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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: dodoneha


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which arrow is it talking about?? d arrow attempt which sujamal deviated during jashn or some war where he takes d arrow 2 save jalal😕 (as dere was some news dat some war scenes r shot)
its so confusing🤓


they what showing i accurate that wrote, so i don't knows which arrow.
Edited by ayushimehra - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Mansi,
Great detective work in finding all those sankets! 👏

1. Whatever anyone felt at the time of Jodha drinking poison for Jalal, it will always stand her in good stead with Jalal in future. He will think twice before suspecting her of anything.
2. Ruq speaks a lot. She should learn from Jalal and Jodha that speaking less has the benefit that one does not have to eat one's words later.
3. See this link:
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3958724&TPN=15

I have mentioned to Lashy why I think MA is as much in the wrong as Jodha in the present track and if Jalal were to do some serious investigation, he would find much against her. However, I am not very optimistic about MA being exposed in this track, no matter what Abhay says. 😕
4. Even though Jodha is silent on the Sujamal issue, and took a unilateral decision on the harem warden post, she still couldn't stay away from Jalal. His ignoring her always bothers her, right from the Ben track. And she landed right up there to ask him why he wasn't pestering her with his Qs! 😆 I think if Jalal has any sense, he will stop bothering about her totally and simply ignore her till she can't take it anymore and then she will come running to him to tell him whatever he wants to know, vachans be damned.
5. Jalal showed his hurt by telling her he would have listened to her if she had told him the truth. Very touching. But I have a feeling he is saying this now when he is hurt. If she had approached him initially before all this MA-instigation, I wonder if he would have listened to her patiently? After all, he told her then that he didn't want to hear from her on the Sujamal issue. All Jalal lovers are citing this sentence to bash Jodha - that's why I mentioned this.
6. Reg precap: Whenever Ruq brags about something, she is proved wrong. Here she is bragging Jodha is losing all her battles. So obviously Jodha will win the war even if she loses a few battles. (At least Ruq always loses which is a consolation because so far MA has never lost much.)
7. Jalal can never punish Jodha, no matter what. We saw this even in the earlier tracks. Viewers can grumble "itni badi khata, aur itni kum saza" but that's our Jalal 😆
8. I doubt the jungle scenario as much as I doubted the Amer banishment. Jalal can simply not live apart from Jodha, he can't think of sending her away. I wrote this on Divya's thread http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3958724&TPN=15:

Even when he was so angry with her in the Ben track, he was shocked to see her standing outside her hojra with her Kanha. He felt scared she might be leaving him for good and himself went with her to get her hojra back. Now that he loves her so much, he will not even think of sending her away. He may say something in anger without realising it and would repent immediately if she were to really go away.

9. Jodha will never tell Salima anything. She can talk with only Moti because Moti is her sounding board and highly reliable in keeping secrets. Earlier also, she has faced her problems herself but never spoken to Salima even when Salima asked. It's not about being vachan bound. It's the ethics of talking about a husband-wife matter. Like Jalal told Atga, some things have to be faced alone.
10. Paigams are never resolved in JA. This Sujamal-to-Atga paigam also has been confined to the dustbin. And so much logic is not the CVs cup of tea 😆
11. What about the kidnap track? Is there any chance SD will land up in the jungle to kidnap Jodha and just then Jalal will arrive to save her like a hero?

I liked this sentence the most:
What will happen to Sujamal, Sharif, Abul Mali and the murder attempt, God knows. But I don't care!

Cheers for a happy weekend!
Radhika


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Posted: 11 years ago
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In many serials, consummation scenes happen in jungles, amidst leaves and sticks and hay in some way out tabela ... even though the hero and heroine have fine beds at home!



Dont you think its uncomfortable and RISKY?????????????????😆🤣
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi yesterday I could only see Jalal...he was so pained and hurt, I felt like hugging him!! my heart went out to him...😭
The drunk scene made me feel more empathetic to him...Jalal hinted everything to Jodha..isse zyada saaf aur kya bole woh ?? Jodha only needed to assure him that she is up to something aur waqt ane par she will tell him..I am sure this li'l trust on him would have lessened his pain..and he would have helped her! he would have respected her decision for sure.
Jalal is still not doubting her character, he is upset coz of her chuppi..he is thinking the way he trusts her, she doesnt...which is wrong we all know that..Jodha ko yehi Jalal ko samajhana hai..ekbar baar baat karke toh dekhe!
regarding spoilers, anything can happen! I've stopped predicting long back..kyukii koi fayda nahi hota..🤪all I can say Jalal needs to explode, he is very much there..and its only out of his anger coz she is silent, not doubts in her character! Jodha might MU he is doubting..I feel he will not banish her, she will herself do it..Jodha will leave for jungle all heartbroken.

according to Tata Sky, Sujamal will take arrow on himself! so some big dhamaka is on its way...next week will be roller coaster for all the viewers.😆

consummation?😳 love confession hojaye wohi bahut hai!😆

I want to wait for the consummation☺️
Edited by tamy267 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hmmm nice detailed analysis and love your predictions. 👏

I try not to predict at all as far as Ekta shows are concerned.

