Aryaman and Alya?!?! Y did the writers let it go?

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adalvr

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Posted: 9 years ago

#21

Ok, I really have to point it out.

1. Why is it ok for Nandini to cry in every other scene and have literally every guy and character on the show lend his/her shoulder for her to cry on. Isn't that a pity party too? How much sympathy should one give her, just cuz she is the lead character.

2. Alya and Mukti finally broke and were looking for the attention they they deserved, specially Alya. She was suffering from bulimia, none of her "friends" even noticed it until she told them about it. All she wanted was some alone time from Fab 5, as it hurts when your closest friends don't understand your pain. As someone who has seen what depression is like. I can guarantee you, you simply do not want to open up to anyone no matter what. It eats u up from within. It's only at the latter stages that you do two extremes one is to burst out and the other to completely give up.

3. Manik wasn't fair to Alya. If he told her the truth that he had feelings for Nandini. Things may have been different. He made her believe that it was her lack of trust which caused the breakup. Which is why she decided to get back with him. She was only trying to hit two birds with one stone. Help Dhruv and try to get back with Manik. All of this cuz she genuinely liked Manik and believed that they were meant to be at that time. She deserved a second chance but am glad it didn't happen cuz he never gave a rat's about her the entire 7 years of that relationship.

Alya did not make a huge fuss that Manik broke up with her cuz of Nandini. All she wanted was the truth. She didn't blame Manik or anyone for that matter for the break up. He never really was in their lives post Nandini. She was looking for all her friends, not just Mukti. She never blamed Manik for her breakup with Dhruv, but Dhruv definitely blamed Manik for the same.

4. Even during Mukti's story, Nandini cried yet again and there was so much focus on that, I get that as a girl one cannot see it happen. But why so much stress on her yet again when it is someone else's story?

5. I get that on Indian telly literally everything is spun around the leads but this is where I was hoping that YAARIYAN would mean something different.

6. Alya liked Aryaman but he was in no way a rebound. A rebound is when you actually get physical. Alyamann never took off and only remained friends. So nope, it isn't a rebound.

7. If I remember correctly, after Alya and Manik broke up, it was Alya who shed tears, she felt bad for her actions and thought that she deserved it even though she didn't. There was no such emotion, not even for the 7 years from Manik. So clearly she felt bad.

8. Dhruv happened to her by chance and she found her comfort with him. He helped assuage her pain. And after the break up, he never really put in any effort to apologize to her, all he did was find lame excuses and try to get back with her. The girl was shattered.

9. Alya feeling anrgy abut the album deal was because:

a. She was right, Manik did have feelings for Nandini and that was the reason they broke up and she was right.

b. It's not that she did not move on from Manik. She just felt betrayed. She deserved the truth. Not that she wanted to get back with Manik.

10. Having consensual sex with a guy you love after an argument happens so many times with so many couples. Ex Leonard- Penny in TBBT. Nothing lame if not the smartest thing to do.

Again, as I pointed out earlier. Most people judge the characters on this show based on:-

a. Whether or not they are supportive of Manan.

b. Whether or not they agree with them all the time.

c. Whether or not they are with them at every beck and call of the leads.

d. The individuality of the characters is not appreciated.

I like Alya although granted Mukti needs to rest her vocal chords. If only Nandini could do anything other than to cry or chant Manik's name. Navya could have been portrayed much better.

Edited by adalvr - 9 years ago

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adalvr

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Posted: 9 years ago

#22

And yes, I think I can safely say that many people thought that Alyamann had potential.

So cheers to that.

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Posted: 9 years ago

#23

" Why is it ok for Nandini to cry in every other scene and have literally every guy and character on the show lend his/her shoulder for her to cry on. Isn't that a pity party too"

LOL...look who is speaking...Didn't you say in your last post that you skip all manan nandini related scenes and that is enough for me to conclude that your views are highly prejudiced . 😛 i would have loved to have a discussion on this but no way i find your views and analysis fair and objective.

