Jodha Akbar - Lessons in Love - Page 2

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: smile.sara

Adi I read in other post tht they are ready for amer track as there will be lots of fun jodha ka roothna n Jalal ka maana ... So what do u think abt tht ... I can't comment there bec TM didn't allow me she said it's only for akdha lovers n fortunately I m not the one...




Well Sara, if one looks at character consistency - the makers have been consistent with Jalal's character - he has always kept his promises - and this time he made a promise to his Ammi that he wont return to Agra without Jodha - so his going to Amer from that angle maintains character consistency - and if this is so - and as per the pics posted this may be true to - then I think Bharmal will request TE to come with them since Mainavati has told Jodha that she can only return with her husband and not otherwise - and TE may agree for 2 reasons - 1) becoz he does want Jodha's safety above all else and 2) becoz Jodha will not like it and so he will go just to annoy her.


But its good that she is going to Amer - becoz only they can show her the mirror and make her realise her mistakes.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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As always, Adiana, exquisite and beyond compare.

I do not think this Jodha would be able to understand even a tithe of all this high flown, lyrical philosophy of love. So your homilies to her will be completely wasted.

As for Jalal, he may be your perfect lover according to Rumi, Kahlil Gibran, Omar Khayyam and all the other icons of the genre, but he is fast becoming a hollow shell of an emperor.

It was a deplorable episode, with the acting being, bar a few shots of Jalal, especially in the very end before the precap, terminally pedestrian and apathetic. if I see any more of Jalal's grieving, desperate face, I shall start climbing the nearest wall. Has Jalal/Rajat never heard of dignified grief and regret? I half expected him to start tearing his kurta and then run all over the place like a madman, or a Majnun, shouting Jodha Begum Jodha Begum

What sort of emperor is this, who neglects his kingdom and his people for the sake of one woman? If he now intends to run after her all the way to Amer, he had better abdicate first. After all, it is not as though he attaches too much importance to his heritage and his calling; he was ready enough to abdicate just to keep his word to Jodha, something that shocked me, being a blatant betrayal of his rajadharma.

The two of them make me tired, and I wish both of them had been drowned in that lake. It would have been both good riddance and liberation at last.

Shyamala


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

As always, Adiana, exquisite and beyond compare.

I do not think this Jodha would be able to understand even a tithe of all this high flown, lyrical philosophy of love. So your homilies to her will be completely wasted.

As for Jalal, he may be your perfect lover according to Rumi, Kahlil Gibran, Omar Khayyam and all the other icons of the genre, but he is fast becoming a hollow shell of an emperor.

It was a deplorable episode, with the acting being, bar a few shots of Jalal, especially in the very end before the precap, terminally pedestrian and apathetic. if I see any more of Jalal's grieving, desperate face, I shall start climbing the nearest wall. Has Jalal/Rajat never heard of dignified grief and regret? I half expected him to start tearing his kurta and then run all over the place like a madman, or a Majnun, shouting Jodha Begum Jodha Begum

What sort of emperor is this, who neglects his kingdom and his people for the sake of one woman? If he now intends to run after her all the way to Amer, he had better abdicate first. After all, it is not as though he attaches too much importance to his heritage and his calling; he was ready enough to abdicate just to keep his word to Jodha, something that shocked me, being a blatant betrayal of his rajadharma.

The two of them make me tired, and I wish both of them had been drowned in that lake. It would have been both good riddance and liberation at last.

Shyamala




Shyamala, the trps are at their lowest, yet the makers dont seem to get the point - what can we do. The show itself is getting to be pedestrian - and it does seem that Jalal will be going to Amer with Jodha - wonder if I will go beyond next week now. I am loosing interest.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I really don't think, Jalal will go to Amer, and why should he? He can always tell his Ammijaan to go to Amer and meet her fav daughter, and as he is already on his guilt trip, he can be more guilty and sulking and say story to his ammijaan for not getting her back.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Adi will elaborate later as I m enjoying a nice mountain view at a resort reading deepak chopra book..lol...I think akbar's administrative achievements should not be mixed with his love for jodha, he was not great because jodha made him, he was great because of his own thoughts and that is a fact! Jodha might have influenced him in a positive way because she was not materialistic and never wanted his wealth or power for herself, and that is why she was his beloved...will be calling zee regarding this that they should not mix mohabbat with politics and not to show him weak in love and keep akbar's dignity intact!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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my comments in purple 😊

Originally posted by: adianasr

When Love beckons you, follow him, Even though his ways are hard and steep.

And when his wings enfold you yield to him, Even though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you

And when he speaks to you believe in him, Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as Love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.

These lines are for TE - Love crowned him and crucified him and he has taken both in his stride thus he has grown and been pruned. Today TE stands tall and stately.

I particularly like these lines 😊 it's evident that love not only brings happiness and strength to one's life, but also desolation, despair and weakness. I know many say that love shouldn't make you weak, but what really is weakness against the power of love? I mean, what exactly is considered being 'weak' when in love with such intensity?