As per the spoilers, it is said that Akbar banishes her in anger and she goes away to the forest to live, coz, she doesnt want to go to Amer.

There was this dialogue by Jalal himself that he doesnt want to do the mistake of doubting Jodha's integrity, then, why would he banish her out of Agra. Thats somehow unacceptable to me. Why would the CVs repeat such "doubting tracks" ... am not convinced. 😒

Moreover, are we not forgetting that Shariffuddin could kidnap Jodha and keep her in some hut in the forest area. Then, this track could make some sense atleast. Why because, Jodha is a fiesty person, doesnt give up her quest to the truth easily and why should she run away from Agra like this ?. Remember, when she was newly married, she was too lonely and emotional and took the decision of committing suicide(it was not real, but a melodrama track by Ekta), but, after coming back, she gave a promise to Hamida ammijhan that she would never do such things again.

Coming back, even if the spoilers are held true, that, Jalal rushes in search of her, sees and convinces her to come back. Why would she accept it ? 😕, yes she is in love, but, she is also stubborn and gives more weightage to self respect. She may not return, 😭 like in the movie (because, this specific track is going as per spoilers like the movie). She may refuse and tell him, he will have to do something drastic and everlasting for the people of the land that would naturally force her to come back to him. In the movie, Jalal does away with the pilgrim tax and became known as "Akbar" after that. Thats when she voluntrily comes back.

Phew... as per me, if spoilers are true, hugs or kisses or making out in the forest on hay or grass (as per your prediction) is "dhoor khi bhaath hai" 😕 🤔

Viji
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice prediction Maddy..!..😊


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek

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Hi Mansi,

This is one of the best posts i am reading. Very positive post. This i say because you have focussed on trauma of both the leads today after examining BOTH jodha and Jalal in last two days.

Since yesterday the ONLY argument which has caught all attention is Jalal's hurt and trauma. Really i felt TOO BAD AND SAD for him. This guy is very much hurt. But what i don't get is holding 'ONE' person responsible for all this.

I expect Jodha to confess the secret. But that 'vachan' has spoilt the party. And she is unable. Even she feels why Suja took that vachan. Had it not been the case she would have done it.

Next, EVEN Jalal does not asks her DIRECTLY that whom you met.?.
He is indirectly showing his hurt that i wish you had trusted me Jodha Begum. There also the clause used was that you are lying to me regarding harem. He could have asked directly.?. The thing is if Jodha is bound by vachan Jalal too is not able to speak up due to fears of previous occassions where he doubted her...

The problem is that NEITHER JALAL NOR JODHA, no one is speaking up. So i see this BOTH ways.

I am sure the lead will be taken up by Jalal. He will ask whom you met as per promo and if she does not speaks there also then may be that jungle track will happen.

Another interesting point i want to mention is that why is that ''Vachan'' called stupid in some corners of the forum..?..

When she gave the vachan did she know that the future will be so bleak.?. And that vachan was a sudden event. She did not had the time of think what implications it could lead to.?. Afterall human do mistakeS and this was done in ignorance.

Let me bring another facet of this so called 'stupid' vachan.

TWICE Jalal was also in a similar situation and he gave PROMINENCE to his vachan.

1. During religion coversion issue, he was ready to LEAVE THE THRONE OF MUGHAL SULTANATE due to his zubaan given at the time of marriage...
So, why did That Zubaan was so important there.?.
The Emperor regarded his Zubaan more than the throne. And we all applauded it. If et all that happened do you think it was a wise decision OF LEAVING THE THRONE..

Anyways for me Jalal's izzat rose as he kept his words there..
That time it was Chisti baba who saved the situation.

2. You remember that Body Heat incident. That time Jodha's life was in danger due to the cold she caught. ?. And body heat was the ONLY solution prescribed by Khwaja Shera.
But here ALSO jalal gave importance to his Zubaan that he will not touch Jodha Begum without her consent DESPITE KNOWING SHE MAY NOT SURVIVE IF HE DID NOT GIVE BODY HEAT.
he still went for 'kaala kapda'...Rofl..
So he gave preferance to Zubaan over her life. Her also i appreciate the high ideals of this man.
HERE DESTINY WAS TO HIS RESCUE.

What i want to say is howcome the Zubaan is so important and is hailed by ALL. and why a vachan becomes so stupid.?.

And add to this, Jodha is still unaware to the turmoil she is going to face..SHE IS BLUNDERING.
But she does not have a hint of Jalal's state of mind. She feels something is amiss due to harem issue.

We all know Jodha will face MUSIC at the hands of Jalal as per promo and that outlash is justified also.
JALAL NEEDS TO VENT OUT.

But why do we forget that NONE of them has spoken up. Jodha cannot open up due to vachan. And Jalal has pre-conceived notions about blaming Jodha.

Whom do i blame.?.
Whom do i support.?.

