Michi's stand on ONS

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Pippaji and I were discussing Milsi's and Prachi's stand on ONS based on what has been shown so far in the show. Our views are expressed below (by the way I have still not received Pippa's consent to post her views. Hope she does not mind. If she does, I'm sorry Pippaji).

Kindly feel free to add your own take on it.

1.Milsi's stand

Pippa

Milind's attitude towards the fake ONS the first time around. Then, and even now, he seems to feel guilty about it because he'd compromised Ayesha and hurt her. This time too, he gave her the justification for not going through with it. Admittedly, that's very credible and honourable of him. But the issue I have with it is.....not once did he say, the last time or now, that he believed in his marriage vows and honoured them even if Prachi didn't. That it went against his principles to be adultrous, that he felt guilty not only on account of Ayesha, who's also married but also that he broke his vows, whatever the provocation.

For a person who's inherently decent, this aspect hasn't occurred to him nor the fact that Ayesha doesn't really need or deserve his concern as she's a married woman herself and has no qualms about breaking her vows. I also found it odd that there was no introspection on his part over his supposed indiscretion especially after he thinks that Prachi has betrayed him...shouldn't he be thinking, " Isn't this the case of the pot calling the kettle black? Haven't I done the same thing Prachi has? So, who am I to point a finger at her?" I just feel that he doesn't seem to feel enough or any guilt for his actions in relation to his marriage...I mean, he doesn't connect the guilt over the Ons with his own marriage...only reagarding Ayesha.

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ONS has two effects. One on the person one has had it with and the other on oneself. In this case since both the parties are also married, it also has two additional effects, ie., on their respective marriages. Now let us see how the ONS (fake one and the non-starter) between Milsi and Ayesha has been addressed by Milsi. When he expressed guilt, it was for playing with her feelings because he very well knew that what she wanted (love) is not something he was in a position give, either then or now. The reason for that was his heart was not with him to give. It was already captured by Prachi although he did not tell Ayesha explicitly that it was the reason. The act also belittled his friendship with her. Milsi is one person who respects all relationships. Although Ayesha and he shared a relationship that extended beyond friendship, that relationship underwent a change the minute he accepted Prachi into his heart. If he had committed that act he had sullied that friendship.

Yes, coming to Pippa's point about the effect on their marriages. Why did he not tell her that they had spoilt the sanctity of their marriages? Because he knew that to her marriage means nothing, neither hers nor his. So there is no point placing that argument before her. In fact if he tells that he does not want to be with her because he is married to Prachi, that would only infuriate her more and make her more determined to entice him since she hates Prachi and would do anything to take away what is hers. He knew her unstable state and the only way he can make her see reason is by empathizing with her and make her feel that it is not good for her.

How do we know that he feels guilty for being adulterous to Prachi? The only time this matter was brought up was at the waterfall scene when Prachi tells Milsi that a wife can forgive her husband going astray once. The minute she uttered that Milsi's expression showed his guilt. So does that mean he felt guilty only at that time and not before that? We really do not know. This is why when the truth comes out, I want Prachi to confront him about the ONS which she may believe took place in Panchmeshwar. And I want Milsi to make his stand on adultery clear once and for all. He should tell her that he made that mistake once before but stopped himself from making it again because he values his commitment to their marriage even though he believed that she did not care for him at the time. Only then will Milsi be fully exonerated.

2. Prachi's stand

Pippa

According to the episode aired the day before, Prachi's under the impression that Milind and Ayesha have shared a room and quite possibly even a bed. But when she came face to face with him yesterday, there was only relief and happiness on her face. I could be fatuous and say that her emotions then were due to extreme hunger and thirst! but, then again, knowing the BT writers, it could that she was being the pativrata patni.The point I'm trying to make here is this...shouldn't she have been a little distant and stiff towards him after having heard him reply to Ayesha's call like loyal pet over the phone? Shouldn't she be thinking, " How could he be/sleep with her, esply on a KC night etc?" I'm not sure whether the writers even plan to go there.

Opti

Again a very valid point. But what I hope was playing on Prachi's mind is how to complete the fast because Milsi's life is on the line (after all the vrath is for his long life). So although she would have been indignant when she heard about the supposed escapade, her priority would have been to complete the fast. Hence, her relief and happiness in seeing him. Moreover, both in the case of Prachi and Milsi, the first reaction to each other is love and concern, no matter what they think the other person has done to them. Yesterday too although Milsi swore that he will not give in to Prachi, the minute he saw he faint, the first reaction was concern. He quickly masked it with indifference, but the initial concern was there for all to see. So too with Prachi (I think), her love just overcame her jealousy.

