is AD stronger than JW or vice versa - Page 3

fsam/ meg....
I was expecting that answer form ... that is why I said directly....


but coming to the disc. about who is the bigger and better psyco then pia will be the winner....
cause AD has just begun 😉 😆 ...

haila.. glad to see such a strong response to d post.. thanx guyz 😳 .. read each and everyone.. both POV's..

rearview.. farah.. completely agree wit wat u guyz said👏

im bac to wat i said before.. using a person who's already weak.. and then using THAT person's weakness for ur motive.. doesn't make u any stronger..

AD in this case.. is using both jai and bani.. mainly jai.. as he blackmails him via phonecalls everynight.. d last thing we saw in friday's epi.. that's not strong from any sense.. cuz he knowss he may lose his pawn.. he knows his pawn (durga) is weak.. even though she's shown to be very strong.. nothin melted her but her kids and d luv she saw that they had for their father (JW).. that's it.. otherwise she's fully prepared to destroy her enemies (d walia's)

she's strong - we see it.. AD sees it too but he doesn't trust wat he sees.. maybe he doesn't have faith in durga - the durga that HE "created"... that's y he's so anxious to have her back in AD mansion soon!!.. or maybe its his posessiveness taking over... as he did lose pallavi due to that posessiveness..

and even here.. a 'posessive' person from my POV is never strong.. they're just weak.. and they fear d worst at all time.. and cross all limits to destroy or get wat they want.. (AD's doing justtt that)..

and lastly as farah put it.. and i couldn't agree more 👏 👏 👏
[quote=fsam]Being a stronger human being and living by a set of values and ethics is more important. [/quote]

Hmmm... this thread is going wayyyyyyyyyy off topic! 😆

It was to do with strength... and now somehow it's about parenting children and being a good/bad husband! 😆

Please, if anything, out of respect for Navs, let's stick to topic. I'm sure that there are other topics that deal with who the better husband, parent and carer would be out of AD and Walia (my vote goes to Walia by the way 😊 ).

God bless.

NYZ, Mango, Rearview,

I have been pretty put out by Friday's episode. What I found objectionable about AD's characterization is the fact that he used his love as a blackmail bait. Had he not been in love with DDG, using her as a shastra was understandable from an anti hero POV. Beng an AD fan, I give him enough rope to think that he is bluffing JW about handing Bani over to the police and JW just needs to call his bluff but in my opinion using your love as a bait is a complete no no and thus my disappointment with AD's characterization from the Friday incident.

Since we are comparing the two, I don't find JW great in moral strength either. He let Pia blackmail him after what was then a ONS. He used "Bani toot jayegi" as an excuse to not let Bani know about it. He confessed while she slept, for God's sake how much lamer can it get. It is that blackmail that compromised the integrity of JW like no other act did and it is that giving in to blackmail that set the momentum for the events to follow and for the downward spiral of the character. So I don't buy the argument that JW is morally the stronger of the two.

As far as comparing their ability to prtect Bani's physical safety, I think AD will do a better job even if he is blackmailing JW with bani as bait. AD has been there to protect Bani in her times of need, no matter what the intentions. He saved her from MA, death etc. five years back, he saved her again when Pia called the police on Bani post leap. He thinks on his feet, uses crooked means but gets the task accomplished. Witness the incident when Pia called the police on Bani post leap. While JW was busy giving Pia ultimatums about saat ghante, AD was at the police station with bani's fake passport. It would have done JW no harm to collaborate with the enemy (AD) to demonstrate, if nothing else, that he too can think on his feet when it comes to protecting Bani.

When JW failed to protect Bani right before the leap, being a JW fan that I was then, I gave him rope too. I saw a broken man who couldnm't think given the extent of his loss. I saw a man completely broken, completely shattered and in that I saw his vulnerability, the entirety of his love for Bani. What is entirely unacceptable from a husband who loves his wife to that great an extent, is the fact that they didn't show him as even trying to clear Bani's name. Had he done that, Pia nor AD would have been in a continued position to blackmail JW over Bani.

In conclusion, I remain an AD fan despite his fall from grace (big time according to me) in that one last scene on Friday. Whether he redeems himself or not is immaterial. I like the fact that the guy shows some action, be it right or wrong. I firmly believe he will pay for his mistakes. I also believe he will lose everything in the end. I don't mind that.

