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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: varshaakulkarni

Divi ... as i mentioned i was all happy seeing jalal & the precap took the color out of my face ... i was truly disappointed !!!

Jodha doesnt realize what jalal has lost & what he is going through ... for her itz only paap , punya , nirdoush , niraparadhi etc etc matters ... whatever her king takes decisions ... SHE HAS to oppose them ...& prove herself right in all the way !!!

I will not give in to the statements like she is pregnant & thatz why shez scared seeing jalal covered in blood n all ... bull***t ... did she get scared when she was pregnant & fighting the mirchi war shedding the blood of hundreds of soldiers ??? if not then ...??? why now ??



I know ... I don't know why the dialogue today was included- it was totally unnecessary

Let's wait on the precap ... but Jodha is the weakest when it comes to Jalal
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: mandyg

res..i have so much to read in your thread divi and still the episode is lingering on my mind..what an impact it had and mainly because it was straight from the pages of history and i would like to give a big round of applause to the whole team of jodha akbar!



Yes kudos to the team for leaving such an impact! I look forward to your thoughts!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: mandyg

..and about the precap the less said the better as i am so upset that i do not even want to talk about it i just want to celebrate history and brilliant performances!



Agreed- let's save something for tomorrow 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ngayou

Varshu, calm down yaar 😆 . Let us see the scene play out tomorrow before making any judgement. Am not condemning Jodha until I see the scene. But if she disappoints then hum milke bajayenge yaar, but u know how the precaps r misleading. So tab tak shant rakko 😆



Agreed Gayathri ... poor Varsha just can't get over it.

Gayathri, what are your thoughts on the episode and my take? Look forward to it!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ngayou

Varshu & Dhiya, let s wait till tomorrow , yaar. If Jo begum attacks our nirdosh Jallu with anuchit kroorta words then me too will join u & we ll teach her what exactly is becoming behaviour for a warrior clan princess 😉 😆 . Not only us three, many others will be ready too , am sure 😆



I think everyone has said everything today ... there is nothing left for tomorrow 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
I'm surprised everyone's continuing to dissect even this incident with a 21st century viewpoint... and if we remember, this was a punishment for a man who was directly coming to ram a sword through the Emperor of a Nation after committing a murder in broad daylight in the palace.
Right until 70 years ago the British meted far crueler punishments to innocent Indians who were comparatively revolting peacefully.

I would shudder to think what would have happened to Adham Khan had he done the same in Henry Tudors court. Personally, I would prefer Adham's way of death at Akbar's hands to the kinds of death traitors suffered in western civilizations (Ever heard of Hanged/Quartered and Drawn or impaling??? That was what was done in Europe at that time)
That was a different era and obviously from today's viewpoint it would seem barbaric. From the 16th century viewpoint, Akbar's contemporaries would be wondering how he let off a guy so easily!

Of the famous Emperors in different parts of the world, I would say stalwarts like Akbar and CGM were kind... Akbar managed to successfully rule a large emperor because of his ability to accept changes (far more than others in his era) and CGM because of extreme tactical ploys of Chanakya.
Many of the other emperors of this era and eras before and after have been far crueler in their governance and established power through keeping up the fear in their enemies' hearts!

It's strange how a half an hour death sequence has overshadowed Adham's numerous past crimes. We only saw Tasneem and Atgah Khan today. What about the thousands Adham Khan gradually murdered, pillaged, raped and looted in Akbar's name everytime he crushed a rebellion or conquered an area?

From a 16th century viewpoint, I didn't find the punishment cruel.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: mnr123

U want my thoughts on this episode, i cried man I just cried hopelessly. 😭 First after seeing the episode and then after reading ur post and remembering it.

Yes, it was beautiful , emotional, and touching


Firstly Akbar's life was filled with "drama" and dunno y cvs really thought of getting khyber and atifa crap as NR. 😆 n secondly cvs know how to execute a drama properly. 👏 I hope this track gets JA highest trips at least on Zee so that such tracks are made and executed by the makers.

Atgah khan - the true loyalist even while dying he was worried about jalaal n he knew the enemy's plans well so he was smart enough to ask KS to go through a safer and faster route 👏

Yes, the CVs can execute things really well when they want to


Adham Khan- dunno much about the real one but at least in the show, I think he always craved for MA's love as a child and when he started seeing her showering his part of love towards Jalaal coz he was shehanshah and smarter person than him, he turned for bad. 😭 He started hating jalaal and his want for his mothers affections turned him towards destroying Jalaal and being the king himself so that his mother will realize his worth and he will get her acceptance. She always chided him for being foolish and MA loved the smartness that Jalaal showed since childhood so maybe she wud have groomed him as a better political person than her own son. His end was tragic but he did deserved this death and great justice meted out by Jalaal. 👏 I loved Chetan Hansraj's acting today and hope in future he gets much more meatier and better roles to essay. 😊

Yes, Chetan Hansraj was amazing today ... you hated him but felt bad for how he turned out in life


MA- she realized that she ignored Adham for Jalaal all her life and maybe this guilt of hers might have made her do all that she did, maybe she thought that by getting the Delhi khazana she might secure a brighter future for her Adham and might be able to compensate for his loss of childhood that she showered on Jalaal. She was partly guilty and partly selfish or greedy for her sons future.
That we could see in her talk with jalaal. She loved Jalaal no doubt and when she saw her control over Jalaal slipping towards Jodha she knew she had to do something about it. She knew Adham would strike Jalaal and she was really afraid about it. Her worst fear came true and she never really wanted to choose between Adham or Jalaal, hence she says he is wrong i know but please don't give him harsh punishment " you being the saner one kindly give him a lesser punishment and pardon him". But when she saw javeda in white robe, she knew she has los it forever. MA is the most vicious villains that I have seen on screen at least on indian tv. 👏 Brilliant Job ashwiniji u will be missed truly. 😭

