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MaddyO

@MaddyO

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Posted: 11 years ago

#371

Originally posted by: elasingh
Ruku's character was destroyed too just like Jalal's...Look I feel we can show natkiya rupantar only to a certain extent...After that it simply destroys history..It is really hard to believe that Ruku never cared for Jalal in all those 10/12 years...but cvs want to show various reasons for Jalal falling in love with Jodha...
The fect is no reason has ever been needed to fall in love ...It just happens...

This is BANG on comment.
Yes no reason is needed.

For whatever reason when he had hundred in his haram ready to throw themselves at him Akbar loved Jodha/HK.

If the CVs had shown the maturity to handle both Ruk and Jodha different kind of feelings but same prominence would have been great.

Since they have NOT, THIS Ruk is hard to take. Everybody knows Ruk is not going anywhere in JA. Just that HER real face exposed is what I want to see.

Did she change later? Maybe she might have since she was given a grandchild of Jalal's to raise.
Did Akbar stop talking with Ruk for close to 6 odd years? According to history this is true also.

If she was his first wife, cousin and a friend - she must have done something very bad for him to react like this.

I just want to see Ruk REAL SERIAL face come before everybody, and yes I want to see Ruk humiliated in DEK.

Jodha is also a Mugal wife if the CVs had compunction in showing her accused of causing a MC of Ruk, accused of NOT BEING A GOOD WIFE in front of all, wasn't that natkiya rupantar? They had no hesitation in showing Jodha insulted freely.

So I do want to see the same treatment meted out to Ruk.

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ILTHBEB

@ILTHBEB

Trailblazer

+ 4

Posted: 11 years ago

#372

Originally posted by: elasingh
Sorry nabii I am here to see good serial which I can enjoy and which makes me think...and which can blend with 16th century back ground...Natkiya rupantar is one thing but they dont need to butcher other characters to show this unrealistic Jo as great...

oh God i m feeling to bang my head. When did i say i m okay with generous jodha? I dislike both jj's characterization where 1 is impractically great n another is brainless.hence i have been telling since moring there is need to flourish in both characters only then the charm of JA wl come back. Its not possible to make this show toward to focus only on Akbar n his characterization.

Edited by nabiii - 11 years ago

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Archu

@cocoatree

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 11 years ago

#373

Originally posted by: akdhalover

She may had cared for jalal ofcourse she was also a wife but jalal found love in jo
It so happens we may be having many friends of opposite gender but we tend to fall in love with that one person for whom our heart beats!😳 We just cnt love each of our friend in that way a friend has itz own place and a lover itz own!😳

well said..! Ria
Frankly I never seen any sort of love from his first wife...its just a companion more than love , neither why could Jalal feel alone all these days even though Rukaiya and Maham revolves around him , his happiness seems to be short span , I never seen Ruqlal status as healthy and strong one , why i felt that i can break any time , its becoz of less , pure or true love b/w them...May he she cared for him , but that was genuine care ..? More than love i could feel their friendship which makes them a lot ..Although he had a vast kingdom with so many sophisticated things in his life except true love..Love and caring by Rukaiya was done..Nether its true love..? its a huge difference b'w love and friendship...

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Ela Singh

@elasingh

Stunner

+ 2

Posted: 11 years ago

#374

Originally posted by: MaddyO

I am sorry but you are coming across as very patronizing. Did I ever say I want to see Jodha portrayed as unrealistically? I want to see BOTH Jodha and Jalal as strong characters. The kind they were at the start of JA.

Your solution of less screen space for Jodha was what Nabiii and me were reacting to.

Yes I want to BOTH Jodha and Jalal strong. No I do not want to watch Akbar the great.

Yes as per what they have shown in JA here - nobody fulfilled the kind of love Jalal needed except for Jodha. Ruk might have loved him or not. I don't know, neither can you - so you should not presume to talk on their behalf.

The PROOF is that Jalal/Akbar ONLY loved Jodha in an all consuming way, there is proof in stones and marbles.

What kind of love Ruk and he shared and whether she loved him 40% or 80% who cares?

This serial is about JODHAAKBAR BOTH and I can't help but think that YOU want to see screen space reduced of one cos you do not like the actress portraying the role!