And from your perception of alya u r making her look like damsel in distress and also mother thressea who took care of fab4 when manik was busy😆 And so basically you have no issues with the typical female lead characterization of "damsel in distress" and also "selfless " kind of woman. Though alya had her unique shades of character that made her stand out but the way you r describing i am just confused is it alya or nandini you are talking of ?😆

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shibz

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Posted: 9 years ago

#24

Few points-

All the characters in KY2 are flawed - Fab5 and NavNi. All the 5 characters of Fab5 are Gray - different shades of it. Including Manik! Which is very real.

All the main characters are teens - from 17-19. So to expect maturity from Manik is unrealistic!

Manik did not know about his feelings for Nandini, what would he tell Aliya?😕 His reason for breakup was trust! For the same reason he broke up with Nandini as well. But it wasn't easy to actually let her go coz he loved her.

Manik was always there for his friends! Many a times he held them above Nandini in his priority list. He blamed himself for not being there for them when he was unable to. He hurt Nandini many times knowingly or unknowingly. It is much later that Nandini became his utmost priority - After more than half the s1. However he was and is always ready to help whoever needs it the most at that moment.

Manik-Aliya had their first talk about break up after MaNan's valentines day break up. He told her that she deserved someone better, someone who loved her unlike him who's life is in a mess(I don't remember his exact lines)

Their second talk of course happened during M'lore track. That was the end of the awkwardness from Manik's side.

You cannot expect them to break up and be friends right from the next day. It takes time. And ppl move on. So did they.

Manik never held anybody from his friends responsible for the mess in his life. They weren't there when he was in pain either. They weren't able to read his eyes or his actions. They couldn't see love in his eyes either.
But he wanted to be there for them always. That's because he holds them close to his heart. It's not unreal. It's just human nature.

So does Nandini. Tears aren't her weakness. She doesn't sit clueless shedding tears. They help her to rise stronger. Unlike Mukti who was on antidepressant and Aliya who took to chocolates and other stuff(Bulimia). So who is stronger?

Like I already said, Manik & Nandini aren't flawless characters but their relationship is perfect coz they gave it the time to build into a healthy relationship and did not rush into it unlike DhuLya. Together they grew up to be better individuals(especially Manik). That's why audience appreciate them more.

Nothing unrealistic about other characters, but their character graph isn't appealing. That said, Manik and Nandini too had their share of criticism from audience but overall they are the most loved characters.

Edited by shibz - 9 years ago

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adalvr

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Posted: 9 years ago

#25

Alya is no damsel in distress, if she was, I wouldn't have bothered about her. You probably aren't able to understand my point. In fact as I have repeatedly said I like her greyish shades, I do not find her actions unjustifiable even if they are a bit over the top. I can relate to her in certain ways.

Nope, I didn't say that she looked after Fab 5.

Yes, I skip as much Manan as the youtube forward button allows me to, cuz it's all the same. But more importantly I have skipped them after I found it to be too typical. And it wasn't just me who held the same opinion.

It's the Manan craze that is biased not me. But I get that too. I would have never bothered to watch Alya if I found her along the same lines as Nandini for sure.

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priakachan

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Posted: 9 years ago

#26

Very interesting perspectives. Now let me state my POV on this whole thing.

Aryaman getting closer to Nandini may have a reason! Nandini was the 1st one who made a friendship with Aryaman knowing his evil intentions and to protect Manik before other Fab 5 members including Alya who were standing on the opposite side as Fab 5 with Manik. At that point in season 1, Aryaman didn't have feelings for Nandini. He knew of Manik-Nandini love story. But then, after Manik was said to be dead...in those 3 months time span, perhaps he was there all the time to console her and that way...sympathy towards a girl who was loyal to her guy, deeply in love with him...that sympathy may slowly turn to attraction seeing her deep love for her guy and slowly convert to love. We always get attracted to those who are loyal to their love even after the person he/she loved is dead. Because we feel that a girl who is loyal to the guy and pines for him..if she somehow understands that her love is gone with passage of time..may seek solace in a close friend and he may perhaps be able to take up the place of her love interest who is not with her. It's a really interesting psychology and perhaps Aryaman wants to take the place of Manik in the life of Nandini..just like Soha wanted to take the place of Nandini! (Difference is...Soha was psychotic enough to replace Nandini by killing her and Aryaman is not!😆)