Yes, it was brilliant ... the way she just disintegrated and broke down during the scene was awesome


Jalaal - 👏 When Ashoka saw bloodshed he thought what exactly was he doing for throne, he knew his greed had gone to far and only he can stop it. He gave up the things that were dear to him and adopted Buddhism one of the most peaceful religions in the world. When Akbar saw Red, he turned into a true king who strived hard for justice and betterment of his kingdom. No wonder these two are carry an epithet "The great" along with their names.
Basically one renounced the world and one accepted the world. According to me accepting this world and being a part of it is more difficult than renouncing it.
As u quoted Akbarnama yesterday, that great people have to go through great struggles to come out of it and establish their greatness. We saw that facet of Akbar today when he gave one of the harshest punishment that he might not have given to janwar like khyber and he had to give this punishment to a person whom he called Bhaijaan. How much it would have broken him from inside. 😭

And yet, he knew he had to do justice for Atgah Khan and loyalty

His silence, his roar spoke volumes about his inner strength and struggle as well.
Rajat was too good in every scene today. I loved how he hugged MA trying to console her although he knew that he had hurt her n that too badly. 😭

The silence was amazing!

TM- it was good to see TM coming on time and tackling the situation, i was 🤢 when all the beg hums were watching Adham's punishment n was wondering how come Hamida didn't take jodha inside who is pregnant. TM showed Great sense of timing and also command over the situation. 👏

Wow, even you remembered TM and I did not! 😆 I thought he came a bit late to the party


Jodha - she still doesn't understand her husband 😆 Precap was as funny as always n I didn't expect anything else from her, ya I know she will console him in the end for his pain but she still has a long way to go to be his soul mate. 😳

Jodha is still learning ... but she will get there


Ur post was good dear and m reading all the comments here, those are wonderful too. 😊

Yes, it is all your posts that make my thread even more interesting and fun





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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy

I'm surprised everyone's continuing to dissect even this incident with a 21st century viewpoint... and if we remember, this was a punishment for a man who was directly coming to ram a sword through the Emperor of a Nation after committing a murder in broad daylight in the palace.

Right until 70 years ago the British meted far crueler punishments to innocent Indians who were comparatively revolting peacefully.

I would shudder to think what would have happened to Adham Khan had he done the same in Henry Tudors court. Personally, I would prefer Adham's way of death at Akbar's hands to the kinds of death traitors suffered in western civilizations (Ever heard of Hanged/Quartered and Drawn or impaling??? That was what was done in Europe at that time)
That was a different era and obviously from today's viewpoint it would seem barbaric. From the 16th century viewpoint, Akbar's contemporaries would be wondering how he let off a guy so easily!

Of the famous Emperors in different parts of the world, I would say stalwarts like Akbar and CGM were very very kind... Akbar managed to successfully rule a large emperor because of his ability to accept changes (far more than others in his era) and CGM because of extreme tactical ploys of Chanakya.
Many of the other emperors of this era and eras before and after have been far crueler in their governance and established power through keeping up the fear in their enemies' hearts!

It's strange how a half an hour death sequence has overshadowed Adham's numerous past crimes. We only saw Tasneem and Atgah Khan today. What about the thousands Adham Khan gradually murdered, pillaged, raped and looted in Akbar's name everytime he crushed a rebellion or conquered an area?

From a 16th century viewpoint, I didn't find the punishment cruel.



Lashy, you know how it is right ... it because there is criticism that Jodha called Jalal cruel ... there is now justification that he was indeed cruel

It is unfortunate as without that dialogue no one would have defended Adham Khan

Oh why oh why, CVs, did you have to add that one unnecessary dialogue?

Folks want a terrible , insulting end to even Ruqaiyya ... but now are questioning Adham Khan's punishment
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Posted: 11 years ago
@lashy Wonderful post dear 😊 we miss u terribly 😭

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy

I'm surprised everyone's continuing to dissect even this incident with a 21st century viewpoint... and if we remember, this was a punishment for a man who was directly coming to ram a sword through the Emperor of a Nation after committing a murder in broad daylight in the palace.

Right until 70 years ago the British meted far crueler punishments to innocent Indians who were comparatively revolting peacefully.

I would shudder to think what would have happened to Adham Khan had he done the same in Henry Tudors court. Personally, I would prefer Adham's way of death at Akbar's hands to the kinds of death traitors suffered in western civilizations (Ever heard of Hanged/Quartered and Drawn or impaling??? That was what was done in Europe at that time)
That was a different era and obviously from today's viewpoint it would seem barbaric. From the 16th century viewpoint, Akbar's contemporaries would be wondering how he let off a guy so easily!

Of the famous Emperors in different parts of the world, I would say stalwarts like Akbar and CGM were kind... Akbar managed to successfully rule a large emperor because of his ability to accept changes (far more than others in his era) and CGM because of extreme tactical ploys of Chanakya.
Many of the other emperors of this era and eras before and after have been far crueler in their governance and established power through keeping up the fear in their enemies' hearts!

It's strange how a half an hour death sequence has overshadowed Adham's numerous past crimes. We only saw Tasneem and Atgah Khan today. What about the thousands Adham Khan gradually murdered, pillaged, raped and looted in Akbar's name everytime he crushed a rebellion or conquered an area?

From a 16th century viewpoint, I didn't find the punishment cruel.



BTW the final verse of the Akbarnama sums up why he did what he did:

If you grieve thus for any one
Many will be inclined to die.

Jalal showed the height of grief for loyalty ... and it is because of this that those loyal to him loved him to the extent they were willing to die for him

He wanted Adham to realize his crimes in this life itself ... which is the reason for its cruelty.
Edited by divyavm - 11 years ago

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