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Originally posted by: -AkDha.Lover-
@Harshu di, I agree that Jodha's verdict was wrong here. Her explanation was right, but she never implemented that. Instead, she contradicted her own words, said a couple of minutes ago.
But, if you see, she actually wanted Jalal to be happy. She also said so in her answer to his question. As she said, her judgement was related to his feelings. Though she did not say that, IMO, her judgement actually was more related to his happiness, than to justice, the culprit, or the situation.And thank you so much. Soo glad you liked my analysis. 😃
Originally posted by: harshu27
agreed shagun...jodha wanted jalal to b happy...and I feel she too is self contradictory...she speaks something else and does something diff... 😕 she herself said tht cz of BB she had to undergo pain humiliation etc...in dat case she had to punish BB but she did d reverse... 😕 also her judgment even if was related to his happiness he wasn't happy with it...and so we have him confronting her on dis topic...y she had to b Mahan and with her verdict did BB had any regrets no at least I couldn't see such feelings visible on her face...?
Thanks Harshu for the wonderful update.
Finally the pregnancy track is over. As I said earlier the end of this track is what made it interesting.
That is the trust factor between Jodha and Jalal became more solidified.
Then we have the intimacy level also changed on both sides where Jalal is more advance than Jodha.
As for Jodha's punishment it was not that Jodha wants Bakshi to go scot free but the conversation she had with Salima had an effect on Jodha's decision...Salima told Jodha it was only Jalal who can save Bakshi... then Jalal tured around and gave the right to punish Bakshi to Jodha.
It was not Jodha's fault too that Bakshi did not show how remorseful she was before DEK nor her fault for Jalal to have such backstabbing relatives. In fact it was this same sister of his who lied fully in front of him and pointed figure at Jodha being a liar on behalf of her husband so there is nothing new and it shouldn't be so for Jalal as he knows his family well.
Now from my perspective Jalal by now knows that Jodha is a kindhearted woman and therefore he expected punishment from Jodha that was less severe for his sister but he had no idea Jodha is capable of going to the extent of forgiving Bakshi so she would live in regret all her life with stigma in the harem. (that alone is shameful enough for the King's sister if you ask me).
So it was Jalal who was not able to totally forgive his sister for hurting and defaming his Jodha hence he added his own punishment.
Jalal coming back to Jodha for her reason for taken such decision was only to reprimand her for putting him in a tight corner where he has to add his own punishment which he wanted to avoid (had Jodha being heartless and given a serve punishment to met his criteria I doubt he would have add his) telling Jodha as a King he doesn't allow relation to affect his judgment then he should have gone ahead and given the punishment outright but the brother in him could not let him do so and that was what Jodha pointed out and it brought tears into his eyes.
The way I see it Jalal did something for Jodha and she in return saw this as an opportunity to do something for him and that was saving his sister from further humiliation brought upon herself by her own doing, because of her husband and been her sister in law this affect Jodha too she protected her before even when she lied against her.
The CVs always left tracks hanging but they could have follow up on how Bakshi felt guilty and how she face taunts in the harem and lead to regret and repent of her deeds but they made her worse by showing her being jealous of Jodha and telling off her brother when he wanted to protect her.
Well we who watched to the very end know that was their expertise...
Originally posted by: ayushimehra
Res
Thanks Harshu .
Today episode was very emotional, But liked your, live cricket, lines ha ha
DEK how jalal feeling occward &announces jodha is not accepting child . Or his sister did crime giving jodha begum Ark.
i think jalal shattered internally deep. Maybee now his mind read sukanya marriage sharrif hand sure misleading .sukanya father in law.but when person sees he cheated by own close realtives Blank comes in inner .person not understands whom he trusts or whoim he not. jalal heart+mind confuse his little sister did this crime.
But as a king he have to take decision but he leaved ,this decision to jodha.(is his mind this is maybee jodha will not liked his decision,again big gap will come in their relation , is he was thinking, after coming in Agra Jodha faced a lot, first, Ruk miscarriage point, So he leaved this decesion to Jodha.Again injustice will not happan, By Him.
(means he knows cause of Agra politics, Jodha faced a lot, Because his words to Maham next scene Humm jodha begum koo Rusva nahi hine denge, ;;;;;;;;he seen deeply what effects came past, coming, or will come future..
(Jodha after listening BB, cleared,;;;;;;;;;Sharrif plotting saving own, Jodha knows Sharrif Sukanya track,
So jodha cleard, BB what did in Amer, same did, now in Agra, things were different, or same will she do again, Jodha knows this.
