Jalal and Jodha in bed ... but not yet together! - Page 5

Originally posted by: skanda12

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Actually I always think I should skip the scene description (I usually do it word for word) because it makes the post too long. But many people send me PMs that they want to know what happened as they are not watching the episode and just reading only my post. So in case anybody wants the detail I include it.

Originally posted by: skanda12

Yes lots of people are disagreeing with me on that last point that Jodha may be looking guilty. I still feel that way though when I see it again and again! maybe something wrong with my eyes?😆

Originally posted by: skanda12

I have not justified this man's character, but he is a good Director. We have to separate the personality of the man and his talent. The former is obnoxious, the latter is praiseworthy!

Its the Channel and producers headache to weigh the pros and cons, and if they feel that because of the Director they are having so many staffing problems, then they'll have to ask the Director to go and hope to find another better talent!

Originally posted by: Arieltabi

Hey mansi brilliant analysis.
I just love yesterday's epi.
When first I saw him entering Ruk's hojra I was scared thinking he will imagine Ruk as Jo. But thnk God it was real.
U r right about Ja-Ruk relationship. When he entered she said his BEK was waiting for him. And then her dialogue about playing. Rukku is too childish. Which wife wants to play chess ludo with her husband at night when u can clearly see he his troubled with something. For her its all about Shahenshah, BEK, chess, chauser, chaugan, and shikar. To me they look like friends with benefit. There is nothing like husband wife in their relationship. She can never be his wife.
I like the moti-Jo scene. I really felt sad seeing Jo like that. But finally I guess she understood her feelings. I m fed up with Rukk. How can someone be such ehsan faramosh. Jo saved her marriage and her she wants to broke Jo's marriage. But both MA and Ruk is not understanding Ja-Jo relationship. Their soul has connected with each other. Its not possible to break it.
I got scared when Jalal started saying about jo infront of Rukku. But he didn't said much. And I love the way he defended Jo infront of Rukk. U r right Rukk's expression was priceless. Why do I feel Jalal intentionally made Rukku drink so she will dozed off. 😉 😆
Ja could not sleep peacefully and went to Jo's room. He didn't forget about the shoes even in her drunken state. Aww obedient husband. And the way he looks at Jo caresses he feet. Hats off to Rajat. He expressed Jalal's feeling so perfectly. His passion his yearning for JO. Jalal was to much in pain for her lie. And when he fell down and said to Jo that lagta even her things don't like him I just wanna hug him.
But I really love the way Jo took care of him. How lovingly she made him lie on the bed. I completely agree with ur 6e .I felt she would not mind if he had intentionally caught her dupatta or if he had done something more.
But I wish he had said mohabbat instead of pasand and she would have lied next to him on bed. But I guess usme abhi time hai.
The precap was the best part. Kal Rukku ko 440 volt ka jhatka lagne wala hai🤣 . But I felt Jo was not guilty she had a little proud smile on her face.
I think that Pari having prob doing romantic scene was false.She was so comfortable in that scene. And I think that jungle spoiler might not be TRUE. Lets see.

Originally posted by: preetgurti

Mansi what are u by profession pls start writing u are so damm good write a novel I will be first one to buy it
love with your writing and choice of words

Originally posted by: Akanksha_33

I think we will need to distribute earplugs in this forum.😆😆😆😆😆

Originally posted by: preetgurti

I thought jalal will get up in morning listening jodha man mohan aarti but man poor guy gonna hear alot of screaming , screeching and shor of ruq and allegations on jodha

Originally posted by: skanda12

She's going to yell so loud Mansi, people in Char Minar will be able to hear her. 😆 😆 😆

People watching on TV, should mute the TV the minute she walks into Jodha's hojra, she can blast any moment.

