Debate Contest, Topic #1!! closed! - Page 6

Originally posted by: psawyer

The bits in bold are the bits I want to counter. Anaita wants to destroy the whole Bajaj-Basu family relationship - she will use Sneha for that, just as Aparna and Komo used Prem. In the end who lost out? APB AND their son Prem. Similarly, will Sneha ever remain happy if her parents (all three of them) are constantly fighting because of her mother-in-law? Will Anaita spare Sneha? She will use Sneha as a pawn and throw her away at the end of it. And she knows, that in Sneha, lies APB's jaan - so she will destroy her to destroy the. She will not spare her because she is Omi's wife.

Also, Bajaj has never said to Sneha that he is AGAINST the marriage - he asked her to trust him; to trust that he will do the right thing by her and try to give her happiness - all she needs to do is give it time. She needs to let her parents be parents and find a way to give her happiness. That's all - she will not suffer if she waits a little while longer to get married. He has not stopped her from loving or seeing Omi - he has just asked for a bit of faith.

The red part, I agree with. I also think that OS should marry, but rushing the way they are will only lead to problems later...nothing should be done in haste - any decision made in haste, anger, revenge, etc etc will inevitably be wrong, no doubt about it. Only by thinking things through with a calm state of mind can such important and life-altering decisions be made: this is not child's play. It's like Anu is behaving like the archetypal "absentee father" - the person who has never been around their child, and feeling guilty for this, tries to buy their child's love with sweets, candy or toys. I am NOT dounting Anu's love for Sneha - and I am not saying that he is "buying" her love - what I am saying, is that, to make up for his (for whatever reasons) absence as a father for tha past 20 years, he is indulging her w/o thinking it through - he needs to take one step back and think carefully - OS DO love each other, but how can he, as Sneha's "janamdata" (a term that has been treated with disgust on the forum!) ensure that her happiness is not momentary? And one final thing - even if he IS disrespecting Bajaj's right as a father (which he should not do), Sneha only has ONE mother - but even she was not consulted/informed about the shagun. What is that about? Anu is NOT Sneha's only parent - at the very least, Sneha's mother deserves to be included in her daughter's life.

Two wrongs don't make a right - Bajaj may have angered Anu in the office; Prerna may have insulted him and his haq as a father, but that doesn't mean that Anu should retaliate by taking away a mother and a father's right to even be INFORMED....this is not a game of tit-for-tat: it is someone's LIFE. Whatever their differences, these three people have in common and are bound by their love for Sneha, and for her sake, they need to work together to come up with the right solution.

oh plz..do u expect os to get married after 20 years then..how much more wil then wait..in shorts instead of draggin it around n around...

ok, sorry but i was not able to come onine during the past few days.

Anurag does not know why Bajaj doesnt want the OS marriage to happen, from his side he thinks that Bajaj is not letting this marriage happen because of watever had happened with Anu-Pre(the Mayay plan) and that Mr.Bajaj is taking his anger out by doing this. Anurag knows that OS love eachother and that watever happened with Sneha was wrong. If she has once again loved someone she should get that love, she should not loose it. He has gone through the pain (by loosing Prerna) therefore he doesnt want the same thing to happen to Sneha. With this in mind, Anurag is completly right .

Originally posted by: jennymanoj

i agree grace-afterall jo jeeta wahin sinkander n ek aur baat jamke rakhna kadam mere saathiya😆

yeh baat aap ki sar aankhon par, jenny darling!😃😆

Originally posted by: psawyer

I think you guys are putting far too much faith in "WHAT IF"...what if Anaita turns good,m what if Sneha wins her over, what if, what if, what if. I agree, there is no guarantee that she will always be evil, just like there is no guarantee that she will ever change and accept Sneha fully. The point is not what will happen AFTER the marriage, the point is, are these people willing to take a risk? There is, IMO, a 70-30% chance that Anaita will NOT change - leapords and their spots, etc. So, is anyone thinking far enough ahead into this relationship? Only Rishabh. Maybe Sneha CAN win Anaita over, but what if she can't? Forgetting Anurag and forgetting Rishabh for a minute, imagine two normal parents, from off the street - can you imagine them taking such a risk with their daughter's life? ESPECIALLY when she's suffered from a broken marriage before - wouldn't they be extra careful? I don't want to get personal here, but I know that MY dad would never let me make a hasty decision if he thinks there is the SLIGHTEST chance that something will go wrong. It may hurt me in the short term, but he would rather see me in pain for a little while than for the rest of my life.