Maddy most of the time you are extremely patonising but I ignore it as I am not intimidated so easily plus you are a friend...

I AM NOT A FAN OF ANY CHARACTER AND NEITHER DO i HATE ANY CHARACTER...

Yes I said that sceen space should be reduced to Jo...So what is wrong with that? Have I committed some sin? Have I asked then to stop showing Jodha? All I have said is that it might be love story of JA but it is essential a male centric serial...and if they are showing half baked romance and an unrealistic Jodha then it is better to shift focus to Jalal...Jo is his beloved but Jo can never be in driving seat with a personality like Jalal...equations are wrong in this love story...

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Akanksha_33

@Akanksha_33

Sparkler

Posted: 11 years ago

#375

Originally posted by: chocobrownies

Exactly. akku ..Now why I feeling that after JA winning in supporting categories..Increased footage of villains..These days I couldn't enjoy peculiar scenes too...Why can't they remember that they are writing and executing a historical show..? Not a saas-bau , typical family drama including preggy tracks.They couldn't balance b/w leads and vamps...? Did they really cared for their show..?

Exactly Archie, even i suspect the same, ever since our show's supporting category has won awards thier screen space has drastically risen.

Jalal and Jodha are never going to get the required footage because our show is so villainsed. 🥱

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MaddyO

@MaddyO

Sparkler

Posted: 11 years ago

#376

Originally posted by: -aady-

Very true! These CV's seem to only glorify Jodha's character and make it look like the Mughal Sultanate ran because of her! I really like Jodha, but does not mean you can demean other characters! AKBAR THE GREAT, and instead they make him look wimpy, easily manipulated, and make everything that he does a result of Jodha's advice!

As for Ruks, they started off showing her as a grey character, which was okay! It did not completely show her as evil,, but as the serial progresses, they show her as plain black, and a useless part of Jalal's life! That is completely massacring history! I feel instead of making her plain evil, they should have showed her differently!

Do you think CVs are glorifying Jodha character? I feel they are butchering Jodha and Jalal BOTH characters. They are coming across as unreal people too saintly. No real human beings have lot of flaws and how they overcome them is interesting to see.

As for Ruk - according to history Akbar had stopped talking with her for some years and later the relationship might have changed since his grand child was given to her to raise.

So the real Ruk might have changed a lot in her lifetime. Did Jalal not change from a brutal cruel person to Akbar? Jodha changed from ghrina to this - no I do not like this kind of Jodha. I want to see her intelligent, brave, fiery, self respecting side - the side of her character should come out when needed.

No I do not enjoy her becoming a doormat to Ruk. Yes I want to see THE JA SERIAL Ruk real face exposed.

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Ela Singh

@elasingh

Stunner

+ 2

Posted: 11 years ago

#377

Cvs are glorifying Jo's character ...

When JJ are going to orphange and Jalal has taken only four sainiks with him ...They all die one by one and no one hears a sound...Then JJ are caught in a net and they come out and fight...and Jo fights bravely...Better scene would have been that all six of them Jalal , Jodha, and all four sainiks should have fought together...not just Jo helping him out...

When Jalal comes to know abt Ruku's fake pregnancy he just blurts it out to Jo...No problem but it should have been Jalal who should have decided to keep it a secret , knowing its political effects...the shame that will be brought to Mughal Khandaan...Jalal has been a king since the age of 13...He doesn't understant that???Jodha has to advice him to keep quite and for wrong reasons...

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akdhalover

@akdhalover

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#378

@archie exactly ruku was and always be a good friend of jalal nothing can change that fact

We cnt find love in everyone

Love is something else

Itz very difficult to describe in just a word, sentence or para

People who are madly in love cnt tell what love is so what you expect from people like us who dont know A or Z

We cnt experience butterflies in our stomach by seeing every other person

Itz just a glance of that special one that brings various sensations in us

With just one look of his/her our heart skips a beat

That person leaves a impression on our mind and heart

( if anyone of you have read PS i love you itz beautifully described)

Like jo after seeing his first jhalak couldn't erase his impression

Love is strange love is awesome

Akdha fell in love with each other n

We fell in love with them!😳

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Aadhya

@-aady-

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#379

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Do you think CVs are glorifying Jodha character? I feel they are butchering Jodha and Jalal BOTH characters. They are coming across as unreal people too saintly. No real human beings have lot of flaws and how they overcome them is interesting to see.