My comments on this whole scene of Ruq, Jalal and Jodha:

Friends, I have some six points I want to bring to your notice and aks if you felt the same way as I do:

1. The childishness of the relationship between Ruq and Jalal came out totally in the scene today.

I don't know how many of you noticed this but there was a degree of over-formality and childishness - such a contrast - in the relationship between Ruq and Jalal today. On the one hand she had over-elaborately done up her room and posted bandhis all across the side walls when Jalal entered and she greeted him with an "adaab" and a "khushamdeed" to which he gave no answer. But folks, tell me, did it not look like too formal an opening ceremony for a husband and wife about to sleep with each other romantically? Does a man really like to enter a wife's room with a dozen bandhis in attendance and a formal greeting from the wife. The only excuse I can think for Ruq was that maybe he was going to her room after a long time, and she was all eager to make it "special". But people with romantic feelings do not make a room special by lining up bandhis and elaborately using formal language for greeting the loved one into the room.

In stark contast then with all this entry formality, Ruq then asked Jalal which game he wants to play. I have heard of foreplay in lovemaking but I never thought that a romantically inclined couple would play chess or chausar to break the ice before going to bed with each other. Compared to the formality of her greeting and invitation to Jalal to enter her room, the sudden childishness of Ruq in suggesting board-games to her "playmate" also astounded me. She seems to be teetering between two extremes. She is either too formal or too childish in her relationship with Jalal. But what she is NOT is clear: she is not a "lover".

Okay, look at one more thing as regards Ruq's behaviour with Jalal. She needs an audience to whom she needs to declare her intentions with aplomb, and hence the presence of the bandhis, I suspect. I think she is more keen to give all and sundry the feeling that she is with the Shahenshah - and she values actually being with the Shahenshah a little less than letting everybody know of this fact. For instance when he asked for wine, she first asked a bandhi to bring it, and then addressed not Jalal but the bandhis: "Takhliya, you can all go now, I plan to serve the Shahenshsh myself today." When a woman wants to do something special or personal for a man should she tell the man that she is wanting to do this for him - or should she tell the bandhis she wants to do this for him? It seemed to me that "audience" was far more important for Ruq than Jalal himself!

Good points here , Mansi...i agree, but i ll put more to it...as u have used the word, 'Playmate'... abt Ruku and Jalal , then right, they r playmates, not soulmates... and Ruku is aware of it... she might be in love with him but she knows for him she is just his childhood friend, who knows his secrets better than others, thanks to being with him for so many years...else their relationship is nothing more than 'partners to satisfy physical needs of eachother'... and Ruku has started to understand, that just like Jalal may be going to other women, just for satisfying his physical need for some time of night and then returning back to his chamber, same thing might happen with her too, coz this is the same Jalal who used to share his mind with her coz that time he believed he has no heart, and now this is the same Jalal who is hiding many things in his heart from her, since his new found discovery abt his own heart and the only one person he wants to rule it...

and let Ruku deny it or laugh at it, she very well knows, she is losing Jalal to Jo... and her behavior u think is childishness, is more a desperation, to keep him bound to her , using any mean, doing anything... games, drinks or physical passion... whatever it is to keep him close to her she is ready to do it...

and abt her showing off in front of baandhis, then that too is something she knows, she will have, once Jalal and Jo got together forever... she understand Jalal has been changed, and if she didn't put her usual BEK facade in front of others, she knows they will understand she fears of losing Jalal and her oh so precious audha, and that's what she is trying to keep clutched tightly in her hands in front of the world... Poor girl, i ll say... there was one time she had everthing, one could ask for... and now, she can sense of losing everything one by one... thanks to Jalal's newfound heart and the feeling of love for Jo...

2. The cinematic direction of the intercutting scenes was very good. It gave us a view of both Jodha and Jalal parallelly.

I must again applaud the Director of the serial. I know he is a cantankerous man always fighting with his staff! But still he has talent of the highest kind in directing this serial and ensuring the shots are beautifully sequenced and arrayed and presented. He has an eye for exquisite detail. He has his plus points, I guess, and that's why his poor PR skills are forgiven.