Once again - we are not disputing that OS are in love - Rish knows that and he wants S to be happy, and wants to unite OS. He also knows that Anaita is not to be trusted - all he wants is to take things slowly - is that SO hard to believe?

And someone said earlier that Bajaj should not have said those nasty things to Anu in the office (in reply to my saying that Anu should not have taken the shagun w/o informing anyone). In that case, you agree that Anu hastened the process because he was irked with Bajaj and wanted to teach him a lesson? Can you imagine? A father using his daughter to get back at another man??

well at least we are saying "What iF", but you are sticking too Ahahita is evil and who knows how long it'll take to wait until she turn positive! we are just thinking positively and there is some chance that anhaita might change, the way Omi changed!

and one thing, i know from personal experiences, this Phenomenon called "RISK" is there in every decision you take, every step you take in life, everything you want to, whether it's the decision to choose the best school, study, job, business, life partner and marriage!! it's always risky, there is a chance you might fail, but looking on the brighter side of life, you might be happy!!

i agree, parents are extra careful, when their daughter suffered from a broken marriage before - but iska matlab yeh to nahin, that when that same daughter finally found another life partner, she can't get married to him, just because they think the boy's family isn't good???

Life is nothing without taking risks in life, i mean! 😊isliye people also say that it's always risky to get married , you never know what will happen in the future. if there is written a happily married life in your kismat, then your marriage will be succesful!!

well i know that in my case, if i'll decide to marry the guy of my dreams, my mom & sisters are going to approve for this marriage soch samaj kar of course, vasu, they would never let me make a hasty decision if they think there is the SLIGHTEST chance that something will go wrong. But that doesn't mean you can sort things out nah?? i know they won't say "Forget the Boy", "yeh shaadi nahin ho sakti", if they discover that we truly love each other!! 😛

i really don't know who said that, but i completely disagree and don't think that Anu hastened the process because he was irked with Bajaj and wanted to teach him a lesson! as i've already stated before, Anurag is not the kinda man who is using others to get back to anothere and certainly he'll never use his daughter!!😉

Originally posted by: Garv_Kumud_4eva

this debate is getting so boring, we as bajajians are using new things to debate, but the anuians r just using the same old OS love each other stuff, which is okay!!
let's continue to use that to defend anurag!! 😉

oh come on sammie, abhi abhi to shuru hue hain, and tum bored hogayee...??😆 😆😃😆 jaago Sipahi!!😃...😉

well dear, the taks was to debate on who's right nah( current kzk storyline)? anu or bajaj, so defintely we are going to talk abt O-S love, right?😉

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but not to worry, we'll come up with this new thing!!!

Forget O-S!! let's go some epsiodes back, okay be prepared right? 😃because ab tumhara defend karne ka waqt aagayaaaa!!!!😃

Do you think Bajaj was right to come up with the shart?? he would approve for the wedding, if OMi becomes his ghar jamai!! isn't that strange, bajaj himself loves his selfrespect, how can he think any selfrespecting guy would love to become a ghar jamai?? well i think that was really really wrong!!!

achha.....take ur time😉

Originally posted by: psawyer

The bits in bold are the bits I want to counter. Anaita wants to destroy the whole Bajaj-Basu family relationship - she will use Sneha for that, just as Aparna and Komo used Prem. In the end who lost out? APB AND their son Prem. Similarly, will Sneha ever remain happy if her parents (all three of them) are constantly fighting because of her mother-in-law? Will Anaita spare Sneha? She will use Sneha as a pawn and throw her away at the end of it. And she knows, that in Sneha, lies APB's jaan - so she will destroy her to destroy the. She will not spare her because she is Omi's wife.

Also, Bajaj has never said to Sneha that he is AGAINST the marriage - he asked her to trust him; to trust that he will do the right thing by her and try to give her happiness - all she needs to do is give it time. She needs to let her parents be parents and find a way to give her happiness. That's all - she will not suffer if she waits a little while longer to get married. He has not stopped her from loving or seeing Omi - he has just asked for a bit of faith.

