JA Oct 13|Hussein Under the Damocles' Sword, Updt Abhay P12, Oct14 P11 - Page 26

Originally posted by: history_geek

Yes Tamy, I also felt the same and wrote it. I don't see any Leap. This is just preponing of Chittor War to give an excuse for the horrible slaughter. Seriously, BT has no ethics and no moral responsibility.

@Bold...
Tamy, I am saying that Ekta could have skipped this. In the 1980's show of Doordarshan Akbar the Great, this war was SKIPPED and NOT shown, as the maker of that show had portrayed Akbar as a saint from Day-1. Ekta could have done the same. She could have skipped it.. But she decided to show this in a WRONG manner..

You know, even the historians/researchers who are MOST "active" flatterers of Akbar, skip this WAR in their books, as they can NOT justify or give a reason for this.
When even Akbar's chroniclers could not justify it, then how will these researchers do it. 😳
But you see Ekta Kapoor has her own UNIQUE Style to be followed..👎🏼.

And my comment was about the ETHICS of the PH...




Charu,
I agree with you completely, about the blunder which Ekta has done, and also your assessment. It was horrible experiment. I never thought she can do this much JUST to show an excuse for Chittor. Also, i wrote about the portrayal of Akbar in my Latest Post..114724956 😕




Nabiii, The theories are OK for REEL Jalal, as we are bound to have opinions..😉 It's fine.

But, when one reads the explanation for this Massacre by REAL Jalal, it makes me think that, what it is.?. 🤢
At least one should think for the inhumane treatment meted out there, and NOT just come up with flawed arguments to give an explanation. Akbar's greatness has this BLOT as here he was JUST satisfying his frustration..😳
The irony is that, when even Akbar's chroniclers could NOT give a justification, BUT recently i read some NON Existent justifications by ----. 😉.
And,you know the actual reasons, as you have read that Post on Chittor..😕..



@ALL...Thanks for your views. 😊

Originally posted by: Coolpree

Hi Abhay you are so spot on about the peculiar attempt to justify Akbar's Chittore war.

I won't bother to comment about the Friday episode as you and many others have perfectly summed up how worthless and offensive it was. ...however I am disturbed by some of the careless comments made in the IF by some regular and respected members there.

Akbar is my hero and I do believe he was great and far far ahead of his times...but I find it very hard to reconcile to the Chittore battle which places him among the likes of Ghori and Timur . It was definitely a black spot in an otherwise illustrious life.

Some members have suggested it was his right to wage wars and expand his territories. I will grant them that...BUT it is the aftermath and the complete genocide of civilians especially women that Makes this war so different. After 450 yrs it still brings out strong emotions in people especially of Rajput heritage. We have to be sensitive to to these points of view and tread carefully. For some to suggest that Jodha should have supported her husband for this War as It was her duty as his wife is mind bogglingly insensitive. Some have also suggested that the ameris / Rajputs also waged brutal wars against each other so what's the difference? And that her own relatives were fighting for Jalal so what was her problem. I have to say I find this POV very insensitive. If MUZ was as principled and pious as some have said she was then this Chittore incident must have broken her heart. I cannot imagine she was not repulsed by the these events especially against her very own People. I normally find Reel Jodhas moral posturing and lectures very annoying...BUT Chittore was very different. There is no way she could have supported Jallal when he went out with the professed intention of slaughtering innocents. I apologize for offending anyone but we must be careful when talking about a very sensitive topic

Hi Coolpree

First, i would say i am surprised to find you here. Till now, i used to confuse you with some other member of the forum, while interacting with you there'. Now, i stand corrected. You are welcome to the forum. :)

About Friday's episode, i wrote in my post already, that, none of the dialogues of ANYONE made COMPLETE sense. If anyone made sense, it was MP > Crisp and clear dialogues. Jodha's dialogue should have been more refined and specific . Though, one could understand the essence if wanted to be, it was not tough.

I wrote this in my post on New Thread >>

"Jodha did not come to Man Singh ONLY BECAUSE Udai Singh is a Rajvanshi, but ALSO because she can SEE his anger and the WRATH which Jalal is going to inflict on Chittor. She has seen him turning into uncontrollable BEING.