The way the scenes of Jalal-Ruq and Jodha-Moti were intercut so that we saw the evolution through the night of both of them parallelly was beautiful. The scenes of each side were cut short at just the right time so that the continuity of the scene was then seen by us from the other point of view. There was a close match of the way Jalal felt versus what Jodha felt.

For example, when we saw Jalal feeling sorrowful and morose, we also saw Jodha sorrowful and morose. Then when Jalal started opening up to Ruq partially about Jodha lying, Jodha too started opening up to Moti about how bad she was feeling that he was sleeping with other women. Then when Jalal took Jodha's side and said she would never ever do anything wrong, Jodha was also telling Moti about how she had openly told Jalal that she would feel very bad if he was with any other woman.It was like a gentle opening up in layers on both sides, and the scenes of each were in close match with the scenes of the other.

at the end of scene , while it dawns on Jo abt her innermost feeling that she has fallen in love with Jalal, it will be interesting to see when she will accept it to herself... coz i felt right now she is like, does it mean i love shehenshah,? what i feel for him, is it called love?... and this same feeling has given her the new feeling of longing or him..

and i fear, just when she will accept her love for him to herself, same time she will be in for a gr8 heartbreak , when Jalal will finally question her abt gair mard...

It was clear that Maham's instigation was working on Ruq. She was trying very hard to keep pressing the point to Jalal that maybe his sorrow and upset was because of Jodha. Twice she tried opening the topic with Jalal but he almost was ready to leave if they talked about Jodha. At first it looked like he was angry and therefore didn't want to talk about Jodha. But then you could see that is was not so much anger against Jodha but protection of Jodha.

This became clear when he started telling Ruq a little bit about Jodha, after her persistence, but he said something so cryptically that she may have had a hard time figuring out what he meant. He merely said "I saw her with my own eyes and she lied to me". What did he see and what did she lie? He suppressed that information. Again he was stressing not what he saw as hurting him, but her lying was what was hurting him!

Ruq then did the completely undiplomatic thing with her half-knowledge of what he was saying. She said maybe Jodha had done some wrong she was trying hide by lying. The speed with which he pounced back on Ruq, despite all the drinks he had consumed, was remarkable. He spat at Ruq "Jodha Begum will never ever do anything wrong!" The look on Ruq's face was to die for.

Many of us were wishing that he would not share with Ruq anything about his relationship with Jodha. But he went one step further to cheer us up. He needed to tell someone that he was hurting so he talked in riddles about the subject without giving away any facts. And then he protected Jodha from Ruq's assumptions and barbs with a speed that belied the fact that his brain was addled with drink. When it came to Jodha, nothing, not even glasses and glasses of drinks, could hide his protectiveness of her dignity, her sincerity and her dependability in his life. I was so touched because he showed such protectiveness of Jodha even when he himself was laying his own heart out in an unprotected way!

just as i said above, in her desperation to keep Jalal close to herself, Ruku has started digging her own grave... the fall will be very bad..

4. The contrast between Ruq and Moti as confidantes was worth watching - how different they both were!

A point that particularly hit me was the way Ruq and Moti played the confidante role in the episode yesterday. Moti was the perfect confidante. A confidante's role is to be a good listener, and to help a person who is hurting. To be a good confidante, you have to urge the other person to speak saying you are there for them, but you should not try to press your advantage at a cost to their own readiness to speak.

In Ruq's case she was trying to lead the conversation and was almost forcing a confidence out of Jalal. No doubt this was not just Ruq showing her initiative, she had been mentally brainwashed also by Maham, and hence her desperation to make Jalal open up on Jodha. When Jalal did not open up, she started prompting with leading questions. She ventured opinions on why Jodha would lie, when she should have kept her personal opinions to herself. She then went too far in imputing motives to Jodha as having done something wrong and trying to hide it. This was no way to be a good confidante. Her objective was too transparent: she was trying to make Jalal belittle Jodha and she got just the opposite of what she wanted.

