JA Oct 13|Hussein Under the Damocles' Sword, Updt Abhay P12, Oct14 P11 - Page 11

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Posted: 11 years ago

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There is a Bangla proverb that when masi(another any lady) shows much affection than real mother its called Crocodile tears(in bengali: ma er thaikai jakhon masi er darod basi hoyi takhon takai bola maya kanna) n Crocodile tears always ppl see in crooked eyes! Paar ek agra pagal khana jaha pai ruq's crocodile is always remained out of everyone's crooked eyes! She screemed,screeched,sordidly accussed on real mother of HH that she murdered ruq's son( world worst nasty joke) but nobody had gut to raise finger on her that one n only for her cheap insistance zeenat was appointed for H's dai ma so today this terrible situation had been occurred. I perplex to know abt precap that yet ruq is showing peacefully such arrogance, audacity. Without any kind of evidence of her any hidden blunder ruq should b accussed for HH's demise. If yet Jalal doesn't shut ruq's exaggeration audacity,doesn't raise finger on ruq's stubborness for keeping zeenat then it wl b his failure as husband of jo not able giving justice to jodha punishing to that lady who barbarously has made false conviction against jo, as father of HH not able to punish every person who is directly behind their demise.
Nice post Radhika. At present i m worried abt JJ's upcoming relationship.


Nabiii

Thanks!

I muted Ruq but still I could feel her venomous anger against Jodha. I was quite upset to see Jodha being battered by Fate on one side and Ruq on the other.

First, Jodha lost both babies - one to Ruq and the other passed away. Thankfully she got to spend time with Hussein before he passed away. Just as she was beginning to heal from Hasan's demise, she had to go through the pain of loss, as the second child too was snapped by death. As if this was not enough, she had to bear the brunt of Ruq's accusations and insults.

True the royal ladies rushed to her first to console her. But they remained mute spectators to the drama that unfolded. I can relate to their silence because the elders in my family would remain in dignified silence too, if someone was going overboard in throwing a tantrum. But it still doesn't reduce my irritation with them, especially Hamida Bano. She should have asked Ruq to control herself, as Jodha too was suffering the loss, may be much more than Ruq. Hamida should have firmly told Ruq that Jodha was the natural mother and she would never harm her kids. One cannot reason with a deranged woman but that doesn't mean that one doesn't even try.

Bharmal's position is awkward and as the father of the accused daughter-in-law of the house, he can hardly be expected to say anything.

I know Jalal is in a tough spot. He is also going through the pain of loss of much-awaited babies. I sympathize with him and can understand how much he must have been shocked, anguished and felt guilt-ridden (not just for spending the night with Jodha but for failing to protect his babies from conspiracy) to become numb and freeze.

Yet, as the scene was playing in front of my eyes, I will admit, I was irritated by his NOT coming to Jodha's aid and asking Ruq to hold her tongue. Many may not agree with me. But tough times call for tough people. It was a moment for Jalal to be tough and control Ruq.

After all, can Jodha or any woman in her place admit publicly she had gone to spend time with her husband? Just a word from Jalal that Jodha was with him would have made a difference.

Tomorrow Jalal may capture and punish the accused. He may turn into a jallad again and go to fight wars and expand his kingdom, thus diverting his mind. Ruq may go back to her world for future scheming. But who will pick up the broken pieces that Jodha is today? Who will help her heal from not only the loss of her new born twins, her first born babies but also from the vitriolic accusations leveled at her?

Tomorrow Jalal may support her and take her with him everywhere. But if I were in Jodha's place, I would never be able to forget that First Moment when the world shattered around me and I was struggling to accept my child had died and hear accusations that I had killed my baby out of jealousy.

I can understand any argument put forth by any one in defense of Jalal, his mother, even Ruqaiyya as an aggrieved "mother". But I still cannot accept what Jodha went through last night.

She, who had made the supreme sacrifice of her first born child so that another woman could feel the joys of motherhood, is today labeled a jealous woman who can "eat" her own child. This is witch hunting at its worst. Even the witch hunters of medieval Europe may not have been so cruel. She was surrounded by "FAMILY", none of whom came to her defense. What worse humiliation can there be for a woman?