The red part, I agree with. I also think that OS should marry, but rushing the way they are will only lead to problems later...nothing should be done in haste - any decision made in haste, anger, revenge, etc etc will inevitably be wrong, no doubt about it. Only by thinking things through with a calm state of mind can such important and life-altering decisions be made: this is not child's play. It's like Anu is behaving like the archetypal "absentee father" - the person who has never been around their child, and feeling guilty for this, tries to buy their child's love with sweets, candy or toys. I am NOT dounting Anu's love for Sneha - and I am not saying that he is "buying" her love - what I am saying, is that, to make up for his (for whatever reasons) absence as a father for tha past 20 years, he is indulging her w/o thinking it through - he needs to take one step back and think carefully - OS DO love each other, but how can he, as Sneha's "janamdata" (a term that has been treated with disgust on the forum!) ensure that her happiness is not momentary? And one final thing - even if he IS disrespecting Bajaj's right as a father (which he should not do), Sneha only has ONE mother - but even she was not consulted/informed about the shagun. What is that about? Anu is NOT Sneha's only parent - at the very least, Sneha's mother deserves to be included in her daughter's life.

Two wrongs don't make a right - Bajaj may have angered Anu in the office; Prerna may have insulted him and his haq as a father, but that doesn't mean that Anu should retaliate by taking away a mother and a father's right to even be INFORMED....this is not a game of tit-for-tat: it is someone's LIFE. Whatever their differences, these three people have in common and are bound by their love for Sneha, and for her sake, they need to work together to come up with the right solution.

yeah we are all aware of Anahita's real intentions, she wants to destroy the whole Bajaj-Basu family relationship - by using this marriage issue!!😡😡

you said : Sneha needs to let her parents be parents and find a way to give her happiness. Anurag is also her dad, he can do anything for Sneha and if anahita does something wrong with sneha he will not leave anahita!😉

- she will not suffer if she waits a little while longer to get married, i agree! but who said anu wanted to get her married tomorrow?😆?? and yeah she can wait of course, but what will she wait for exactly??and kab tak?? till bajaj finds evidence against anahita to proof sneha-Omi that anhaita is abt to destroy them all??

finally, don't worry dear, in the end all three will work together for the best solution!!😉

Sorry for joining late..I'm not active on weekends 😊

I've read all the previous posts...& I have just one Qs for the Anurag fans....Is love alone enough to sustain a marriage? Isn't teh family involved? Anurag & Prerna were the so-called eternal lovers..but didn't his family & Rishabh play an important role in deciding the fate of their relationship?

Another thing that Vasu mentioned...Anurag may have given birth to Sneha, but she is Rishabh's daughter (BTW, that dialouge in the party was too funny when Anu said that even after his death Sneha will be known as his daughter....shuks even when u r alive she is known as Sneha Rishabh Bajaj 😆 ). Whether or not Rishabh is right, he has full right to make decisions in Sneha's life...at least more than Anurag. And what abt Prerna...she is also Sneha's 'janadaata'...how can Anurag be the only person to decide?

Now u guys will say he didn't force Sneha, but teh fact remains that w/o his support, Sneha would not have gone against her parents' decision

And is it soooo bad to hold ur parents in higher esteem than ur love? I mean, Omi also chose Anahita over Sneha..but this Sneha got so despo to get married that she chose her love over her father

Originally posted by: Manasi_16

Sorry for joining late..I'm not active on weekends 😊

I've read all the previous posts...& I have just one Qs for the Anurag fans....Is love alone enough to sustain a marriage? Isn't teh family involved? Anurag & Prerna were the so-called eternal lovers..but didn't his family & Rishabh play an important role in deciding the fate of their relationship?

Another thing that Vasu mentioned...Anurag may have given birth to Sneha, but she is Rishabh's daughter (BTW, that dialouge in the party was too funny when Anu said that even after his death Sneha will be known as his daughter....shuks even when u r alive she is known as Sneha Rishabh Bajaj 😆 ). Whether or not Rishabh is right, he has full right to make decisions in Sneha's life...at least more than Anurag. And what abt Prerna...she is also Sneha's 'janadaata'...how can Anurag be the only person to decide?