The love Aryaman feels for Nandini is not the kind of passionate love that Manik felt towards Nandini. Theirs was hatred turning love and there was sparks flying and they understood each other deeply with passage of time including becoming friends. Nandini managed to tame Manik. Nandini had the same strong feeling for Manik throughout. At one point, Nandini herself said, that she and Manik, can never be "just" friends. 😉 I feel Aryaman's love for Nandini is sympathy converting to closer friendship to heal Nandini of her pain and which converted to one-sided love. These three months, if we take 'Kaisi Yeh Yaariaan' as a real life situation...Fab 3 and Aryaman would have been trying their best to console Nandini who possibly went crazy knowing that her love possibly died.

Now there's a question, why all the guys are falling for Nandini and not for Alya? One point is that...even though Alya is graceful, she has a stronger side. She rebounds faster than Nandini did like when she 1st got to suspect Manik having something for Nandini. Nandini has a more homely persona compared to Alya who is more of a modern type of girl. Nandini was more into praying to Ayyappa, worrying over Rishabh, chacha-chachi and about her friends. Alya never had that sort of a homely persona. She has Harshad as a wicked brother, and she is torn between love for her friends and her brother Harshad. Alya possibly was with Manik because she knew inwardly that Harshad is evil and Manik (eventhough monster in behaviour) was good. U know...among friends, jab saath rehte hai...tho ek aadat si ho jaati hai. Among Fab 5, the most feminine one (specially when comparing with Mukti) is Alya. Alya is stylish, elegant, graceful...but Nandini is cute and innocent! Perhaps cute and innocent was Manik's type. He started by harassing her and as he was too busy with harassing her that she started filling his brain and he was more deeply into harassing her than spending time with Alya. It happens that sometimes, we think more about enemies than friends!😆😛

Nandini started off as a rival/rebel who started a war with Manik when she punched him. Alya wanted Manik to turn all his attention to her, but Manik's brain was filled with how to harass Nandini who was putting a question mark on his being leader of Fab 5 and she called Fab 5 "nothing" and as the leader (who had a bit of wickedness, credits to the upbringing of Nyonika😆) it hurt Manik and he wanted to make Nandini pay for it and he started off by making Nandini a "Spot" 😆

But then again...the whole revenge saga started getting disrupted coz of Dhruv and Rishabh and their starry problems ⭐️ and I feel somewhere...he wanted Nandini on his side and perhaps he felt inwardly jealous seeing Harshad's friendship with her. Perhaps that could be one hidden reason why he made Nandini a spot..because Manik wanted to keep her away from Harshad and also to claim his possession and it was not love at that point..it was a sort of marking territory! Harshad keep off!! 😆

Now with the passing of time...Nandini became like a shadow to Manik and Manik was getting attracted to his Spot too...specially the point where he saved her life and saw her crying and saw her vulnerable feminine weak side (that sort of wanted to make him hug her, which he resisted)😆. But then again...while Manik was falling in love with Nandini (which he didn't realize then)...similarly Dhruv and Alya were falling in love and perhaps it was coz unlike Manik who was bossy, Dhruv was the calm sweet type initially.😛

A question is there- Why Manik broke relationship with Alya? We may feel the reason is Nandini. But it was something more than that. With Alya he had physical attraction more than a deep emotional/intellectual connection and sometimes we misunderstand physical attraction as love...but Manik-Nandini combo proved it wrong. Nandini's innocence, her caring nature, love for family and god..all these homely qualities were something Manik was totally alien to. He knew only of "give and take" taught by Nyonika! 😈