I have said this before and I repeat again - If Jalal cannot support Jodha when she NEEDS his support, all his platitudes, his support in private, his delayed reactions against those who hurt her are meaningless.

If it could enter his mind that Hussein had been poisoned, it should have entered his head that his innocent wife was being abused heinously and needed him. Hussein is dead. Nothing Jalal can do now will bring him back to life. But Jodha is still alive, and she can slip into insanity or the jaws of death, if he doesn't act immediately.

It is all very well to welcome the return of the ruthless king who can punish the conspirators without any compunction. It is all very well to appreciate the beginning of the transformation of Jalal to a spiritual ruler. It is wonderful to see the unspoken love between Jalal and Jodha.

But none of these touched me yesterday. The only haunting image I carry from yesterday's episode is of a lonely Jodha crying for her child, whilst being whipped verbally by a woman she had pitied and shared her child with, as the First Family of Agra stood by and watched.


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Nabiii

Thanks!

I muted Ruq but still I could feel her venomous anger against Jodha. I was quite upset to see Jodha being battered by Fate on one side and Ruq on the other.

First, Jodha lost both babies - one to Ruq and the other passed away. Thankfully she got to spend time with Hussein before he passed away. Just as she was beginning to heal from Hasan's demise, she had to go through the pain of loss, as the second child too was snapped by death. As if this was not enough, she had to bear the brunt of Ruq's accusations and insults.

True the royal ladies rushed to her first to console her. But they remained mute spectators to the drama that unfolded. I can relate to their silence because the elders in my family would remain in dignified silence too, if someone was going overboard in throwing a tantrum. But it still doesn't reduce my irritation with them, especially Hamida Bano. She should have asked Ruq to control herself, as Jodha too was suffering the loss, may be much more than Ruq. Hamida should have firmly told Ruq that Jodha was the natural mother and she would never harm her kids. One cannot reason with a deranged woman but that doesn't mean that one doesn't even try.

Bharmal's position is awkward and as the father of the accused daughter-in-law of the house, he can hardly be expected to say anything.

I know Jalal is in a tough spot. He is also going through the pain of loss of much-awaited babies. I sympathize with him and can understand how much he must have been shocked, anguished and felt guilt-ridden (not just for spending the night with Jodha but for failing to protect his babies from conspiracy) to become numb and freeze.

Yet, as the scene was playing in front of my eyes, I will admit, I was irritated by his NOT coming to Jodha's aid and asking Ruq to hold her tongue. Many may not agree with me. But tough times call for tough people. It was a moment for Jalal to be tough and control Ruq.

After all, can Jodha or any woman in her place admit publicly she had gone to spend time with her husband? Just a word from Jalal that Jodha was with him would have made a difference.

Tomorrow Jalal may capture and punish the accused. He may turn into a jallad again and go to fight wars and expand his kingdom, thus diverting his mind. Ruq may go back to her world for future scheming. But who will pick up the broken pieces that Jodha is today? Who will help her heal from not only the loss of her new born twins, her first born babies but also from the vitriolic accusations leveled at her?

Tomorrow Jalal may support her and take her with him everywhere. But if I were in Jodha's place, I would never be able to forget that First Moment when the world shattered around me and I was struggling to accept my child had died and hear accusations that I had killed my baby out of jealousy.

I can understand any argument put forth by any one in defense of Jalal, his mother, even Ruqaiyya as an aggrieved "mother". But I still cannot accept what Jodha went through last night.

She, who had made the supreme sacrifice of her first born child so that another woman could feel the joys of motherhood, is today labeled a jealous woman who can "eat" her own child. This is witch hunting at its worst. Even the witch hunters of medieval Europe may not have been so cruel. She was surrounded by "FAMILY", none of whom came to her defense. What worse humiliation can there be for a woman?

I have said this before and I repeat again - If Jalal cannot support Jodha when she NEEDS his support, all his platitudes, his support in private, his delayed reactions against those who hurt her are meaningless.

If it could enter his mind that Hussein had been poisoned, it should have entered his head that his innocent wife was being abused heinously and needed him. Hussein is dead. Nothing Jalal can do now will bring him back to life. But Jodha is still alive, and she can slip into insanity or the jaws of death, if he doesn't act immediately.