Precap is an indication of same where she senses something WORSE has happened in Chittor.. Jodha only came here to Man Singh as it was clear Akbar is going to satisfy his thirst for BLOOD at Chittor...!!!!.

"

The party which was under consideration was a Rajvanshi, hence she was saying those words harping on Rajvanshis..+..She asked Bharmal if he will fight a Rajvanshi , which in my opinion was a weak argument BUT she tried Best,her last ditch attempt to stop Jalal as she could sense the BEAST on Jalal's eyes which was going to unleash horror in Chittor..

About why his relatives fought against Udai Singh along with Akbar, here is what I posted > " I can understand where Man Singh and Bharmal come from. They have sworn their loyalty to Jalal and will fight to their last drop of blood for him."

About the rest of your comment, as a friend, i would advice that, just read the thread you find comfortable with. I myself, restrict it to 2-3 threads, where I comment, unless made to read something' via a message. Here we have a phenomena of justifying ALL the acts of Akbar. Till now it was REEL, now it is REAL also as you see Akbar(REAL) is ALWAYS correct, and he can NEVER be wrong, even for the worst genocides. Latest justification is the horrible soul-shaking massacre of Chittor, which I was caught up in some messages after Friday's episode. You can understand, if this can be justified then anything can be justified as well. Don't be surprised if you get a reason for Jallianwala as well, coz British were also expanding their stronghold in India, hence you may hear that, the massacre was right.!!!!.🥱

And you don't need to prove anything. At least I am clear about what Akbar ordered in Chittor, that too "after" WINNING the battle. Not to mention the consequent fate of commoners which included ladies. I won't stoop to the level of explaining the dastardly acts commited thereafter, just to prove my point, along with the Farman which he issued after the conquest, the language of which leaves a BITTER taste about him in my mind. I will post it on the Blog, not here. No doubt he was GREAT, BUT this act was BLACKEST Spot on him..!!!!. Reading from some BOOKS by his flatterers is one thing, and reading ALL his accounts is another..😕

Leave Jodha, his mother did NOT support him. TodarMal and Man S. tried to cool him down, but of no avail. No doubt the Ameri Clan, mediated the peace deal with the Hada Chief of Ranthambore, after the Chittor event.

I respect your sentiment, and I know why Jodha and Akbar(BOTH), so uniquely matter to you, perhaps that may not be the case for anyone of us here. I end now, and say just read what you are fine with. You will feel better. Otherwise the Blog is always open for any discussion, as here we can NOT have history discussions on topics unrelated to the show Jodha Akbar..😊

For me it's sensitive, i have many friends from Rajasthan itself, and made a single post aiming at the CV's of Jodha Akbar, to respect some events and not play with it..🥱

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi Coolpree

First, i would say i am surprised to find you here. Till now, i used to confuse you with some other member of the forum, while interacting with you there'. Now, i stand corrected. You are welcome to the forum. :)

About Friday's episode, i wrote in my post already, that, none of the dialogues of ANYONE made COMPLETE sense. If anyone made sense, it was MP > Crisp and clear dialogues. Jodha's dialogue should have been more refined and specific . Though, one could understand the essence if wanted to be, it was not tough.

I wrote this in my post on New Thread >>

"Jodha did not come to Man Singh ONLY BECAUSE Udai Singh is a Rajvanshi, but ALSO because she can SEE his anger and the WRATH which Jalal is going to inflict on Chittor. She has seen him turning into uncontrollable BEING.

Precap is an indication of same where she senses something WORSE has happened in Chittor.. Jodha only came here to Man Singh as it was clear Akbar is going to satisfy his thirst for BLOOD at Chittor...!!!!.

"

The party which was under consideration was a Rajvanshi, hence she was saying those words harping on Rajvanshis..+..She asked Bharmal if he will fight a Rajvanshi , which in my opinion was a weak argument BUT she tried Best,her last ditch attempt to stop Jalal as she could sense the BEAST on Jalal's eyes which was going to unleash horror in Chittor..

About why his relatives fought against Udai Singh along with Akbar, here is what I posted > " I can understand where Man Singh and Bharmal come from. They have sworn their loyalty to Jalal and will fight to their last drop of blood for him."

