperse with uncertain expression... it is a normal reaction of a human to feel 'what were they talking that they stopped when I came?' Oh God, ab kya? expression of Prachi and Neev is exactly what worsened the situtation... if Prachi gave it back to Milind the way she did on SS's marriage... wo duffer chup hojata... 'let him to go take a hike and think whatever he wants... she is not wrong and she knows that' attitude is what works, because Milind himself is like that.

The lie she told that day became believable to him because his doubts never left him. When I mentioned the word trust failing, I meant this. When you trust a person completely you cannot accept that the person you trust is down right moral less,even if she had told you that she was the baby's mom. He never looked beyond Prachi's confession to see what was she trying to hide because his mind was already clouded by unresolved doubts. When he caught her in the first lie (when she told him that she went shopping with Ritwik) he should have hauled her up rather than let his doubts persist. After all by then their relationship had progressed to an extent where he can demand an explanation. But he did'nt.

That bottles down to interpretation, I see it differently... esp given his body language. He believed the lie as the truth, not only because he had those doubts...but most importantly & def because he didnt trust anything or anyone else at that point. He didnt believe those proofs, he didnt believe himself (because he had doubts of his own) If there was anyone who he trusted at that moment... it was Prachi. And the moment was a moment of truth, everyone waited for Prachi's answer... and that point in time a person would choice and stand by their priority... and Prachi had to stand up for what was important to her... and she said what she said and he believed it! I hope we agree on the fact that if Prachi had spoken the truth that day, he would have taken that as the truth. We cant turn to Milind and say Duffer how can u? Her words might have sounded silly, unreasonable and illogical to us(well it was😡) But for Milind it was huge... it was so big that he put his entire life, his happiness, his dreams at stake for those words... no matter how silly they sounded to us... it didnt to Milind. Being such a passionate and intense guy... it would have taken a lot of strength from his part to put all this at stake.. and he would do that only when he trusted Prachi over everything and himself (which is exactly what he meant when he said if he cant trust her, he cant trust anyone, not even himself. And those lines were there on purpose...having watched Anil & Dheeraj's work for all these years and the finality with which Shabbo delivered those lines... it sealed it for me. This was going to be Milind's stand and he going to prove it & that is exactly what happened.) And once those words hit him... he simply resigned to it... he put everything at stake with trust in Prachi, and he lost everything!
As you say he should have confronted Prachi when he caught her lying... and as u said he has fallen into the trap of his doubt... if he didnt question her that day... it was because he didnt want to fall into that trap.... he fought himself to keep quite and wait for Prachi to come clean with him... he was silent... until the moment of recokning came... that is when he pleaded prachi to come out with the truth. So his silence that day was the proof that he didnt want to make mistakes he done in the past... and his silent suffering throught those days is because he had learnt his lessons not to jump to conclusions at the 1st instance.

Frankly I feel that Ayesha's words had a large role to play in increasing his doubts. So indirectly he seemed to give more weight to her words than giving Prachi the benefit of doubt. Unfortunately for Prachi while he can see everyone else's point of view when it comes to her, her point of view will never count as far as her relationship with Neev goes. If the baby raaz is resolved, will he believe her completely then or will he still expect the resolution of all other raazs to get that confidence in her? Even if they are resolved would he be assured that Prachi loves him only? What if tomorrow he catches them in a compromising position (like the one he witnessed in Suki's wedding) will he look beyond it? Well only time can tell.

His possessiveness is always going to have say... u cant do away with that. And I am not giving Neev or Ayesha any credit for their influence on Milind & Prachi. For me giving them credit means that I dont place enough trust in Michi with regard to eachother. For me if I think they are special... they are far far away from the reach of anyone else.... It is only eachother that influence them... not anyone else. I feel Milind's inherent insecurity, jealousy, love for Prachi are at such dizzy heights and his emotions with regard to her is shatteringly intense... that Ayesha or Neev dont make a difference... it is Prachi and ONLY the element of Prachi that works on him... and his emotions can anyday overpower Ayesha's scheming thoughts and input... because there are already raging in him. Ayesha makes it look like she is putting those thoughts into him... no... that is not what is happening, Ayesha is merely voicing the emotions in him. So I will hold Milind responsible for what he does and what he doesnt... Neev & Ayesha dont influence me... but yes, Prachi is a different story because she dictates his emotions... and she needs to be responsible about it. Call me an arrogant or confident (or a seriously in denial😆) Michi fan... I am not placing Neev or Ayesha in the same pedastal as Michi for them to dictate Michi's emotions for eachother...Na😳. If any one & everyone can dictate Michi, then Michi is not special😕... and they are far to special to me and I am sure to everyone out here😳😃