Moreover, she is right now on a weak wicket. She has not revealed the truth and cleared herself. So she cannot question him just yet. But I do hope she does, once everything is cleared as I had mentioned earlier.

Pooja, hope this post addresses your concerns. And sorry about this looooong post.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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👏 👏 👏 I think Prachi doesn't think that Milind slept with ayesha..the poor girl was full of love when she saw him.....but that guy lowered his eyes😕

Milind never did say or utter to himself..HOw can I do this?I can't do this to prachi,.the girl loves me like crazy(though at the moment he thinks otherwise)

I don't think Prachi never crossed his mind when he gently said NO to Ayesha..it was his guilt and not becoz he was being unfaithful to prachi.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Opti and Pippa...wonderful post dear...adn wonderful point made by both of you....

Pippa .....you indeed madea very valid point dear...especially about the Pot calling teh Kettle black......

Butr I think...here the thing is...he belves that Prachi married him...even after being the mother of Ritwick....thus her act...is worse then his.....she did it with a concious mind ...where as he was unconcious when the FONS happened...and does not remeber a thing...and only had Ayeshas words to rely on...what had passed in between them....and was mighty guilty then...but was absolved by it by Ayesha..though he did not feel guilt free...at all.....his introspection alone....in the room...

And we saw his guilt yesterday too...and here I agree with Opti..that this was the best way to explain to Ayesha....then declare his love...for Prachi...as he knows Ayesha is obsessed with Prachi and hates her.....(example...in the hospital after the sucide attempt ...when he declares his love for Prachi to Ayesha.....we all know what her reaction and words were)

As for Prachi....beleiving that ehr hubby slept with Ayesha...I think ...she does not beleive it ...but was scared for a sec or so....but in her heart knows nothing must have happened and its all Ayesha's trick...to get her winded up...to trouble her.....

As she trrust Milli a lot....and knows he still loves her.....(from the dialogues to Ayesha...after the party where he tries to make her drink forcefully and Ayesha comes to the room and the dialogue about haq and love....)

God...sorry to have rambled so very much...hope I made sense....😃

Edited by kubare - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: vasantha_rao07

I don't think Prachi never crossed his mind when he gently said NO to Ayesha..it was his guilt and not becoz he was being unfaithful to prachi.

Prachi dear did cross his mind dear...he loves her alot but feels betrayed by her...after her confession of being teh mother of Ritwick....and he did not want to take her name in front of Ayesha and agrevate her(Ayesha) as he knows how Ayesha feels about Prachi....

And yes the guilt too was there...for the FONS....as it should be...and being unfaithful to Prachi was not the issue...as such...as was him ....doing something wrong and isulting his friendship again......

As the last time he was unconscious and does not remeber a thing and had to rely on Ayesha words for what passed between them that night.....Though he could not beleive he did something like that.....and was feeling guilty like hell....

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Krishna, the point (about the keetle and the pot as well as all the other arguments) was made by Pippa not Pooja. I drew Pooja's attention to the post because in one of my earlier post on 'Milsi made me pround', she wondered about the effect of his words on Prachi. I had promised to give an explanation for it in a seperate post.

Sorry for confusing you.

Edited by optimist - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: kubare

Krishna, that is precisely the point that Pippa, Pooja and Vasu are trying to make his guilt stems more from insulting his friendship rather than insulting the institution of marriage. I tend to agree with them on this. Yes, one cant find fault with what he said to Ayesha. In fact that is exactly what he should have said. If he had brought up the fact that they were married, she would have only blown off her handle. She would hav told him she does not car for her marriage and neither should he considering what Prachi has doen to him. So the best approach is to tell her that he did not want to happen for her own good.

But they never showed him introspecting in private about what he had done (in the case of the fake ONS) and how that is against the institution of marriage. Granted he did not know that Prachi loved him then and they had not concretised their marriage yet. But still they show him as a man who values all relationships. At the time of the ONS he was a married man who believed his wife was still in love with her boy-friend and may be they were together. If he was upset about it, then should he also not be upset with himself for doing the exact same thing? Two wrongs would'nt make one right. His remorse which was shown the next day was only for the fact that he had slept with Ayesha and given her false hope. He did not think that what he did was also not right considering that he was still married. The guilt he showed for that ONS was only when Prachi brought up that issue at the water fall. Once this thing blows over and the truth comes out, I want Milsi to explicitly apologise for that ONS to Prachi (even if she does not bring up the subject) and tell her how ashamed he is of it.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: optimist

Krishna, the point (about the keetle and the pot as well as all the other arguments) was made by Pippa not Pooja. I drew Pooja's attention to the post because in one of my earlier post on 'Milsi made me pround', she wondered about the effect of his words on Prachi. I had promised to give an explanation for it in a seperate post.