It is all very well to welcome the return of the ruthless king who can punish the conspirators without any compunction. It is all very well to appreciate the beginning of the transformation of Jalal to a spiritual ruler. It is wonderful to see the unspoken love between Jalal and Jodha.

But none of these touched me yesterday. The only haunting image I carry from yesterday's episode is of a lonely Jodha crying for her child, whilst being whipped verbally by a woman she had pitied and shared her child with, as the First Family of Agra stood by and watched.




Well written Radhika. I can to a certain extent understand why Jalal was quiet. He himself was in shock today. But starting tomorrow if he still keeps quiet to Ruks tantrums then I will be so furious.

The way Ruks spoke to JO , depressed and frustrated me. I was so furious with her. I cried with Jodha seeing her so helpless and being tortured by Ruks. I agree HB could have said something to Ruks..Why is ruks treated like she runs the sultanate and has an upper hand in everything. I just cannot understand this at all.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu


A very well written post by you ( as usual) Radhika . I have become addicted to your , Maddy , Abhay and Mansi's write-ups . I love your style of writing .

Thanks Charu! Besides the ones you have named, I love to read you, Priya (Prav2), Sindhu, Rashmi, Neetz, Purani, Ayushi, Ann, Cleo and Surochita for bringing fresh perspectives and new POVs to the table.

I actually liked today's episode .

Am not sure - because the CVs simply recycled their Humiliate Jodha and Showcase Ruq While Jalal Stands By formula. Which always manages to bug me and overtake any other positive attributes of the episode.

It was a mix of emotions : romance , tragedy , guilt , sorrow , anger , revenge all mixed into one .
Started with a loving Jalal and ended with a shocked , stunned and angry one .

The scene between Jodha and Jalal was so beautiful and tender . It was the most natural aspect in their progression towards healing from the grief of losing their baby , a symbol of their togetherness. This is why we saw them wiping away each other tears . There is no way that Jalal will ever make Jodha feel guilty for being concerned about his well-being and spending intimate moments with him.

Rukaiya was continuing with her obnoxious behavior . I almost misled myself into believing that she is really upset about Hussein's death . Anyone who saw her yelling at Jalal and the already distraught Jodha would think the same too . All her hopes of becoming MUZ have vanished into thin air . Starting tomorrow, we may see her attacking Jodha some more and landing herself into trouble .

I am glad that Jalal will be shown as a 'jallad' again . This change is necessary for him to think with his 'head' while meting punishment to both Zeenat/Mirza and to 'bachapan-e-fiend' Rukaiyya .

He needs to become heartless for the spiritual change to actually happen to both Jodha and him . Both are angry with God for punishing them by taking their babies away . They both will come out of this grief by sharing it . Their love will help them in overcoming the shock , trauma and pain and accepting the reality of their loss . This acceptance will help them in remaking their life and emerging stronger than ever . Thereby starts their spiritual journey together .

As far as the punishment for Rukaiya is concerned ,( even though all of us would love to see her being sent to Kabul in order to keep Mahachuchak company ) , Jalal cannot punish her severely , because he has to maintain royal dignity , after she is his first mughal queen . He may strip her off all her existing titles and power and she will be reduced to a nobody in the mahal . He may also stop communicating with her . Besides this I have no major hopes about her punishment . The rest depends upon the Creatives .


Charu .


Charu,

Thanks for sharing a wonderful post! My views inline in purple.

@bold: Agree - you have captured the essence of the present situation. 👏

@underlined, italicized: I have always maintained this stand only that Jalal will never be able to punish her much. (Pls see Link for my views on this. 😊 )
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu


Superb writeup Abhay .

I completely agree with you about the leap .
You are right . Logically , a leap is not possible .However since we are witnessing a lot of illogical stuff in the name of history , anything is possible .

About Rukaiya , she has definitely done something wrong , which will get revealed via FB .
I am not too sure about the nature of the punishment that she will receive.

I am happy that Jalal has become ruthless again . This was really needed for his own growth , both as a shehenshah/warrior and as a husband .

I too do not foresee any misunderstanding or separation between Jodha and Jalal .( unless the Creatives are bent upon taking the soap opera route ) If a MU is shown , then the very purpose of showing the growing 'silent' understanding between the two them , will be defeated .

I have no hopes from the Creatives . I expect the 'fire' investigation and Zeenat's revelation to happen by Friday and I am positive that Rukaiya's track will stretch for the next ten days at least , until she is finally given the third degree in private , her title of being 'khaas' and BEK , and her control of the harem will be taken way , but her image will be preserved and basically no one other than the immediate family will know of her horrendous deeds .

Charu .


Charu

All your points here are well written and I agree fully. Esp about the future of Ruq. 😆

Charu, Sindhu, and all friends,

Personally I feel it hardly matters if Ruq's MUZ intentions or the swap theory come out now when both babies have expired. Because what she thought and did would no longer matter. The swapping of the babies may have at most changed the order in which the babies died but the truth is that both died. She can not be MUZ now, so that also makes no difference now.

Regarding Ruq keeping Zeenat as the daima for Hussein, she cannot be blamed alone for it now. This decision was taken unanimously by everyone from Jalal to Hamida, Gulbadan Begum, Salima Begum et al. So it's a joint failure, not just Ruq's. Even if she had done zid, the others should have prevailed over her, which they did not. And like I read someone say that even if a daima had been appointed, she should have been kept under observation because Jalal has many enemies and everyone knows that his children may be targeted by anyone, esp after the fire incident.

Ruq's true colors (except perhaps her MUZ ambition) are already known to Jalal. So there is hardly anything new she can reveal to him in a fit of rage.

At most, she may continue her verbal tirade against Jodha and / or physically attack her that may lead to worsening of relations between her and Jalal. Still, she can hardly be "punished". At most, she may be privately censured and her powers clipped. Her public image will not be affected.
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Posted: 11 years ago
abhay, i agree with you even i am fed up of dharmatama image as that won't help in expansion of the empire..his persona needs some balance here!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Charu,

Thanks for sharing a wonderful post! My views inline in purple.

@bold: Agree - you have captured the essence of the present situation. 👏

@underlined, italicized: I have always maintained this stand only that Jalal will never be able to punish her much. (Pls see Link for my views on this. 😊 )


Aptly said Radhika .

I do not have any major hopes from the Creatives , given their love for villains and no logic . I wish some of us can go meet them in person and solve the genuine creativity "crisis" that they are facing . We can assist in making the story line more believable, give all major characters more footage , not treat the vamp like the main lead , get Jalal to REACT while Rukaiya is insolent towards Jodha , give Salima and Hamida substantial dialogues instead of having them hang around in the periphery, not portray Jodha as the most benevolent human , the list is endless .
I am really frustrated at the way in which the plot is unfolding . Seriously my neighbor's pet turtle Franky , moves faster than the plot . I baby-sat Franky over the weekend and found him to be moving around at good speed .😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu


Excellent analysis Priya . Loved your writeup .

I just caught up with today's episode . It left me with mixed feelings .

Jalal and Jodha's love for each other has reached a different level . Even though the Creatives have royally messed up a beautiful royal love story , the only aspect that they seem to have portrayed properly , is the growth in the unspoken love between Jodha and Jalal . Amen or Ameen to that .

'Only people who are capable of lovingly strongly can also suffer great sorrow, but this same necessity of loving ,serves to counteract their grief and heals them '.

The intimacy that we saw today between Jodha and Jalal , is an integral part of the natural process of healing . It was a beautiful scene enacted perfectly by Rajat and Paridhi .

Coming to Rukaiya's reaction . I am sometimes misled into believing that Rukaiya has really developed motherly feelings towards baby Hussein . I then have to knock myself on the head and jog my memory to remember the 'real' reason behind her asking for one of the twins .

Did you notice Jalal's expression when she repeatedly asked Jodha where she was instead of staying beside Hussein and taking care of him ? Not only was she lashing out at the biological mother , she did not spare Jalal either . So intense is her anger , that she is ready to adopt 'the tit for tat' method with Zeenat by trying to harm her baby in revenge . I can understand Rukaiya's anger at being deceived by Zeenat and the pain of losing Hussein , but her intentions behind depriving Jodha off Hussein are not less grievous than Zeenat's offense either .