Alya and Manik ...and rest of the fab 5 members faced broken family relationships...mental issues (take Mukti for instance who is on drugs, Kabir who was gay, Dhruv coz of the starry issues😆 and Alya coz of her evil brother and Manik coz of his evil mother)...while Nandini who was brought up in a sweet family atmosphere was somebody who was pure, who didn't have mental issues...who never experienced love, but was dreamy and always smiling and her eyes shone seeing fire flies. That sort of innocence attracted Manik..more than her looks. When Manik was being a monster, Nandini wanted to change him to be a good person and this is one reason for being Manik attracted to Nandini. She was the one who was willing to get hit by eggs in place of her friend, willing to be a spot to protect her family. Her selfless nature attracted Manik to her. This is what attracted Dhruv and Aryaman too. 😳

Nandini is homely, innocent, shy...and when the guy gets close to her to scare her or to kiss her she blushes, she gets scared...suggests friendship 😆 and the fiery Manik only knew Alya who moved in forward to kiss Manik and for her kissing was perhaps something like holding hands and she was not the shy type but rather the bold modern type. Manik though he acts all stylish has a very Indian heart..he gets possessive, he gets bossy, he has the monster side! Alya never made him possessive & he never had to boss around her. She was more of the boss! In the start itself..it was Alya who initiates the kiss...but if not for the accidental kiss...Manik had to take many initial getting close steps before Nandini got ready for a kiss! She is the very feminine, shy, Indian type of girl..whom perhaps Manik secretly fantasized!😆

It's not that Alya is not a good girl, but she has a wild, possessive, jealous side who fumes at the girl she suspects Manik to be attracted to...she was willing to harass Nandini by sending goons to Nandini...while Nandini would never do anything to harass Alya. Alya may do something overboard against a person she dislikes, but Nandini wouldn't do it. Perhaps that is what makes Manik love Nandini as she is pure, caring and innocent (even when it was about Soha) and added to it, the fact that Nandini was his first love (remember the glow on Manik's face when Nandini says that he is her first boyfriend)😉😆, and in her heart no other guy had a place before. Even when Nandini met Dhruv first (who had 1st chance with regard to being closer even before Manik)...he ended up being Nandini's friend and even when Aryaman came in...he became her friend (even after being with her for 3 months after Manik went missing).😉 But always...Manik remained her 1st and only love and she keeps fantasizing of him. Alya is not the dreamy fantasizing type who sees Manik in her bedroom and wonders if she is dreaming.😆
For Alya...Manik was her first love (perhaps😆) and Dhruv her 2nd love. She is not the traditional type who strongly wishes to stick to one guy. She is the kind who manages to move on. For her breakups do create pain, but then, she herself managed to find a 2nd option unlike Nandini who couldn't believe Manik when he said that he was taking revenge on her. The speed at which Alya moved on from Manik to Dhruv is a bit unnatural...taking into account, the Indian version of woman...the girl who is like Sita pining for her Rama!😳

Alya needs somebody who is free of mental issues...somebody who had a pure existence like that of Nandini. Alya is in a way the female version of Manik- aggressive, jealous, possessive, strong and knows to move on in life. Nandini is the kind who would cry for Manik, cannot let go of his thoughts...for her Manik is her world. For Alya...Manik has never been her world. If it were...she wouldn't have moved onto Dhruv!😳

Creatives made Fab 5 as friends who had issues in life and who joined together to heal each other, to stay together and to fight the world. Manik got a healer in Nandini...and Alya and Mukti also need the true love...who will be a source of strength. Fab 5 needs each other to fight the world, but Nandini never needed anyone to fight, she always was ready to take up the initiatives on her own...whether its in Navya's case or in finding a solution when Mukti was harassed. So to the leader of Fab 5, Nandini became someone whom he needed, when Dhruv left him or when Nyonika hurt him or when Fab 5 fought amongst each other..he always needed Nandini. But for fab 5..they needed each other. That is why...its Yaariaan among them.