Now u guys will say he didn't force Sneha, but teh fact remains that w/o his support, Sneha would not have gone against her parents' decision

And is it soooo bad to hold ur parents in higher esteem than ur love? I mean, Omi also chose Anahita over Sneha..but this Sneha got so despo to get married that she chose her love over her father

hey welcomeManasi, tumhari hi kammi thi😉!! humne socha tha tum darr gayee thi!!😆

okay all jokes apart, 😛let me rely on ur comments ( which i've made bold okay)

okay to start with marriages: to sustain a marriage love alone is of course not enough yaar, that we all now, but Love, trust, understanding between the 2 people are the things whic can make a marriage succesful!

family is always involved manasi, but not in such way that tthe family takes all decisions for the couple!! they have to work on their marriage/rishta on their own too!!

and abt ANU-Prerna eternal lovestory!😛 yeah it's a fact that his family & Rishabh played an important role in deciding the fate of their relationship!! we can point out each thing exactly the way they happened. but let's discuss that later! That's why we can say that circumstances lead to unexpected things in life nah! You never know what's destined to happened!!😛 scary, but true, that's life!

Whether or not Anurag is right, even he has right to think of his daughter's happiness nah?? if he wants to bring happiness in Sneha's life, why not??😉

And is it's not at all bad to hold ur parents in higher esteem than ur love!! who said that!

But if its not bad to chose ur parents over ur love, why didn't Anurag tell Sneha that listen, I know u love Omi..but Rishabh is thinking of ur happiness & by making him & Prerna unhappy you shouldn't get married..

[quote=Gracella]well i know that in my case, if i'll decide to marry the guy of my dreams, my mom & sisters are going to approve for this marriage soch samaj kar of course, vasu, they would never let me make a hasty decision if they think there is the SLIGHTEST chance that something will go wrong. But that doesn't mean you can sort things out nah?? i know they won't say "Forget the Boy", "yeh shaadi nahin ho sakti", if they discover that we truly love each other[/quote]

Graci, you made my point perfectly here- Rishabh has NOT told Sneha "Forget Omi, yeh shaadi nahin hio sakti", has he? If you think he has, I suggest you go back and rewatch those eps - what he has said is that he needs to figure out a way to give her her happiness and at the same time reduce the risk of her marriage failing again....of course there is a risk in everything we do - there is even a risk when we cross the road every morning that we could get run over. So what do we do? Do we go charging across the road lightning speed, not taking road conditions into consideration? No, we stop, look at both sides of the road, check that there aren't going to be any nasty surprises and THEN cross. In business, love, life, everything you mentioned - there is a risk. But if you KNOW of the possible consequences of a decision before you make it, you take those consequences into consideration and try and find a possible soluion, not go ahead with it anyway, regardless of what may happen.

If you know you are really bad at Chemistry, and you have a major exam coming up, what would you do? Sit back and let fate handle it? Pray that you get a decent, lenient examiner, or only get those questions to which you know the answer? No, these things (which of course you will hope and pray for) must be supplemented by your own hard work. You must study to the best of your ability, and then, only then, leave it up for fate to handle. That way, even if you fail, at least you know that you tried your best - not that you were too lazy or complacent to leave everything upto God and faith. My dad always tells me one thing - God helps those who help themselves. If you can't be bothered to at least TRY to sort your life out, then why should God do all the work? This is why I hate it when any char (and Anurag) start bemoaning their kismat when in actual fact they are the ones responsible for their own misfortunes. Kismat can only do so much for you...the rest is up to you.

This situation is like standing in the middle of a busy motorway, watching a truck hurtle towards you at 90 mph and just standing there, leaving everything up to "fate" and love. If I have love in my heart, I will be saved....life does not work like that. Life is far too precious to knowingly jump into a cesspit...

And Bajaj doesn't know for SURE that Anaita is still evil, he is being cautious because of her history. Can you blame him? They forgave Aparna, let her back into their lives and she ruined them again. And at the time, ANURAG was the one not willing to believe that she had changed. And yet today, he forgets all his misgivings about OYA, and even though all he can see is that charging truck, he still won't move out of the way.