About the rest of your comment, as a friend, i would advice that, just read the thread you find comfortable with. I myself, restrict it to 2-3 threads, where I comment, unless made to read something' via a message. Here we have a phenomena of justifying ALL the acts of Akbar. Till now it was REEL, now it is REAL also as you see Akbar(REAL) is ALWAYS correct, and he can NEVER be wrong, even for the worst genocides. Latest justification is the horrible soul-shaking massacre of Chittor, which I was caught up in some messages after Friday's episode. You can understand, if this can be justified then anything can be justified as well. Don't be surprised if you get a reason for Jallianwala as well, coz British were also expanding their stronghold in India, hence you may hear that, the massacre was right.!!!!.🥱

And you don't need to prove anything. At least I am clear about what Akbar ordered in Chittor, that too "after" WINNING the battle. Not to mention the consequent fate of commoners which included ladies. I won't stoop to the level of explaining the dastardly acts commited thereafter, just to prove my point, along with the Farman which he issued after the conquest, the language of which leaves a BITTER taste about him in my mind. I will post it on the Blog, not here. No doubt he was GREAT, BUT this act was BLACKEST Spot on him..!!!!. Reading from some BOOKS by his flatterers is one thing, and reading ALL his accounts is another..😕

Leave Jodha, his mother did NOT support him. TodarMal and Man S. tried to cool him down, but of no avail. No doubt the Ameri Clan, mediated the peace deal with the Hada Chief of Ranthambore, after the Chittor event.

I respect your sentiment, and I know why Jodha and Akbar(BOTH), so uniquely matter to you, perhaps that may not be the case for anyone of us here. I end now, and say just read what you are fine with. You will feel better. Otherwise the Blog is always open for any discussion, as here we can NOT have history discussions on topics unrelated to the show Jodha Akbar..😊

For me it's sensitive, i have many friends from Rajasthan itself, and made a single post aiming at the CV's of Jodha Akbar, to respect some events and not play with it..🥱

Hi abhay and guys. I honestly donot know what to call the absolute insanity that has been shown. Jalal has been turned into a screaming lunatic just for the sake of justifying the war. Why in the world did she have to show it in the fIrst place? Now in the war he will have a kalinga moment like Ashoka and then realise that jodha was right. Then we get weeping jalal who will cry buckets in front of jodha. He has never stood for jodha. I agree that jodha is broken totally that she lost her kids and her love. What did jalal do, conveniently put the blame on her like a coward? Jodha has good by him through all times and jalal as per his convenience accuses her whenever and however he likes. Even lets people like ruks to do so. Jodha at this point thinks that he is blaming her. But he is considering their love to be the cause of the death of the twins. His behaviour is so weird that forget jodha, even we can't get what is in his mind. Jodha did the perfect thing by trying to stop him as this would ruin his reputation forever. He will realise this after he regains his senses. What is the point of doing the mistake over and over again and then repenting?

After watching Thursday and Fridays episodes I was drained emotionally and have started ti slowly wean out of JA. If not like Pallavi said, we will will end up sick with the current track.

More than Jalal's blame to Jodha, what mattered the most to me was his intention for going to the war and him challenging God. I say to myself he blamed JO for HH death because of his own guilt, sadness and frustration. Jodha being his wife and who understands him will take this also Positively. We could see this on Friday episode , this shows she has learned to move on in spite of all the accusations and blame and the tragedy of twins death that shattered her. I admire and respect this quality of Jodha. This is exactly why she rose to where she was in Akbars life. Not evryone can be like her. She was shattered and torn to pieces but chose to build herself up from where was broken. Here I am very proud of her and do not want to sympathize with what she had gone through as it will not do justice to her.

I never wanted CVS to show chitoor war as it is heartbreaking to go through what happened in Chitoor. This indeed is one of the biggest mistakes done by Akbar and I can never support him on this one. But to show this war as if he was going on a revenge mode against God as his twins were taken by God was depressing.