Sorry for confusing you.

Its alright dear...just edited to replace Pooja with Pippa...😃

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: optimist

True...they never showed him being guilty because he broke his vows...but more for misleading Ayesha and using her.....

And yes when the FONS...does come out in the open...he better beg Prachis forgiveness on bended knees....

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Hope these guys stop with the FONS and not go as far as birnging in the 'product' of that 'act' into the picture. We have had enough retrarded tracks in this show to last a life time without one more non-brainer.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Here I go...

Milind's stand:

Fake ONS (August):

Though it's clear that Milind was sketched as a decent, traditional and righteous man who values relationships, tradition and honor etc, I don't think he treasured his own marriage in the beginning. Basically if he did then he wouldn't have married Prachi. For him it was a drama, a somewhat desperate act to get back at Ayesha, and maybe even to win her back, in a way. But it really didn't mean he thought it's right to sleep around with married women and women he didn't love. The act is wrong for him even if he's not married, I believe.

For me it's not necessary that he expressed remorse for the fact that he's a married man. I think that's a given though not his priority. Far from being his priority. More than 'I shouldn't have done it because I'm married', for him it's 'I shouldn't have done it because it's wrong'. And there were indeed so many reasons that the action was wrong.

His immediate (only?) concern was Ayesha's well being. I think that's admirable of him, because it showed that at that time he was not at all selfish, self centered and more importantly self-righteous. He thought Ayesha was the one and only victim of his carelessness, and that's his main concern.

I'm pretty sure he believed that sleeping with Prachi was wrong as well, as long as they didn't love each other, even when they were legally married. He respects relationships highly, but he cares more about the people at the other end of the relationships. That's also why he didn't put any weight for Prachi in the morning of the fake ONS, because he thought Prachi wouldn't care and the relationship was fake. So later on when everything's fine and this matter is brought to Prachi, he might feel guilty that he betrayed a marriage but he'd definitely care more about hurting Prachi's feeling, thus we will hear only the second aspect from him in this instance as well.

[quote]I also found it odd that there was no introspection on his part over his supposed indiscretion especially after he thinks that Prachi has betrayed him...shouldn't he be thinking, " Isn't this the case of the pot calling the kettle black? Haven't I done the same thing Prachi has? So, who am I to point a finger at her?"[/quote]
Milind always gave Prachi this rambling about how shamless Prachi was, how unaware of her position she was, how she didn't honor relationship yada yada blah blah blah. For me personally he was just talking krap. Those were not his real concern at all. He's dead jealous and he's confused because of it. He attacked Prachi that way because that's the only way available for him, as her legal husband. He couldn't say 'could you stop your affair, it's truly hurting me'. That's why the supposed ONS didn't change anything for Michi story-wise. The ONS was made like a passing wind and it indeed was, regarding his relationship with Prachi. His real problem was that Prachi didn't love him, didn't choose him, and not because Prachi had been immoral by having the affair with Neev. That's why 'Pot calling the kettle black' is not really relevant for his situation. I mean he indeed a pot calling kettle black each time he accused Prachi of infidelity, but since that's not his real concern, it's somewhat futile for him to realize it.

Fake ONS Threat (November):

Again I see it that he cared more about his own take of what's right and wrong and much more importantly his own feelings, than about social morality and his 'fake' marriage with Prachi. He didn't do it and couldn't do it because he simply didn't want to do it with Ayesha. I'd prefer that any day, and would hate it if he wanted to do it but decided not to because he's a married man. This guy may put feelings above morality and his wedding vows, but as long his feelings are pure and don't go against morality I'm very much fine with it.

As for his words to Ayesha, yup I think he did mean them, and wasn't that sweet of him, though big chance he's just coating his rejection with sweet words.

Prachi's stand:

- She said 'A wife can forgive if her husband strays once, but she dies when her loyalty is being questioned!!!' Or something to that effect. Well, not to be mean or anything, she doesn't seem to act accordingly to these words. Definitely more than once her husband seems to 'lost his way', and she seems very much forgiving, still. And instead of dying when her loyalty being questioned, she daringly created situations where her loyalty was not only being questioned, but more or less being confirmed of its non-existence. Anyway will let others dig this matter deeper, I'm not currently interested in Prachi's take on ONS. However I know Prachi is against ONS in every ways. She might forgive Milind but she would be hurt. Just like many other women she expects Milind, the man whom she loves, to honor and respect their marriage by being faithful to her, body and soul. But she might not yet realize that just like her, Milind would be loyal to her always, not because of duty or honor or moral, but because his heart would only let him be with her and her alone:)

edited to add three clearly missing words to the first paragraph: 'in the beginning'😊
Edited by Magno - 17 years ago

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