Is TE weak for listening to his heart over his mind? Is he weak for passionately and wildly loving Jodha? Is he weak because he can go to any extreme length for her? Is he weak because he is willing to risk everything in love, especially his position and image as an Emperor?

The kind of love described here is absolutely accurate for Jalal. Love hasn't made him 'weak'. It's the strength of his love for Jodha that forces him to listen to his heart. It's the intensity of his love for Jodha which drives his passion and makes him go to great lengths to seek her forgiveness and happiness.

When one describes such kind of love, I feel it's best if we forget for a moment that he is the Emperor of Hindustan. As someone had mentioned in the forum a few days ago, Mughals had many decorums to follow, but as Jalal the lover, these worldly rules and regulations can't hold him back from the passionate love he has for Jodha, therefore, as a lover, he is bending over backwards to seek her forgiveness and that is justifiable. He is not weak for risking his position and status, rather, it is the firmness of his love which has forced him to let go of his ego and everything that was holding him back from transforming into an ardent lover.

Jodha Begum, you ask Kanha why every time TE comes close to you and then he is pushed away? You ask why this test you face every time? It is becoz you have not realized this lesson about Love yet my dear Begum and until you do, you will keep facing this test in some way or the other - Life will make us face such tests until we do learn the lessons life wants us to learn. And here is the lesson for you Jodha Begum -

I am honestly still keeping optimistic about Jodha's transition into a lover of this kind. I can't help but still hope we will get an epic love like this between both the leads, not just an ek tarfah love as shown up until now. And the reason I feel so is because during the dhakka, although Jalal was hurt and dejected (like Jodha) it was mainly his ego and self-respect that was hurt, likewise, the same goes for Jodha in this case. The only difference is that here her character was questioned, while there, Jalal's manhood was insulted. So basically I'm still hoping that she too will overcome the obstacles of ego and let herself go in the absence of love and finally allow love to consume her whole like Jalal has. I want this intensity for both of them, no matter how differently they both tend to express their love.

If only Jodha's self-respect was hurt and there was no ego, she would have still forgiven him, albeit still wouldn't have agreed to go to Agra with him, but it is her ego that is stopping her from ending his guilt trip. She knows that if she gives into forgiving him, she too will lose herself in love, and she is not yet ready to do so. First she must find herself before she is ready to lose herself in Jalal.

'Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself. Love possesses not nor would it be possessed. For Love is sufficient unto Love'.

Dear Jodha Begum, When you Love don't say God is in my heart', but rather I am in the heart of God'. And think not that you can direct the course of Love, For when Love finds someone worthy, it directs their course. Love has no desire but to fulfill itself

👏👏

Dear Jodha Begum, if you really want to understand Love look at Jalal and understand from him what your desires must be. See how Jalal Loves and what his desires are -

He has melted and become running water that sings its melody to the night.

He knows the pain of too much tenderness.

He is wounded by his own understanding of Love.

He is bleeding willingly and joyfully.

He wakes at dawn with a winged heart and gives thanks for another day of loving.

He meditates on Love's ecstasy.

And he sleeps with a prayer for the beloved in his heart and a song of praise on his lips.

Jodha too must learn to bleed willingly and joyfully. During Ben track, I thought her progress had begun, but now it seems she had taken one step forward, and three steps back. Though it's my optimistic hope that maybe this new Amer track will finally allow her to find enlightenment, although I'm not too happy about this track, I can't help but be somewhat excited.


Overall, excellent post, I love your writing. And also a word of mention to your post on Anita's thread yesterday, I absolutely loved it 😊
I hope next week you'll expand on that post and elaborate more by entwining the ideas expressed here, I think it will be a great way to portray any changes in Jo's development of love, and this new 'trust' issue that has arose, though you rightly explained that this is technically the first time her trust has been broken.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank You Deepi. Yesterday's epi was the worst ever - in one epi the makers destroyed both Jalal and Jodha - And I for one wont forgive them easily.😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rima4ever

outstanding excellent brilliant



Thank You Rima and the quote on your posts - I hope kayanat hume sach mei ek epic love story dikha de jisse dekhne ke liye itni shiddat se hum sab wait kar raha the!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: aashyagh

I really don't think, Jalal will go to Amer, and why should he? He can always tell his Ammijaan to go to Amer and meet her fav daughter, and as he is already on his guilt trip, he can be more guilty and sulking and say story to his ammijaan for not getting her back.



Ash, this week will tell us what the makers want Jalal to do 😉😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mandyg

Adi will elaborate later as I m enjoying a nice mountain view at a resort reading deepak chopra book..lol...I think akbar's administrative achievements should not be mixed with his love for jodha, he was not great because jodha made him, he was great because of his own thoughts and that is a fact! Jodha might have influenced him in a positive way because she was not materialistic and never wanted his wealth or power for herself, and that is why she was his beloved...will be calling zee regarding this that they should not mix mohabbat with politics and not to show him weak in love and keep akbar's dignity intact!



Have fun Mandy and take your time. and hopefully by the time you are back from your mountain break we may have a sudhri hui Jodha - high hopes I know but hopes toh apne hain unpe CVs ka zor nahin chal sakta!!!😆

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