Jodha , supported MS in a war earlier as there was a reason. Here she was against it because one of the reasons Akbar gave her was if God can take his innocent children, why cant he do the same. I was actually happy to see Jodha worrying for the Rajputs. Why should she not worry. Just because she is married to Akbar, she just has to stand by him and dance to his tunes and forget all about where she came from and her Clan. I can never do this so I was happy to see her also caring for her clan just as she was worried for Jalal.

When all agrawasis including HB, SB, GB, BB, was gloomy, Ruks was the proud wife , watching her husband challenging God and supporting him. Akbar indeed was a complexed personality and lately I was thinking about all the people who worked for him sincerely, how much they had to sacrifice. we need to applaud those who worked with him as they are also one of the reasons behind his success.

Coming to JA back. right now this is how I see. I feel Jodha's love for Jalal is more matured and she is very much committed to her marriage and Jalal needs to get there.

I am curious to see how on earth are they going to Revive this track...I hope and Pray they don't show JO to be pregnant.

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

After watching Thursday and Fridays episodes I was drained emotionally and have started ti slowly wean out of JA. If not like Pallavi said, we will will end up sick with the current track.

More than Jalal's blame to Jodha, what mattered the most to me was his intention for going to the war and him challenging God. I say to myself he blamed JO for HH death because of his own guilt, sadness and frustration. Jodha being his wife and who understands him will take this also Positively. We could see this on Friday episode , this shows she has learned to move on in spite of all the accusations and blame and the tragedy of twins death that shattered her. I admire and respect this quality of Jodha. This is exactly why she rose to where she was in Akbars life. Not evryone can be like her. She was shattered and torn to pieces but chose to build herself up from where was broken. Here I am very proud of her and do not want to sympathize with what she had gone through as it will not do justice to her.

I never wanted CVS to show chitoor war as it is heartbreaking to go through what happened in Chitoor. This indeed is one of the biggest mistakes done by Akbar and I can never support him on this one. But to show this war as if he was going on a revenge mode against God as his twins were taken by God was depressing.

Jodha , supported MS in a war earlier as there was a reason. Here she was against it because one of the reasons Akbar gave her was if God can take his innocent children, why cant he do the same. I was actually happy to see Jodha worrying for the Rajputs. Why should she not worry. Just because she is married to Akbar, she just has to stand by him and dance to his tunes and forget all about where she came from and her Clan. I can never do this so I was happy to see her also caring for her clan just as she was worried for Jalal.

When all agrawasis including HB, SB, GB, BB, was gloomy, Ruks was the proud wife , watching her husband challenging God and supporting him. Akbar indeed was a complexed personality and lately I was thinking about all the people who worked for him sincerely, how much they had to sacrifice. we need to applaud those who worked with him as they are also one of the reasons behind his success.

Coming to JA back. right now this is how I see. I feel Jodha's love for Jalal is more matured and she is very much committed to her marriage and Jalal needs to get there.

I am curious to see how on earth are they going to Revive this track...I hope and Pray they don't show JO to be pregnant.

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

After watching Thursday and Fridays episodes I was drained emotionally and have started ti slowly wean out of JA. If not like Pallavi said, we will will end up sick with the current track.

More than Jalal's blame to Jodha, what mattered the most to me was his intention for going to the war and him challenging God. I say to myself he blamed JO for HH death because of his own guilt, sadness and frustration. Jodha being his wife and who understands him will take this also Positively. We could see this on Friday episode , this shows she has learned to move on in spite of all the accusations and blame and the tragedy of twins death that shattered her. I admire and respect this quality of Jodha. This is exactly why she rose to where she was in Akbars life. Not evryone can be like her. She was shattered and torn to pieces but chose to build herself up from where was broken. Here I am very proud of her and do not want to sympathize with what she had gone through as it will not do justice to her.

I never wanted CVS to show chitoor war as it is heartbreaking to go through what happened in Chitoor. This indeed is one of the biggest mistakes done by Akbar and I can never support him on this one. But to show this war as if he was going on a revenge mode against God as his twins were taken by God was depressing.

Jodha , supported MS in a war earlier as there was a reason. Here she was against it because one of the reasons Akbar gave her was if God can take his innocent children, why cant he do the same. I was actually happy to see Jodha worrying for the Rajputs. Why should she not worry. Just because she is married to Akbar, she just has to stand by him and dance to his tunes and forget all about where she came from and her Clan. I can never do this so I was happy to see her also caring for her clan just as she was worried for Jalal.