That is why I want the near ONS issue to come up in the near future and see how he reacts.
React karne keliye kuch hai hi nahi. All you will hear Milind saying is 'Yeh Sach hai, Prachi.' He will tell her what and how it happened. He will say 'Tumhara jo bhi faisla ho mujhe manzoor hai' And he will wait for Prachi's decision.😕 There isnt going to be any reaction or action from Milind in this regard

Originally posted by: Ryka

That expression of guilt is exactly what went against her When Milind shows up...Neev & Prachi stop talking and disperse with uncertain expression... it is a normal reaction of a human to feel 'what were they talking that they stopped when I came?' Oh God, ab kya? expression of Prachi and Neev is exactly what worsened the situtation... if Prachi gave it back to Milind the way she did on SS's marriage... wo duffer chup hojata... 'let him to go take a hike and think whatever he wants... she is not wrong and she knows that' attitude is what works, because Milind himself is like that.

But who prompted that expression, Ryka? If some one looks at you with suspicion, with piercing accusatory eyes, every time you even so much as glance in the direction of your ex what can you expect? It is the action- reaction thing you had mentioned in another context. Since we are discussing the characters, lets also not forget Prachi's character. She is the timid girl who is bent on pleasing everybody. When she sees her husband looking at her in that manner, how do you think she will react? Automatically she will try to do something that will stop him from looking at her in that way and that is to stop a conversation mid way or look the other way. It is not out of guilt at what she did but rather stop him from assuming the worst, which he nevertheless does because of her expression.

Yes, it would be better if she were to think,'What the hell, let him think what he wants. I know I did not do any wrong'. This is an attitude she is not used to as I said because of her timidity and her urge to please everybody. If she said that at the waterfall scene she did it out of frustration. She had reached her breaking point with all the constant doubts he had on her. That is not her normal character.

Another thing is that devil may care attitude comes also if you do not care what the other person feels about what you do. If Milind did not care what people thought about his relationship with Ayesha, that is exactly what he felt. But the minute he starts caring, his reaction changes. One example I can think of is when Ayesha faked hurting herself and he carried her to her room. Ayesha gets very close to him and talks a lot of nonsense as usual and our hero does not push her away. Just then Neev walks in on them. There is definitely a change of expression on Milsi's face. He looked guilty although he was not doing anything wrong. That guilt got compounded when later Prachi walks in. Only Prachi did not look at him with doubt but walked up to Ayesha and started applying the medicine. Now why did he have to look guilty when he did no wrong? Prachi could have also then presumed the worst.

That bottles down to interpretation, I see it differently... esp given his body language. He believed the lie as the truth, not only because he had those doubts...but most importantly & def because he didnt trust anything or anyone else at that point. He didnt believe those proofs, he didnt believe himself (because he had doubts of his own) If there was anyone who he trusted at that moment... it was Prachi. And the moment was a moment of truth, everyone waited for Prachi's answer... and that point in time a person would choice and stand by their priority... and Prachi had to stand up for what was important to her... and she said what she said and he believed it! I hope we agree on the fact that if Prachi had spoken the truth that day, he would have taken that as the truth.

We cant turn to Milind and say Duffer how can u? Her words might have sounded silly, unreasonable and illogical to us(well it was😡) But for Milind it was huge... it was so big that he put his entire life, his happiness, his dreams at stake for those words... no matter how silly they sounded to us... it didnt to Milind. Being such a passionate and intense guy... it would have taken a lot of strength from his part to put all this at stake.. and he would do that only when he trusted Prachi over everything and himself (which is exactly what he meant when he said if he cant trust her, he cant trust anyone, not even himself. And those lines were there on purpose...having watched Anil & Dheeraj's work for all these years and the finality with which Shabbo delivered those lines... it sealed it for me. This was going to be Milind's stand and he going to prove it & that is exactly what happened.) And once those words hit him... he simply resigned to it... he put everything at stake with trust in Prachi, and he lost everything!