(But she understood, When jalal leaved decesion to her, Ques is not We will like her deceion yes or not, So jodha choosed that which will change internally BB
Ques is Jodha mind seen, its a family Matter, or in Family all type of creation happans, This is one of them,;;;;;;;;;or Jalal leaving this on Her, or jalal mostly manage all things properly, but this is breaking him internally,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;if hard punishment jodha gives, then pain of jalal will more increase, but he will not say nothing,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;or jodha not wants to see jalal in pain. Acc to her, he already beard, lot, because own jodha not leave chance, or spoke many harsh words,;;;;;;;;;so jodha point of view punishment is over,;;;;;;;;;;;;;or Sharrif used BB, So she no problem if Sharrif gets punishment.
(or BB punishment She did right, acc to her knowledge,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;now she Will be faiathful, Nearest, To realtives,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But BB not realized this,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Who own realise mistakes feels other will also realize, ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But this not happens,;;;;;;;Sad but Hota hee, Ruk +BB both same. Means again jodha give Chance to BB improve own,
But As King he gave BB Right +tight punishment, But he was feeling internally broken King, which feeling ashameful cause of own realtives cheap creations.
He Leaves DEK, very senstive Mood, first he Own, Emotional level, second Jodha justice leaved a Deep ques in his inner,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;After too much tolring How can person Forgive Other, So first time he saw this Suppose Ruk Hoti, Is she Forgive BB No.
So New thinking of Jodha surprising Jalal, because he did punishement To BB, but Some reamains, Which he want to know, so He will sure go Jodha hozara. Jodha thinking own style Jalal gave Harsh punishment to BB,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Good person quality, she or He can't see other pain
Moti Happy, Because in Haram now all is cool. All seen Ruk tough decesions Now Change coming in Haram.
Naturally Jalal mind will think Why jodha did this?
But Jodha try to clear, You feel which Happy , If BB got punishement or Forgiven, ;;;;;;So Jodha read jalal Heart,;;;;;;;;;;;;or forgiven BB,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;means she wants Jalal happiness, ;;;;;;;;;so feeling developing,;;;;;or its indication, progress from jodha side. which person she not wants to see single eye, now she thinking for what he wants,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;or she doing that,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;its Love, which both not knows. Jodha talks Or listening Jalal, both thinking for eachother. Happiness or relax.
Today episode full of Both thinking for eachother.
Jalal Knows how much damage Happening, cause of this incidence, outer +inner in place, now place situations cool, need to blance outer . Or Maham read again , Jalal feelings increasing for Jodha. But she can't do nothing, means for stopping.
But Speech stoled episode. Liked jalal words Humm jodha begum koo Rusava Nahi hone denge, Means how much he respects, Jodha Dignity, he put full efforts to convey, all Awam, No Varis is coming,
But which was emotional, Awam also like a children for King. Jodha eyes tears,;;;;;;;;;;;;So jodha seeing human is waking in this person, or he speaks Lie No heart, He have Heart, or humanity also alive this person, Who is her Hubby,;;;;;;;;;;so jodha Be happy now.
Song from movie Guide
Tere mere sapne abb ek Rang heeho jaha bhi le jaye raahe,ham sang hainho tere mere sapne abb ek rang hain
ho jaha bhi le jaye raahe, ham sang hain
mere tere dil ka, tay tha ek din milna
jaise bahar aane par, tay hain phul ka khilna
mere tere dil ka, tay tha ek din milna
jaise bahar aane par, tay hain phul ka khilna
o mere jivan sathi
tere mere sapne abb ek rang hain
ho jaha bhi le jaye raahe, ham sang hain
tere dukh abb mere, mere sukh abb tere
tere yeh do naina, chand aur suraj mere
tere dukh abb mere, mere sukh abb tere
tere yeh do naina, chand aur suraj mere
o mere jivan sathi
tere mere sapne abb ek rang hain
ho jaha bhi le jaye raahe, ham sang hain
lakh mana le duniya, saath na yeh chhutega
