Jodha Akbar 34-36: Shaahi Shaadi - Page 12

Originally posted by: adiana12

Shyamala, since Harka Bai was supposed to be intelligent and most probably may not have had any OTT hatred for Akbar ala EK ishtyle (must have been the AG one in most probability) I doubt she would have ever placed any 'maangein' or 'sharts'. Maangein denotes subservience which I don't think she was and Shart denotes lack of intelligence and that she had aplenty. So what could have really happened????

I personally think she may have requested for the meeting with the Emperor and put across a gentle question - of what would a person need the most when he takes a path that is very difficult to walk and what would he need to hold on to in situations that he never would have never faced in a normal course nor would he have ever thought he would face.

Akbar himself was a extremely intelligent man, very astute and a fabulous judge of people with excellent understanding of human psychology and based on such gentle question would have had the wisdom to know what it would mean to give his first Hindu wife the freedom to keep her faith and her belief in tact not only to their relationship but to the building of his dream of a composite Hindustan under a single banner of the Mughals.

Such a thought provoking question seems more plausible. Women in general have the ability to bring the micro narrative to the fore where men look at meta narratives.

Originally posted by: devkidmd

LOL! We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Sandhya. For me it was more a combination of love for the Motherland and youthful idealism. Of course she almost put everything in jeopardy by her behaviour.

Love for motherland and youthful idealism - yes. But where was the proof? When the time came for the sacrifice, personal feelings became paramount. When you are prone to knee-jerk reactions and unbridled feelings then all those high sounding words begin to seem hollow.

You have probably guessed it by now, that I cut Jodha a lot of slack. I don't know, I just find her adorable except in a few tracks later on. But I don't to get super upset if others criticise her, so have at it.😉 I was really interested in reading your views but you never "unresed" your "res"🤔

I found her very adorable the first time around too inspite of her little bhaashans here and there. 😳 All through the first 100 episodes. But when there was an overdose of these bhaashans and 'I-am-never-wrong' words later, I became sceptical.😕

Yes. Lost my long reply the first time I posted, and kept pro-crastinating re-replying.

Originally posted by: adiana12

Shyamala, since Harka Bai was supposed to be intelligent and most probably may not have had any OTT hatred for Akbar ala EK ishtyle (must have been the AG one in most probability) I doubt she would have ever placed any 'maangein' or 'sharts'. Maangein denotes subservience which I don't think she was and Shart denotes lack of intelligence and that she had aplenty. So what could have really happened????

I personally think she may have requested for the meeting with the Emperor and put across a gentle question - of what would a person need the most when he takes a path that is very difficult to walk and what would he need to hold on to in situations that he never would have never faced in a normal course nor would he have ever thought he would face.

Akbar himself was a extremely intelligent man, very astute and a fabulous judge of people with excellent understanding of human psychology and based on such gentle question would have had the wisdom to know what it would mean to give his first Hindu wife the freedom to keep her faith and her belief in tact not only to their relationship but to the building of his dream of a composite Hindustan under a single banner of the Mughals.

Such a thought provoking question seems more plausible. Women in general have the ability to bring the micro narrative to the fore where men look at meta narratives.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Perfect, Adiana. I would vote for your version without any reservations.

Shyamala

PS: You mean mega-narratives as against micro-narratives, do you not?

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Donjas,

Your Holmesian collection and mine are so interesting, and if one were to combine them, what a treasure that would be! The radio recordings must be a real treat. Whose voices did they use for Holmes and for Watson?

I had never heard of the Russian Holmes films. Where can one see them? Presumably they come with sub-titles. I did not like the first Robert Downey Jr. film at all - they had made it look like an Indiana Jones thrill a moment caper - and I skipped the second. As for the Cumberbatch ones, I would rate them so so, but of course that is my opinion, and many seem to like them a lot. At least they are respectful towards the Canon, and do not treat it as something to be reduced to slapstick!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: alffim

HOORAY!!! I flew back and I can now read all your interesting posts!
In our country we are very fond of Sherlock Holmes!Very much! And we filmed a full-length 2-part series, starting with an meeting to Holmes and Watson, "The Sign of Four," "Hound of the Baskervilles", "The Speckled Band" and others.
Our actor Vasily Livanov and director's work, liked not only in Russia. The Queen awarded Vasily Livanov Order of the British Empire for his portrayal of Sherlock Holmes ...
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

Just wanting to clarify some of my points

In 1569 Akbar married Nathi Begum princess of Jaisalmer(i guess cannot remember) same year as Jodha. Nathi begum was the mother of one of his daughters(Mahi or Meeti Begum)

He married Daulat Shad too in same year as Hira

I personally believe Akbar had no love of his life for him marriage was more political and for future heirs. I say that because even as late as age 52-56 Akbar married princess young enough to be his daughters or grand daughters. For someone in love(with Hira or any wife) i do not think that is necessary(no matter what political justification is given)

Regarding Ruqaiah Begum- I never said she was his love at the same time its not how some posts on forum potrayed that Akbar never spoke to her for 7 years etc. Ruqaiah was close to him as he gave his favourite(he had two favs Khusrau whom he groomed for power and Khurram whom he adored as youngest prince) grandson to her and allowed her to bring him up in an orthodox mughal way(without much rajputh influence) this at a time when Jodha Bai had only one living son(Khurram). Like i said earlier i do not believe Akbar loved anyone but he definetly loved Ruqaiah as a cousin sister or childhood playmate to relent and hand over Khurram in her upbringing.

Regarding Salima being his favourite wife- that again is not my saying someone else. I do not think he loved any wife the way we define love, he was a casanova who enjoyed womens company not one woman. In the book emperors writing Drik Collier definetly states that Salima was his love(If you all can read, its a brillant book on Akbars life)

Also regarding Hira Kunwari - its pretty sure she converted to islam as she is buried in muslim ways and also she has a mosque named after her Marium uz zamani mosque. Some historians have also told this in their books(though currently i cannot remember names, interested can search to know more)

I do not want to update more history related stuff as thread will be in danger of closing by mods

Originally posted by: adiana12

I knew you would relate to this and most probably this may have been the way it went - this is transaction analysis at its best and what my father equated with rustic wisdom of our grandmother's - when you want someone to do things your way or something that you want them to do, make it seem it was all their idea - in modern times the best way to get the boss doing what you want and in traditional times the way the wife would get her husband to do what she wants - and in my opinion the way Jodha would have worked her way through - and a smart boss / husband will also know what he's made to do but will never resent as it doesn't hurt his ego - and so every time Jodha would do this I would expect Akbar to be giving her his half smile as he works out a solution to such situations 😉 😃

They are called meta narratives in methodology, and do mean mega narratives or the larger picture.