One reason why Manik considers Nandini his best friend is because, she taught him how to be caring, selfless, to be a better person...which Alya never tried or managed to do. Alya always stood by his evil intentions, while Nandini opposed his evil actions. Alya supported monster Manik but Nandini fought monster Manik and killed the monster in him.

Aryaman had an evil side to him (Soha's incident)...similar to Alya (who was a bit of evil until Manik broke up with her). They are similar so I strongly doubt a compatibility! They can be friends...but do they share a romance? Do sparks fly? I strongly doubt. I mean the way Aryaman is created, the way Alya is created...both have that bit evil side to them, which is hidden. 😉

One reason why Alya was attracted to Dhruv was because, he was the sweet type, caring towards Nandini, who always Manik send to protect those whom he openly announced as victim to Fab 5's targetting!😆 Maybe Dhruv was more like a male version of Nandini...a bit shy type, a bit reserved and Alya liked his initial gentle nature...she perhaps fell in love seeing the way he strongly stood against Manik for the sake of Nandini.😳

But is there something that will instigate Alya to get attracted to Aryaman? I doubt that. I mean Aryaman clearly is in love with Nandini. Aryaman has a fiery side like Alya. They have similarities, when it comes to being aggressive. Surely friends do care about each other...but love is more than just caring. Love (atleast in serials😆) needs to have that attraction, sparks flying and I don't find such things. Bold Alya kissing shy Dhruv was similar to bold Manik kissing shy Nandini!😆

Maybe its weird...but I can't imagine, such a kiss between Aryaman and Alya. Perhaps that is the reason why CVs thought to bring together Alya-Dhruv! 😳

Even after return of Manik...there's more possibility of Manik-Nandini-Aryaman love triangle, than Aryaman forgetting Nandini and moving onto Alya or Mukti. But at the end of the day, it is all about Fab 5 and about friendship. By the by...who all of U have watched "Boys over flowers"?? 😉

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adalvr

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Wow. That was a lot, but ultimately it boils down to the innocent and I am quoting you here "Sita" type gal who pines for a guy BTW at 19 is what most guys will prefer.

The more upfront a girl is, the lesser she deserves. But I beg to differ, in real life one may come across more Alyas than Nandinis. And as someone pointed out, my English teacher even, most Maniks in real life don't end up with N.

This type of a thinking and assumption is so typical, no offence. Most Indian shows, I'm guessing feed that thought.

It may be easy to fall for Nandini. It may take more effort to like Alya, which is what I like, she is a lot more relatable for a girl of 19. At that age most people have had at least 3-4 boyfriends. It's only in the latter 20's that people settle for love.

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priakachan

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: adalvr
Wow. That was a lot, but ultimately it boils down to the innocent and I am quoting you here "Sita" type gal who pines for a guy BTW at 19 is what most guys will prefer.
The more upfront a girl is, the lesser she deserves. But I beg to differ, in real life one may come across more Alyas than Nandinis. And as someone pointed out, my English teacher even, most Maniks in real life don't end up with N.

Yaar...aapne "Sita" point pe hi sirf focus daal diye? I just stated Sita with regard to being loyal and with regard to a girl who is one-man woman type! It's not completely about a girl who is pining for a guy when I spoke of Nandini!😆

Actually its just that guys feel..if a girl is more upfront, she can handle herself..tho hero ki kya zaroorat hai? 😆

One factor is that...if U take the whole world, U may come across more Alyas than Nandinis. But if we take India alone, including rural areas, there's more Nandinis who are not as bold.😉😆

Yaar...English teacher, England ki baat kar rahe hai! Anth main guys choose girls who are stable and will stick with them and care for them and worry about them and are angels and a bit weak, so that he can protect her. First attraction tho hamesha Alyas se hi hote hai, magar shaadi ke time pe, parents kisi Nandini ko dhoond dete hai apne bete ke liye!😆😛

This type of a thinking and assumption is so typical, no offence. Most Indian shows, I'm guessing feed that thought.