But in contrast, Moti was just simply non-pressuring and just reassuring. She asked Jodha what was troubling her and she let Jodha quietly reminisce on her scenes with Jalal. Jodha herself then said she had told Jalal how bad she would feel if he was with other women. Moti then simply underscored the point that Jodha herself had made. She said "There you are, you have the answer to your dilemma yourself. You don't like him sleeping with other women and that is troubling you." This is what a real confidante's role is ... to get the other person to share and not to try and put words into the other person's mouth!

To add to all this Ruq made another cardinal mistake. She saw in Jalal what she wanted to see. She tells herself "Jalal is suspicious of Jodha and that is my triumph.". The stark point that Jalal was making was that he WAS NOT suspicious of Jodha, in fact only her lying was hurting him, but this point bypassed Ruq completely because she was seeing and hearing only what she wanted to see! In contrast Moti made no assumptions about Jodha. They just let it lie between them that Jodha was unhappy with Jalal sleeping with other woman. But Moti did not try to tell Jodha what she should therefore do or say to Jalal or to herself. Isn't it elementary that a confidante needs to be a listener of the truth and not make personally-favourable assumptions of the state of mind of the other person too quickly?

perfect👍🏼

5. The music in their lives is subtly changing ... their music for "mutual attraction" is different from their "music of physical passion"!

I hope you all noticed the music with a keen ear. There was something entirely different about the music at two different stages of the scenes between Jalal and Jodha today. Previously we have always had the Amer music playing in the background to suggest the "mutual attraction" between them in various scenes. Their relationship was always so far staying at the attraction level and so the Amer music always came on and seemed to echo the theme of attraction - but not more than that.

Yet today, when Jalal came into Jodha's room looking and yearning for physical contact, the music changed. We had a totally new tune for his physical longings. When he caressed her feet and then went to lie beside her looking almost to kiss her, the new music with stronger beats and chords was playing as if that was the "tune of their physical relationship".

this was the same music which played in BG in that water-splashing scene near the pool, when Jallu is flirting with Jo before atga attack...

Later in the same scene, Jalal falls asleep on Jodha's bed and she stands at the foot of the bed staring at him asleep, and we get back the Amer tune. Does this imply that it is still attraction from her side but from his side it has all progressed to deeper tones of physical sexuality? I got that impression just seeing the contrast in the music when they were both shown individually looking at each other in that scene.

But the beauty is that despite the "attraction music of Amer" playing in the background for Jodha as she looked at him asleep, she ended the scene saying "I once gave him the dhakka, but things are very different now than before". So folks, it is my feeling that slowly the "Amer music" will give way to the "music of physical passion" even for Jodha very soon! The chemistry is building up in her too!

6. A medley of my other observations ... I have some six points to highlight as the other things I noticed:

a. Did he need so much wine to drown his sorrows? How deep must be his pain then?

i felt he wants to be drawn, to forget the fact, that he is with somebody else when all he wants to lose himself in Jo...and wine can do this miracle, that it can make him forget the true identity of his partner for night and let his imaginations take over... and abt forgeting the pain... then if he wants to forget the pain in wine, he can do so in his own room, no need to go to other woman...

b. He caressed her feet while she was sleeping, and I suspect her feet will become precious to him. Rajvanshi women cannot otherwise allow their patis to touch their feet, so if he likes playing with her feet, he has to do this only while she sleeps!

c. I loved the way the angry dhakka dialogue is now becoming a joke between them. He said "Last time I fell because of your dhakka, but this time I fell even without your dhakka". How cute that he now finds it amusing rather than a point of anger.

e. She thought he was pulling her dupatta to get her back to bed next to him. Did she want him to do that? And was she disappointed that he had actually fallen asleep with her dupatta in hand. I thought so!

f. In the precap I can't understand why Jodha still wears a look of guilt when Ruq finds Jalal in Jodha's bed. She should stop feeling guilty for her husband being in her bed, even if they've done nothing so far in that bed!

i think Jo remembers the previous such night, when he had given his night to Ruku, and instead spends the whole night with Jo chatting in garden... after that religion changing episode... but guilty that Jalal is in her bed, surely not...

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha