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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: adianasr

Why dont we take it that what CVs are showing is Akbar's resilience inspite of the likes of MA and the tragedies of loosing his children and of even his son's revolt - that Akbar had the ability to withstand the corrupting influence of Absolute Power and find within him Compassion and Empathy.


This is exactly what I just posted on khushi's thread. It was sheer resilience of Jo JA to rise above such statements and be the best they can be. For a curse like akbar will never have a waaris, he had 10 kids from Jo alone...so much so for a curse
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Divs updated post on pg 1 - do read it - it is a totally different perspective
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: adianasr

Divs, this starts from the Tarazu point where Jalal is reevaluating his justice and when he is interrupted twice and both times he responds in fury - thus not Connecting with even Ruqs - this is further reiterated by Ruqs as she says that when I went to him he did not seem to even know who it was - HB is correct to fear for him as the night is on and there is no one near him - now come to the burning scene -

As Jalal sits there he recollects the words of AK, AM and MA - all the three recounting keep talking of each wanting to get the throne - thus for Jalal the Takht has become the Takhta - He is now seeing the Takht not as an object but as an entity that has taken the form of a monster - remember Divs that every coin has 2 sides - and while Jalal has till now been seeing both sides of the coin called Takht - he is acknowledging the Evil side now as having the power to engulf even the Good side - and hence the use of the term Shaitaan - This is the rebellion against the corrupting influence of Absolute Power by Jalal - all his near ones have either died for wanting the throne and thus wanting him dead or have died protecting the throne by protecting him - thus he is no longer being seen by his near ones as a person - he has become the Throne.

Hear his words - he says - all this has happened becoz of you (the Throne) - every time becoz of you, my hands are bloodied by the blood of my own - every time becoz of you my own are up against me - You snatched all my near ones either by corrupting them or by snatching those standing against the corrupt ones - Jalal's rant against the throne is that it snatched away his support - this in effect is Jalal cutting all his old ties, which were tied to the corrupting power of the throne - and the burning of the throne is mainly the burning of the old memories, of emptying himself, of cleansing himself.

I know where you are coming from Divs - but this was not about giving up - this was about not compromising on what he wants - he does not want power at the cost of compassion, he does not want an Empire at the cost of becoming heartless - he does not want to rule at the cost of losing his soul - and nowhere did he say that he would give it up for another - his tirade was that he would finish this entire sorry tale of the Throne and its corrupting influence - Jalal would not wish even on his enemy such a situation that he is in right now Divs - that shd itself tell you that this was not about giving up his responsibilities - this was about cleansing out the evil.

As for Jodha and her words to Jalal and his response - Divs watch the scene again - Jalal was in his own world where he was just looking at her - I doubt if he even heard her words or if he did he is not going to this as 'Veda vaak' - he may use them to tease her later - but as of now Jodha's role is to be the key - she is opening up the door to the emptiness within him - the rest is upto him and the Universe - infact even as she is speaking he is withdrawing within physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually - which is why he has been shown in slumber - in her arms becoz he was sitting and not in bed - I did say Jodha is important - and so she came at the right time - when he had emptied himself completely and cleansed himself with wine (which is supposed to be a sterilizer) and fire - Jodha, the key is there to open the door of his soul for the Universe - remember we all have been saying that she is his Beloved - and so she reminded him of Ishq - and his soul opened itself up for the Universe - that is all her job was Divs.

As to how the show goes on monday - I dont know - but this is my reading - this was not a lost boy - this was a Soul that was finally ready to evolve to reach the Absolute.

Btw Jodha still has not understood what has hurt Jalal - she thinks its MA's cruel words - but it is the corrupting absolute power of the Takht that has been like the monster whose hunger for blood cannot be satisfied



adi, you said it all👏..in the morning when i got up and started reading the updates i was not to happy to see the response and especially div's who manages to get something positive all the time and i thought maybe they showed jalal weak again and jodha mahaan again and sbs starts...but when i watched the episode i too had a different opinion and you adi my dear have spoken my heart i too felt the same..i think like u said he emptied himself and purified by wine and fire and jodha came at the right time to open the doors of his soul that he is not a commodity he is human and she loves the human and not the throne..and that put him to sleep for that is what was needed at that moment of loneliness! a human soul who will be there for him regardless!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: adianasr

Divs, this starts from the Tarazu point where Jalal is reevaluating his justice and when he is interrupted twice and both times he responds in fury - thus not Connecting with even Ruqs - this is further reiterated by Ruqs as she says that when I went to him he did not seem to even know who it was - HB is correct to fear for him as the night is on and there is no one near him - now come to the burning scene -

As Jalal sits there he recollects the words of AK, AM and MA - all the three recounting keep talking of each wanting to get the throne - thus for Jalal the Takht has become the Takhta - He is now seeing the Takht not as an object but as an entity that has taken the form of a monster - remember Divs that every coin has 2 sides - and while Jalal has till now been seeing both sides of the coin called Takht - he is acknowledging the Evil side now as having the power to engulf even the Good side - and hence the use of the term Shaitaan - This is the rebellion against the corrupting influence of Absolute Power by Jalal - all his near ones have either died for wanting the throne and thus wanting him dead or have died protecting the throne by protecting him - thus he is no longer being seen by his near ones as a person - he has become the Throne.

Hear his words - he says - all this has happened becoz of you (the Throne) - every time becoz of you, my hands are bloodied by the blood of my own - every time becoz of you my own are up against me - You snatched all my near ones either by corrupting them or by snatching those standing against the corrupt ones - Jalal's rant against the throne is that it snatched away his support - this in effect is Jalal cutting all his old ties, which were tied to the corrupting power of the throne - and the burning of the throne is mainly the burning of the old memories, of emptying himself, of cleansing himself.

I know where you are coming from Divs - but this was not about giving up - this was about not compromising on what he wants - he does not want power at the cost of compassion, he does not want an Empire at the cost of becoming heartless - he does not want to rule at the cost of losing his soul - and nowhere did he say that he would give it up for another - his tirade was that he would finish this entire sorry tale of the Throne and its corrupting influence - Jalal would not wish even on his enemy such a situation that he is in right now Divs - that shd itself tell you that this was not about giving up his responsibilities - this was about cleansing out the evil.

As for Jodha and her words to Jalal and his response - Divs watch the scene again - Jalal was in his own world where he was just looking at her - I doubt if he even heard her words or if he did he is not going to this as 'Veda vaak' - he may use them to tease her later - but as of now Jodha's role is to be the key - she is opening up the door to the emptiness within him - the rest is upto him and the Universe - infact even as she is speaking he is withdrawing within physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually - which is why he has been shown in slumber - in her arms becoz he was sitting and not in bed - I did say Jodha is important - and so she came at the right time - when he had emptied himself completely and cleansed himself with wine (which is supposed to be a sterilizer) and fire - Jodha, the key is there to open the door of his soul for the Universe - remember we all have been saying that she is his Beloved - and so she reminded him of Ishq - and his soul opened itself up for the Universe - that is all her job was Divs.

As to how the show goes on monday - I dont know - but this is my reading - this was not a lost boy - this was a Soul that was finally ready to evolve to reach the Absolute.

Btw Jodha still has not understood what has hurt Jalal - she thinks its MA's cruel words - but it is the corrupting absolute power of the Takht that has been like the monster whose hunger for blood cannot be satisfied


That is a wonderful analysis of the scene and I concur. He is at a turning point as far as relations go, the cumulative effect of the betrayals has shaken his soul.

But he is also cleansing himself. He is realizing the worth of individuals who love him. That will only grow. He has already seen the worst, of the back stabbers only one is left, Mirza Hakim.

The Takht burning scene to me represents the darkest of the night, just before dawn.
Edited by Donjas - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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kya hua Divi...??
I toh loved the epi...if not anything, at least JJ's relationship started a new chapter in their lives...their relationship has started running quite deep.
I absolutely loved the JJ scene we had today...there was pain, their was heart-breaks, there was love, there was solace, the scene had everything!

though MA's scene was OTT, CVs exaggerated the curse thing to a great extent...but CVs also opened the door of a new rishta JJ going to have...the journey has just started.

for the sake of Jalal and Jodha, please dont stop your take five.

You know how much I love u...dont do it behena😭
lemme hug u tight🤗🤗
maanja meri jaan🤗
Edited by tamy267 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Adi wonderful post..👏👏..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sun29



oh divi🤗..i can completely understand and agree with you as well..i would miss your take 5 everyday but still would look forward to your posts...

wishing you a very happy Ganesh Chaturthi

it was such a disgusting scenario..an evil woman who killed unborn children curses her foster son and as we know it all is going to come true...how could the heartless brainless cvs connect that to this...morons ...they will stoop to absolute low and beyond for drama and numbers...and then she asks Allah to accept her curse...if only they could be sued for hurting religious sentiments and every other sentiment...utter nonsense

u know Sunny, this curse thing was too much...like too much...MA got exactly what she did to Jalal's unborn kids...so literally her cruses shouldn't make any sense...baddua apne upar hi lagti hai..Allah never grants curses! how I wish I could undo this curse thing.💔 CVs highlighted the curse thing again n again today...so that when the twins die, people can say they died with MA's curse which is completely wrong...duayein qubool hoti hai, badduyaein nahi.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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even with the bitter after taste of Maham and her curse ..i absolutely loved the jodha jalal scene ...in which i saw passion ,angst ,emotions and very well executed and enacted..so cvs do know how to execute a good jalal jodha scene...


@Adi absolutely wonderful take ...and yes for Jalal it was about the throne which has turned in to a coffin and MA ka words was that final nail ..and introspection of the banes that come with the throne and the crown...including the vicious curse of his very own badi ammi...how the throne corrupted the love of a mother into this evil ..every relation in his life was corrupt or selfish ..all because of the throne ...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: tamy267

u know Sunny, this curse thing was too much...like too much...MA got exactly what she did to Jalal's unborn kids...so literally her cruses shouldn't make any sense...baddua apne upar hi lagti hai..Allah never grants curses! how I wish I could undo this curse thing.💔 CVs highlighted the curse thing again n again today...so that when the twins die, people can say they died with MA's curse which is completely wrong...duayein qubool hoti hai, badduyaein nahi.


exactly tamy ..there was no need to keep going on about the curse...it has send such a wrong message with all its natkiya roopantar
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Divi ,
Hi this is the epic love story of Ekta kapoor and Ashwini kalsekar.
Ashwini got too much footage in her serials and now for Ashwini ,Ekta changed the Course of history.
Cvs ,one suggestion from me .As an antidote for curse ,let Jajo make bronze statue of MA and worship her everyday.
Let this be one of the NR.


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