Dear..its not typical, its just that Indians (specially parents) would want their son to marry a girl who will make halwa for her, give birth to babies and give a settled, stable life to their son. At they end of the day, father want his son to get a bride who is like his mother and son want to marry a girl who is like his mother! Its not just Indian shows, its basically about Indian society. 😉😆

It may be easy to fall for Nandini. It may take more effort to like Alya, which is what I like, she is a lot more relatable for a girl of 19. At that age most people have had at least 3-4 boyfriends. It's only in the latter 20's that people settle for love.

Agree! Girls feel more for Alya than Nandini, because they can relate to a girl like Alya who is bold and outright and girls want to be like her!😊 But if you take the whole of India (including rural areas, towns where there are strict, conservative families, we can't say that there are girls totally as outright as Alya who doesn't have anybody to question her hanging out with Manik, but there are more homes, where parents worry where their daughter is, once its past 8 P.M.), there are silent one-way love stories, but the boyfriend concept has not completely set in if we take whole of India. I may sound a bit conservative, when I say this, but even now amidst all the Splitsvilla, there are many Maniks. There are but many Nandinis who have to make an excuse of staying at a female friend's place just to spend an evening or a night with her boyfriend. 😳

Edited by priakachan - 9 years ago

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: shibz
Few points-

All the characters in KY2 are flawed - Fab5 and NavNi. All the 5 characters of Fab5 are Gray - different shades of it. Including Manik! Which is very real.

All the main characters are teens - from 17-19. So to expect maturity from Manik is unrealistic!

Manik did not know about his feelings for Nandini, what would he tell Aliya?😕 His reason for breakup was trust! For the same reason he broke up with Nandini as well. But it wasn't easy to actually let her go coz he loved her.

Manik was always there for his friends! Many a times he held them above Nandini in his priority list. He blamed himself for not being there for them when he was unable to. He hurt Nandini many times knowingly or unknowingly. It is much later that Nandini became his utmost priority - After more than half the s1. However he was and is always ready to help whoever needs it the most at that moment.

Manik-Aliya had their first talk about break up after MaNan's valentines day break up. He told her that she deserved someone better, someone who loved her unlike him who's life is in a mess(I don't remember his exact lines)

Their second talk of course happened during M'lore track. That was the end of the awkwardness from Manik's side.

You cannot expect them to break up and be friends right from the next day. It takes time. And ppl move on. So did they.

Manik never held anybody from his friends responsible for the mess in his life. They weren't there when he was in pain either. They weren't able to read his eyes or his actions. They couldn't see love in his eyes either.
But he wanted to be there for them always. That's because he holds them close to his heart. It's not unreal. It's just human nature.

So does Nandini. Tears aren't her weakness. She doesn't sit clueless shedding tears. They help her to rise stronger. Unlike Mukti who was on antidepressant and Aliya who took to chocolates and other stuff(Bulimia). So who is stronger?

Like I already said, Manik & Nandini aren't flawless characters but their relationship is perfect coz they gave it the time to build into a healthy relationship and did not rush into it unlike DhuLya. Together they grew up to be better individuals(especially Manik). That's why audience appreciate them more.

Nothing unrealistic about other characters, but their character graph isn't appealing. That said, Manik and Nandini too had their share of criticism from audience but overall they are the most loved characters.

U summed it up pretty well.
Of all characters manik cabir and nanidin were the ones who had the constant growth but yes nandini she was time and again made a scapegoat to accommodate new characters.
Dhrulya's was a big time disappointment. What irks the most is even after being humiliated by dhruv in worst possible way alya gets back to him. Creatives ruined it big time.

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