JW's inaction, on the other hand, is killing me. His hands are tied ever since October last year, in fact even before that Cobra Roshni was blackmailing him for not telling Bani about PR raaz. The guy gets blackmailed too much. He pays for mistakes he hasn't committed. Does it make him noble or render him ineffective and helpless? From reading public opinion on this forum, seems like it is former for the majority, for me it is the latter. I expect more action, be it right or wrong, be it evil or good, from a business tycoon. I hope I have not deviated from the topic NYZ.

Abha

Hmmmm... challo, fsam ji ne keh diya issliye maine maan liya! 😊

I like this debate on the the issue of strength. 👍🏼

Anyways, I asked a question earlier about the validity of using a persons moral values as the ONLY measure of strength... I'll repeat the scenario again 😊

As we all know by now, Walia is set to lose everything over the coming weeks ( )... I'm not sure how bad it will be, but suppose he is brought to the streets as a result. In that case, his moral values would still remain... but if like Saloni's family in Saat Phere where Kadam Singh put them into the streets, Walia has to become dependant on others for survival, would he still be strong (I mean, the moral values are still there, right) ? If he was reduced from being a business tycoon to being a nobody, would his strength still be intact because of his morals?

God bless.

Hmmm... hey, I think that concludes our debate then fsam ji! 😃

It's now clear that our difference of opinion is mainly down to differences in opinion of what makes a person strong or not.

Whilst I think that moral values play a PART in the strength of a character, I do not subscribe to the view that they are the only (or even the dominating) criteria for determining whether the character is strong or weak.

My personal opinion is that there are many factors that contribute to a characters strength. I truly believe that things like money and how much control the character has over other characters are just some of the things in the that are important factors. Whilst I do feel that money is not EVERYTHING, I certainly do not think that money is NOTHING! 😆

I will concede on one thing though - Walia is the nicer guy from the two. But to me, niceness and strength, although they can be related, they aren't identical. A nice guy does not neccessarily mean a strong guy to me.

Anyways, I'm off for the day. It was awesome debating with you fsam ji! Hopefully the first of many more 👍🏼

God bless.

Rearview,

I have never argued that AD is a saint or that JW's penchant for punishement makes AD a saint. One person's activity or inactivity does not make the other a better person.

AD is not a saint and I like him despite the fact that he is not a saint. I have already stated my view about not liking AD's act of using bani as bait.

Using reverse logic, the fact that AD used Bani as a bait, does not redeem JW of giving in to blackmail after ONS even if I give the character enough rope about all other inactions.

People may justify the actions of their favorite actor based on their preferences. Currently I prefer AD's characterization despite that one complete no-no incident. I am sure there will be many falls (albeit of a differetn kind) just as there have been many for JW. All that is yet to unfold.

I can understand why you cannot appreciate AD as a strong man. I hope you too understand why I cannot accept JW as a strong man. I hope we will both continue our interaction in a pleasant way despite our differences over fictional characters.

I see you are new to the forum. Welcome and here is to happy discussion times.

FSAM you can only know or not know whether JW tried to prove Bani's innocence based on what the creatives show. They showed a ruthless JW minting money, they showed a JW cold towards his employees, they shopwed a JW unmoved by a child beggar. I have no way of knowing whether JW ran into roadblocks to prove Bani's innocence based on KS episodes that they aired. And unless I know that I am going to say he didn't even try. Your faith in JW may lead you to believing otherwise and I have no problems with that. Just a different POV.

Abha

Ambitiouspeople,

Thank you for pointing out that indeed there are many perspectives and people define their choices based on their perspective and what they choose to highlight. And also welcome to the forum.

Abha

One last reply before I sleep! 😊

RearView and Ambitiouspeople, it seems that you lot have misunderstood the point I was trying to make.

I gave that scenario to simply question whether morality really should be used as the ONLY criteria for labelling a guy as strong or weak. If the answer is yeah, then any nice person is therefore very strong.

My belief is that whilst it can be a factor, I didn't believe that it was the ONLY important factor.

I was definitely questioning about equating morality with strength, yeah. However, I was NOT equating morality with money. In fact, if you read over my hypothecial scenario again, I was questioning IF a person can be a nobody in terms of what he has in money, status, and how independant he is, and still be considered strong just for having a good set of morals.

I did not say that because a guy has morals, that is the only reason he has money... in fact I didn't even suggest anything remotely along those lines 😆 So hopefully it should be clearer that I am not equating morality with money... because that would be crazy! 😆

And Ambitiouspeople, I do understand moral strength... however, this topic only asked about strength and did not specifically ask about moral strength. Therefore I am only putting forward my view that there is more to strength in general than simply moral strength. 😊

As ever, take care and God bless.