I love the 'jallad' Jalal . This transformation in him is essential because it will help him take quick action against the offenders , especially Rukaiya . Only if he turns into a 'jallad' again , can his spiritual transformation really take place .

I maintain my view that there will be NO misunderstanding between Jodha and Jalal . They have reached a stage in their lives where each one understands the other, without speaking any words . A mother has lost her second child also , the father will stand by her and share her sorrow , he will not make her feel guilty about leaving baby Hussein in the care of Zeenat , Moti and Zakira and spending 'quality' time with him .

I do not wish to speculate about how the plot will unfold or what Rukaiya's punishment will be . There is no point . The Creatives have their own weird story telling methods . I only wish to see growth in the relationship between Jodha and Jalal .





Charu .



Thanks Charu . An excellent writeup.Loved your post esp lines in bold .Whatever nr they bring in this love between jo and ja has always been beautifully portrayed .Love doesn't needs a language it has its own language and you have beautifully penned it in.
I too think at this time his jallad transformation is natural and i'm too liking it .This jallad is needed to punish his enemies . I'm just quoting krishnas words here as i feel that aptly fits our jalal too
"Sometimes war become necessary to show the world that ahimsa is the greatest Strength.Most of the time ahimsa is misunderstood by people as an act of cowardice and hence such wars become necessary to show the world the power of ahimsa as war could only bring devastation.It could never bring us happiness and even in a victory sorrow and happiness gets mixed and a deep emptiness only will remain".Ashoka understood this,our akbar will also come to that point ,but before that his enemies has to be uprooted to provide a stable kingdom afterwards and establish peace.
On Ruq front i have lost hope of her doing anything and running out of ideas.I just atleast wish now they will reduce her screen space . I"m really sad all the excellent work by Pari and Rajat are not fully appreciated in this track because of all this negativites sorrounding.In this whole track we have got evrything we missed after sr the moments of intimacy,passion ,comfort etc.. but this ruq hogging aroud has dampened all of it.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



well said Charu..

@bold: me too along with yours and Priyas.

I am breaking my head thinking about what Ruks would have done so that she is punished by Jalal. Something has to be there but so far I could not find any clues at all..😭😭

May be screeching tomorrow more, her MUZ intention comes out. If not has she swapped the babies. Or did she have a plan and this is why JO was taken outside Agra to see Hakima..



Charu,Sindhu Loved ur posts. I don't know if we really should believe zee on this ruq exposal .I was confident till yesterday but not much now.I agree with you charu that for a moment i was also confused if jallads reaction was regards to ruq rant, but not sure yet how he is going to confront her ,though i minimum expect this to be shown .Something that is nagging in my mind is way of ruq dealing with zeenats baby , for me personally however zeenat is i couldn't bring it to wish an innocent baby harmed in this.Jalal may have the same view and i wish the child is saved. But this could lead to confrontation.I'm not sure.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



She being angry with Jodha any more cannot happen because she is at fault too. She was the one who wanted Zeenat to be in Jo's hojra 24 hrs. Also this mishap would have happened 3 days before if Jalal did not bring Hussein to JO. Poor baby at least got to spend some time with his real mother.

Second and third theory is very much possible.

@bold: me too me too

I badly want to see the assertive Jodha giving back to Ruks...


Charu I would go with your second ,but honestly now my mind is point blank .I pinned all my hopes on swap but that doesn't looks right . Onto to your first i'm not sure ,i think she has already accepted their intimacy her only need seems to be muz .The confusion for me is charu already war photos have come,Bharmal is still in palace which shows the immediate track would be a war one . The photo of jo looking sadly,ruq was there and if its not a flashback then that means ruq is till there with jo .So what kind of exposure would have happened .If they are going to wrap up this track within this week where would ruq fit in? would they not give a promo for ruq's exposal?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon


totally agree. I also do not mean JO should yell back, but I want JO to be more assertive.


I'm also here with you sindhu.After all this i want an assertive jo . I would also love to see jo accompanying him.I don't want her to be left alone in agra fort with ruq .But my nagging doubt is it may happen and there start sharifs track .May be ruq will help him..But agree my imaginations are running wild and personally couldn't bear another track of ruq.
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