Ryka, what do you mean belief in a person? Is it only based on the words they speak? If a person really believes in another, he/she will not go by only words that person utters. That person is a whole package, words and deeds. If the deeds of that person are at variance with the words that person utters, what that says is that person is telling a lie to hide something. Now what can that be? That should how his mind should have worked. Instead he is willing to disregard all her prior deeds (which have all proved him wrong) for that one pathetic lie which did not seem very convincing to me. One can see very plainly from her eyes that those did not match her words. No, I believe that he willingly accepted that lie because his doubts were already there in his subconciousness which, thanks to Ayesha, were woken up.

His doubting journey started atleast a couple of days before that, seeing her with Neev at the hospital. If he had reposed as much faith his wife as he kept saying, then should he not have simply asked her what was she doing with Neev and Ritwik at the clinic? Instead he asks her where was she and when she lied, he did not even corner her immediately. So you see his doubt were revived at the first available opportunity. Later on when Neev springs up to keep the baby from falling, again he looked at the action with suspicion. These were only growing when Ayesha brought in all her 'evidences'. Prachi's words just sealed them. If there were no doubts in his mind about Prachi then her words will have no effect on his trust. He will immediately have realised that what she is saying is a lie.

If she had told the truth that day SS marriage would have been finished off in a jiffy with Niharika and Pranay there. I think the right time is on Ritwik's birthday. Yes, she could have told him the truth in private later at the chawl. I think she had for a moment thought of doing so (especially after what she recollected him saying that he was never lucky in love etc). When he was making those accusations she was asking what was he saying?' It is not what you think'(her standard dialogue). But he shut her up. I cannot excuse her silence then or anytime later. But here we are discussing his role in the whole thing and to me he cannot be totally absolved because of his doubts.

As you say he should have confronted Prachi when he caught her lying... and as u said he has fallen into the trap of his doubt... if he didnt question her that day... it was because he didnt want to fall into that trap.... he fought himself to keep quite and wait for Prachi to come clean with him... he was silent... until the moment of recokning came... that is when he pleaded prachi to come out with the truth. So his silence that day was the proof that he didnt want to make mistakes he done in the past... and his silent suffering throught those days is because he had learnt his lessons not to jump to conclusions at the 1st instance.

What trap? It is not like he was doubting her. He knew she was lying but that does not mean her character is bad. There is a way of asking the truth without sounding accusing or suspicious. One will be able to do that, ie., ask a person freely if one did not harbour any doubts about that person but was still curious to know why that person lied. By not questioning her he had allowed to fall into that trap of doubt instead of coming out of it.

And his mistakes of the past were not that he questioned her but that he did'nt. Instead he assumed the worst everytime he was in doubt. He jumped into his own conclusions without clarifying anything from her.

His possessiveness is always going to have say... u cant do away with that. And I am not giving Neev or Ayesha any credit for their influence on Milind & Prachi. For me giving them credit means that I dont place enough trust in Michi with regard to eachother. For me if I think they are special... they are far far away from the reach of anyone else.... It is only eachother that influence them... not anyone else. I feel Milind's inherent insecurity, jealousy, love for Prachi are at such dizzy heights and his emotions with regard to her is shatteringly intense... that Ayesha or Neev dont make a difference... it is Prachi and ONLY the element of Prachi that works on him... and his emotions can anyday overpower Ayesha's scheming thoughts and input... because there are already raging in him. Ayesha makes it look like she is putting those thoughts into him... no... that is not what is happening, Ayesha is merely voicing the emotions in him. So I will hold Milind responsible for what he does and what he doesnt... Neev & Ayesha dont influence me... but yes, Prachi is a different story because she dictates his emotions... and she needs to be responsible about it. Call me an arrogant or confident (or a seriously in denial😆) Michi fan... I am not placing Neev or Ayesha in the same pedastal as Michi for them to dictate Michi's emotions for eachother...Na😳. If any one & everyone can dictate Michi, then Michi is not special😕... and they are far to special to me and I am sure to everyone out here😳😃

Yes, Ryka, Michi are far too special for the likes of Ayesha and Neev. But there is no denying the fact that Ayesha manages to wake up all the dormant doubts in him about Prachi. She manages to instigate him, not because she has a great power over him but because the subject of her instigation has a great power over him. Left to himself he would have left all his dormant doubts stay dormant. He is a guy who hates to dwell in the past so all the past doubts would just have been buried. But thanks to Ayesha she brought them all back to him.