aa ke mere hatho me, haath na yeh chhutega
lakh mana le duniya, saath na yeh chhutega
aa ke mere hatho me, haath na yeh chhutega
o mere jivan sathi
tere mere sapne abb ek rang hain
ho jaha bhi le jaye raahe, ham sang hain
ho tere mere sapne abb ek rang hain
Originally posted by: RamSiyaRam
Nice detailed update Harshu😳.Just sharing the views.HB telling that she understands this is tough for Jalal to give punishment to his own sister but point is did his sister think for the brother? NO, she was selfish and blinded. Jalal carefully shares about Jodha not being pregnant and mercifully does not tell he didnt touch her😆😆😆Jalal leaves the punishment for Jodha to decide and she says she forgives her and wants her to live with the family as their own. Thereby inculcating a reformist thought. This is fair enough as Bakshi is sister so point taken. Jalal hurt and dejected since his sister did that breaks his relation with her. Point taken, he is deeply hurt.BTW why didnt Jalal reveal in DEK that Sharif was the master plotter? 😆 He should have been declared as baaghi!😛Jodha's honor is restored as the same begums and bandis are appreciating her decision in harem who used to gossip earlier.Now comes the scene where Jalal is asking ques to Jodha😆😆. The whole scene is good performance wise. He wants to know why she forgave Bakshi. This is new for Jalal as he hasnt seen mercy till now. Jodha asks him what he would he have preferred to do ; to punish or to forgive? Jalal is in dilemma and tells her thats not answering but ques. Jodha tells him sometimes its not appropriate to give pain for pain, and one can forgive. Jodha adds on that she had talk with Bakshi and she realised that Bakshi did all this for love for her husband and at times love makes one to things which are not right. She infact feels jealous too that Bakshi can love someone so blindly that she crosses the line between right and wrong. As Bakshi did it for Sharif hence she is victim😒 hence the actual culprit is Sharif. Bakshi got her punishment as she did it for Sharif who isnt there to support her and she hurt her brother too. Now it was acceptable till Jodha said that for Jalal's peace and relationship, it made sense to forgive Bakshi but making her victim and blaming Sharif alone is wrong. This is twisted logic of CVs, do they ever THINK?😒 What Bakshi did hurt Jalal but was life threatening for Jodha, for all she could have been killed. Hence this realisation should have been brought out in Bakshi. Jodha forgiving can be taken as her regard for Shehenshah & building up of her relationship.Jalal saying he doesnt have heart😉 or perhaps he was angry Jodha was made the victim. BTW the CVs never revealed why Sharif did it😛. On breaking off relations with Bakshi, Jodha tells Jalal that their relationship of hatred and revenge survived and his was a blood relationship with Bakshi so it runs deeper. Seeing Jalal's tears, Jodha tells him that he feels hurt as proven his tears and at this Jalal leaves. Jodha then remakrs that Jalal lies he does not have a heart since his tears proved he does have one. Yeap Jodha and you will get that😉😆Hamida action to stop the news now does not make sense as this should have been done before, now Jodha is proved innocent and Bakshi revealed as culprit so it does not make sense. As regards the awaam, such talks die their natural death with time. Jalal wanting to shield Jodha from the gossip talk was a good decision, Jodha with her kindness already won his support😉😆😆Jalal's address to awaam was emotional and good, here he already says he rules over their hearts too but in later epi, its shown he just wanted to rule over them😆😆. When Jalal is giving is speech, Jodha expressions are good, she is sympathizing and feeling for him. The beginning of their journey together😳
Interesting analysis. You bring out two points in Jodha's defense for her no punishment stance-
1 This is a family matter and a punishment will bring things in the open.
2 Severe punishment to Bakshi will increase Jalal's pain.
I don't agree, I don't believe she is doing any kindness to Bakshi by this action. Had Bakshi really been punished she would have understood the grave crime she committed. Now nothing will happen till the time she realizes that her husband is a monster and does not love her.
Well, another fine song to end it. A classic song.