As for Ruk - according to history Akbar had stopped talking with her for some years and later the relationship might have changed since his grand child was given to her to raise.

So the real Ruk might have changed a lot in her lifetime. Did Jalal not change from a brutal cruel person to Akbar? Jodha changed from ghrina to this - no I do not like this kind of Jodha. I want to see her intelligent, brave, fiery, self respecting side - the side of her character should come out when needed.

No I do not enjoy her becoming a doormat to Ruk. Yes I want to see THE JA SERIAL Ruk real face exposed.

None of the characters, have been given the right sort of characterization! 😕

Jodha, is given the best of the lot, but not the best that she can be! These CV's have made molded every character in history to their advantage! I don't like the fact at all that they have fictionalized each and every character to such a point, that you lose the essence of the character as a whole!

Jodha is now shown as a character, that just had some advice to say at times, and to have some lollipop scenes at times! Akbar THE GREAT, has been stripped of his greatness, he is shown as this wimpy king, who spends all of his time in the Harem, and relies only and only on women!He hardly does any Social work!

As for Akdha, both these characters are not utilized to their full potential at all- they are deprived of being as strong characters, with great individuality! They have so much potential charisma, that is put to waste. One of the biggest qualms that I have with this serial is the bad characterization, I have no problem with Jodha, I have a problem with how she is portrayed in accordance with Jalal.

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MaddyO

@MaddyO

Sparkler

Posted: 11 years ago

#380

Originally posted by: elasingh

Maddy most of the time you are extremely patonising but I ignore it as I am not intimidated so easily plus you are a friend...
I AM NOT A FAN OF ANY CHARACTER AND NEITHER DO i HATE ANY CHARACTER...

Yes I said that sceen space should be reduced to Jo...So what is wrong with that? Have I committed some sin? Have I asked then to stop showing Jodha? All I have said is that it might be love story of JA but it is essential a male centric serial...and if they are showing half baked romance and an unrealistic Jodha then it is better to shift focus to Jalal...Jo is his beloved but Jo can never be in driving seat with a personality like Jalal...equations are wrong in this love story...

Yes Ela, I consider you as my friend. A friend who I can argue with and share opinions frankly. I have told you from day one that I might not agree but I respect that you are blunt in your opinions.

I did not know you considered my opinions patronizing, this is the first time you are saying this. I don't know whether this is in response to my saying so!

I don't think my posts are intimidating! I wish!

The BEST thing about you is that your thread - which I consider MY thread -(I hope you know this also) - is that there is freedom to state all views. You are wonderful in this way that nobody on your thread has to kowtow to you and tell you they like you. I think this is cos WE all assume YOU KNOW we do. You know I like you.

Yes you are free to express your opinions but then so am I! Am I not? The PS and Jodha bashing on the forum gets to me, as does to many others. I hope you are aware of the fact.

I reacted to your solution that less screen space to Jodha is solution to what ails JA. My post was in response to that.

On the contrary I think less screen space to MA, Ruk, Shehnaz and vamps and villains glorification is what is needed, this is what ails JA. That is the reason the CVs butcher Jalal and Jodha characters and turn them into brainless.

I don't think Jodha is responsible for how Jalal is shown, on the contrary Jalal is shown as having no idea what is happening, there is no spy network, what HE and anybody else talks gets back to vamps but what EVERY vamp and villain talk does not get back to Jalal EVER.

Jalal trusts wrong people, he does not see the real truth of what they are saying - what has any of this got to do with Jodha and HER SCREEN SPACE.

I guess again - we both watch the serial for different reasons and expect different things. You want a male centric serial where Akbar is prominent.

I want to see JodhaAkbar where both are prominent. If I remember correctly this is what the MAKERS said right at the start this is an EPIC LOVE story of JodhaAkbar and human side.

So I know what their aim of JodhaAkbar is. If they want to turn it into Akbar the Great again their prerogative. Like mine would be NOT to watch.

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