As to his possessiveness all that is fine and attractive. Believe me every wife feels a sense of pride when her husband acts possessive around her. But there is a very thin line between being possessive and being suspicious. A possessive man may doubt the attentions of the 'other' man but never question the love of his woman.

In this case let us for arguments sake assume that he believed Prachi being the mother of Ritwik because she said so. If he did not doubt her character then I would have expected him to just accept Ritwik. Afterall he knew Prachi loved Neev before they were married and the two were to be married. So Ritwik could have been the product of their union. But that does not mean she is still carrying on with him. She did not admit anything to that effect. All she said was Ritwik was her son. Could it not be possible that after marriage she has not continued that affair and had only loved Milind? Just because she had a baby before marriage does not mean she is continuing that affair with the father after marriage. What happened to his complete trust in her? No, those doubts just remained. He was only fooling himself that he had gotten over them. That is why that one lie on her part made it easier for him to draw his own conclusions based on them.

I think that once all the air is cleared, Milsi should start placing more trust in Prachi. He cannot go about doubting her at every available opportunity. It is very unhealthy for any marriage. And he needs to become more emotionally stronger when it comes to Prachi. Prachi cannot be continuously bearing the brunt of his volatile emotions. He better accept the purity and unconditionality of Prachi's love. He may have never experienced it before in his life. So he may be apprehensive about it. But this girl has gone through enough tests to show him how much he really means to her. Constantly putting her through that test is not fair to either of them. He should consider himself lucky that he is getting this unconditional love. As to Prachi, she better learn to trust his abilities to handle problems and confide in him more often. Both of them need to work on their marriage, not just one.

React karne keliye kuch hai hi nahi. All you will hear Milind saying is 'Yeh Sach hai, Prachi.' He will tell her what and how it happened. He will say 'Tumhara jo bhi faisla ho mujhe manzoor hai' And he will wait for Prachi's decision.😕 There isnt going to be any reaction or action from Milind in this regard

What I meant was till now he is not aware that what he did (or assumed to have done) with Ayesha is no less than what he thinks NP are doing, drunken stupor or no. He has expressed his guilt for it only in terms of the effect on Ayesha's feelings. He has still not expressed explicitly his remorse to Prachi for doing it. So I want him to swirm in front of her for calling the kettle black. As to Prachi deciding on his punishment, she should give him the cold shoulder for a long time and make him beg to have him back, which I am sure he will do.

Originally posted by: optimist

BC and Ryka. What the two of you are essentially saying is that Milsi's take on his relationship with Ayesha and that of Prachi's with Neev is that according to him one is pure friendship (his) and the other an illicit affair (Prachi's). True that is what he thinks. But what made him think that way? Conversations between Neev and Prachi in the hall way? NP smiling together? Neev's confession at the cliff that he loves Prachi? Finding Prachi with a money bag and also spoting Neev at the same hotel? Catching NP in each others arms in what looked like a dance pose. ( If they were in a drak room doing what he thought they do, would it be anything like what he saw?). So much of what he thinks is all based on circumstantial 'evidence' if you may call it that.

Coming to his own interactions with Ayesha, they have been far more physical (at least on the part of Ayesha). Has he ever pushed her away when she does that, especially since he knows she still holds a torch for him? Here I am not talking of the fake ONS/near ONS. I am talking about every day dealings. Ayesha marches into his room anytime she wants and he does not object. Freindship with a married woman has its boundaries.

He keeps accusing Prachi saying that she is carrying on with Neev because he is her first love. By that stretch of argument he should also be carrying on with Ayesha, is'nt it? Was she not his first love? As Prachi said, if she can understand and accept his love, why can he not accept her? When she has accepted that he has got over his past why can he not accept that she too has?

Answers to that are: 1. His insecurities - He never had any one who truely loved him as he is. Getting Prachi's love he thinks it is too unreal to last. The first opportunity he gets to question it, he does.

2.He is too self willed to see the world in any other way than he does himself. Has he for once put himself in her place, he would have seen it differently. He is always seeing everything from his point of view. Not only that he demands that others also see his point of view.

3.The difference in their social strata must also have a role to play in his subconciousness.

Having said this, I would grant that Prachi's unconditional love for him was beginning to change him. We did not get to see that faith take root because of the baby raaz. The first test to that faith he failed miserably.

The day he learns to see other's point of view besides his own is the day he can truly rid himself of all his insecurities. I do hope that the ONSes (fake/near ) whatever are wracked up. Would love to see him have a taste of his own medicine.