Originally posted by: RamSiyaRam
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</font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Nicedetailedupdate Harshu😳.</font><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#990000">Just sharing the views.</font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">HB telling that she understands this is tough for Jalal to give punishment to his own sister but point is did his sister think for the brother? NO, she was selfish and blinded. Jalal carefully shares about Jodha not being pregnant and mercifully does not tell he didnt touch her😆😆😆</font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Jalal leaves the punishment for Jodha to decide and she says she forgives her and wants her to live with the family as their own. Thereby inculcating a reformist thought.This is fair enough as Bakshi is sister so point taken. Jalal hurt and dejected since his sister did that breaks his relation with her. Point taken, he is deeply hurt.</font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">BTW why didnt Jalal reveal in DEK that Sharif was the master plotter?😆He should have been declared as baaghi!😛</font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Jodha's honor is restored as the same begums and bandis are appreciating her decision in harem who used to gossip earlier.</font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Now comes the scene where Jalal is asking ques to Jodha😆😆. The whole scene is good performance wise. He wants to know why she forgave Bakshi. This is new for Jalal as he hasnt seen mercy till now. Jodha asks him what he would he have preferred to do ; to punish or to forgive? Jalal is in dilemma and tells her thats not answering but ques. Jodha tells him sometimes its not appropriate to give pain for pain, and one can forgive. Jodha adds on that she had talk with Bakshi and she realised that Bakshi did all this for love for her husband and at times love makes one to things which are not right. She infact feels jealous too that Bakshi can love someone so blindly that she crosses the line between right and wrong. As Bakshi did it for Sharif hence she is victim😒hence the actual culprit is Sharif. Bakshi got her punishment as she did it for Sharif who isnt there to support her and she hurt her brother too. Now it was acceptable till Jodha said that for Jalal's peace and relationship, it made sense to forgive Bakshi but making her victim and blaming Sharif alone is wrong. This is twisted logic of CVs, do they ever THINK?😒What Bakshi did hurt Jalal but was life threatening for Jodha, for all she could have been killed. Hence this realisation should have been brought out in Bakshi. Jodha forgiving can be taken as her regard for Shehenshah & building up of her relationship.</font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Jalal saying he doesnt have heart😉or perhaps he was angry Jodha was made the victim. BTW the CVs never revealed why Sharif did it😛. On breaking off relations with Bakshi, Jodha tells Jalal that their relationship of hatred and revenge survived and his was a blood relationship with Bakshi so it runs deeper. Seeing Jalal's tears, Jodha tells him that he feels hurt as proven his tears and at this Jalal leaves. Jodha then remakrs that Jalal lies he does not have a heart since his tears proved he does have one. Yeap Jodha and you will get that😉😆</font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Hamida action to stop the news now does not make sense as this should have been done before, now Jodha is proved innocent and Bakshi revealed as culprit so it does not make sense. As regards the awaam, such talks die their natural death with time. Jalal wanting to shield Jodha from the gossip talk was a good decision, Jodha with her kindness already won his support😉😆😆</font><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Jalal's address to awaam was emotional and good, here he already says he rules over their hearts too but in later epi, its shown he just wanted to rule over them😆😆. When Jalal is giving is speech, Jodha expressions are good, she is sympathizing and feeling for him. The beginning of their journey together😳</font>
<font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">Thanks Harshu for the wonderful update.</font>
<font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">Finally the pregnancy track is over. As I said earlier the end of this track is
what made it interesting.</font><font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">That is the trust factor between Jodha and Jalal became
more solidified.</font><font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">Then we have the intimacy level also changed on both
sides where Jalal is more advance than Jodha.</font><font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">As for Jodha's punishment it was not that Jodha wants
Bakshi to go scot free but the conversation she had with Salima had an effect
on Jodha's decision...Salima told Jodha it was only Jalal who can save Bakshi...
then Jalal tured around and gave the right to punish Bakshi to Jodha.
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<font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">It was not Jodha's fault too that Bakshi did not show how remorseful she was before DEK nor her fault for Jalal to have such backstabbing relatives. In fact it was this same sister of his who lied fully in front of him and pointed figure at Jodha being a liar on behalf of her husband so there is nothing new and it shouldn't be so for Jalal as he knows his family well.
</font><font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">Now from my perspective Jalal by now knows that Jodha is
a kindhearted woman and therefore he expected punishment from Jodha that was
less severe for his sister but he had no idea Jodha is capable of going to the
extent of forgiving Bakshi so she would live in regret all her life with stigma in
the harem. (that alone is shameful enough for the King's sister if you ask me).</font><font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">So it was Jalal who was not able to totally forgive his
sister for hurting and defaming his Jodha hence he added his own punishment.</font><font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">Jalal coming back to Jodha for her reason for taken such decision
was only to reprimand her for putting
him in a tight corner where he has to add his own punishment which he wanted to
avoid (had Jodha being heartless and given a serve punishment to met his criteria I doubt he would have add
his) telling Jodha as a King he doesn't allow relation to affect his judgment then
he should have gone ahead and given the punishment outright but the brother in
him could not let him do so and that was what Jodha pointed out and it brought
tears into his eyes.</font><font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">The way I see it Jalal did
something for Jodha and she in return saw this as an opportunity to do
something for him and that was saving his sister from further humiliation brought
upon herself by her own doing, because of her husband and been her sister in law this affect Jodha too she protected her before even when she lied against her.</font><font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">The CVs always left tracks
hanging but they could have follow up on how Bakshi felt guilty and how she
face taunts in the harem and lead to regret and repent of her deeds but they
made her worse by showing her being jealous of Jodha and telling off her
brother when he wanted to protect her. </font><font color="#0000FF" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">Well we who watched to the
very end know that was their expertise... </font>