When all agrawasis including HB, SB, GB, BB, was gloomy, Ruks was the proud wife , watching her husband challenging God and supporting him. Akbar indeed was a complexed personality and lately I was thinking about all the people who worked for him sincerely, how much they had to sacrifice. we need to applaud those who worked with him as they are also one of the reasons behind his success.

Coming to JA back. right now this is how I see. I feel Jodha's love for Jalal is more matured and she is very much committed to her marriage and Jalal needs to get there.

I am curious to see how on earth are they going to Revive this track...I hope and Pray they don't show JO to be pregnant.

Originally posted by: angie321

Hi Abhay!! Hi Radhika!! I am a silent member and absolutely love your posts😊 Very meaningful and very logically written!!Sorry for butting in in your conversation.

I agree with everything you have said.I love reel Akbar of the show.I also love the fact that he is a broad minded husband who would be responsible in causing a stupendous growth and rise of Jodha from a young Rajput princess to a very politically powerful Mughal begum sometime in future in the show. How many queens of that time were helped by their kings to achieve such substantial political growth after marriage? Surely he respected and considered his wives worthy enough.Indeed far ahead of his times.I also love the reforms that he has done in the show. But I can never consider Chittor massacre even remotely justifiable.Also the reasons shown in the episode were pathetic to my taste. I had always wondered about how Jodha would react to it.I'm glad that she is did not approve of it.Her reasons were valid according to me. And no Abhay, Jallianwala bagh incident might not be justified in this forum. Maybe if Jalal had ordered that, it would have been justified!!

Hi Angie,
No need for apologies, buddy. You are most welcome to share your thoughts whenever you wish. 😊 Chittor's event is something, whose barbarism can not be put in words, forget explanation or defense. I wish Ekta should have stayed away from it, as portraying it on TV needs GUTS, and that is NOT possible to be shown especially in a show where Akbar is a hero.. I am in agreement with your views... Esp. Your last sentence is spot on..!!!!.

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu

Good morning Sindhu .

Beautifully and honestly written . ...😊

Every aspect of the portrayal of the Chittor war by the Creatives is completely and totally wrong .

Ofcourse Rukaiya was happy to see this version of Jalal . She was seeing an extension of her own personality .

As a wife and life partner, Jodha has never ever misguided Jalal or supported him in any wrong decision that he has made .In the instance of the Chittor war also she continued to do the same thing .She has always wanted to see his positive growth as a human being . She has already sensed that if he goes to war in his current state of mind , it will cause him more emotional damage later .She tried to stop him with HIS best intentions in mind. I totally agree with you in matter .

And yes, like you so correctly pointed out , what is wrong in supporting the Rajvanshis ? Just because she married into a Mughal family does not mean that she should forget her roots and allow her husband to massacre hundreds of innocent Rajvanshis.

Jodha should definitely NOT be shown as pregnant . Once he realizes the futility of his brutality he will realize why Jodha did not want him to go to war .Here also I have no high hopes with how the 'realization' will be shown . Really really disappointed with the progress of the serial .

Charu .

Charu,Sindhu Beautifully written.Loved your post.But whatever we lament about this cvs are not seemed to be changing and gradually from ruq preg track the quality of the track have come down drastically and this has now become the worst of all. They could never justify chitoor and by trying to do that they had killed the essence of what they painstakingly built in 350 episodes. .It could have been atleast tolerable if they had tried showing jo and jalal have become so numb and drifted apart and jo just stayed shut in her room .thereby they could have also shown jo is unaware and instead of showing jalal as this could have said he went onto wars and could have finished with that . They are saying the new tagline is saying jo as pregnant. I don't know what to think of anymore.. could they even stoop to this level and what kind of a reconciliation it would be? I atleast expected them to show jo or jalal to be hurt .. but this is unbelievable and when i think they couldn't get even worse (todarmal,atifa ,now this track) they keep on surprising that things could be even made worser.Sorry for venting guys ,but extremely disappointed to see the state of the once loved serial.May be like you said sindhu it is good to wean out.