I feel bad for Both.
Both are victims of circumstances.
I see both of them DEVASTATED DEEP INSIDE..!..

I would love to know your take on this. Do correct me if something is invalid here.

PS. - i wrote all this from my cell. Will add more later about the rest of episode..


Agree with the Vachan and Zubaan part. We have to understand that we are talking about 16th century royals. Pran jaaye par Vachan naa jaye was drilled into their psyche since childhood.As far as this issue is concerned, we have to look at it from their prespective... And, even if we choose to look at it from a practical prespective, Sujamal didn't want his sister to bear Shehanshah's wrath. He knew that she will try to argue his case and may land herself in trouble. He is aware that Jalal treats jodha well but doesn't know of the intensity jalal's of emotions for Jodha. Poor guy has turned into a devdas because Jodha doesn't trust him. So how could Sujamal predict that this Vachan will infact land her in a bigger problem? And Jo is just being a true Rajvanshi ( and Mughal too) by not breaking the Vachan...it is no one fault...just circumstances.
Edited by Cleo12345 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashpat

Mansi- great points!!!

I want to say two things:

1.Why did not Sujamal told Jodha about the letter he sent to Atgah to warn him about the attack before Jashan? If he had said that and Jodha had conveyed that to Jalal then at least Sujamal would have been exonerated. Then, Jalal might have forgiven him or at least did not think he was the attacker.

2. I do not have faith in spoilers anymore after Mohan tiger attack that we were supposed to see some scene in jungle or atleast nursing wound scenes in Agra palace but did not get either of them. However,SUPPOSE I assume that the jungle track spolier that u said was stated in telly chakkar was true, then I HOPE Jalal vents his anger of hiding stuff and about safety etc and does not say something that implies doubting her character. Because then what was the point of Jalal saying that he does not doubt her character or of cheating but just worried that she is in dabaav, majboori, khauf and worried about her safety in this last few episodes. CVS BETTER NOT RUIN what they shown in last few episodes about Jalal trusting her immensely. I just don't want Jalal to say something in anger regarding her charatcer after showing so much trust; that would not make sense at all. CVS, please show the Jalal's venting at Jodha properly with correct and meaningful dialogues. I hope they mean it when they say it is 1 and half week track and not lie like they did in Benazir track.


CVS, please wrap this track by end of next week and spare my Akdha and their fans anymore pain and hurt. There better be some nice, happy, romantic culmination of this track. At least move their love story forward especially from Jodha's side.







Agree with both your points.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: MaddyO



Thank you Mansi - CREDIT GOES TO OUR TALK YESTERDAY AND ALSO TO DIKSHA.
she wrote a post on Ela's thread about the TC spoiler and that got me thinking about the episode. So what I wrote big thanks to Diksha. I will try to copy her post here, I am sure she won't mind.

It would be great if Balaji can hire me, but I will not like any scenes where insults of heroine are shown, so how will that work?😆


THIS WAY THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER INSULTS FOR JODHA, Cos even if she tells Jalal if he sees Sujamal in haram he will blow up again.

Secondly if Sujamal is IN HARAM before Jalal's blow out the CONSEQUENCES FOR JODHA WILL BE EVEN DIRE!

What if MA or Ruk find Sujamal?

IF THERE IS GOING TO BE NO BIG MU - then this way ONLY JODHA, JALAL AND SUJAMAL WILL KNOW. Jalal might take Adga Khan in confidence.

If I WERE TO WRITE THIS SCREEN PLAY -

I will get Jalal to keep similar written paigam in the zopadi and where names of Jodha and Sujamal are wirten - so it is clear if the paigam is written by Sujamal.
Jalal to TEST MA - should TELL MA - he is so upset with Jodha and HE CAN ONLY TRUST HIS BA - and can she go to zopadi and check?

MA will go there find the paigam but she will TEAR OFF the portion of Sujamal's name thinking then Jalal might not get upset with Jodha. Let her come to him with torn paigam with Sujamal name missing!
Maybe Jalal sent somebody after MA to check and report what she does.

Then JALAL WILL SEE MA DISTORTED THE PAIGAM TO CAST DOUBT OF JODHA.

Jalal should thank her tell her NOW SHE SHOULD RELAX HE WILL GET TO BOTTOM OF THIS AND THEN IN FUTURE NOT LISTEN TO ONE WORD SHE SAY.

IF ONLY I WAS WRITING THIS - MA😡




Maddy and Mansi... thank you for the much needed positive and very romantic scenarios.
Maddy, like I said in my other post...let Jo- Jalal have a showdown...sometimes it is cathartic and gets the rage out...then people are able to think rationally. And of course the ' making up' part is the best...for some reason, I liked MA role yesterday. She was talking like a 21 st century marriage counselor...breach in communication is the worst thing that can happen in a strained relationship. She is provoking Jalal ...and he'll get out of his silent devdas mode and confront Mirchi. Don't be scared for her...she knows how to fight her battles with Jalal.😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gem12



Yes abhay...wen every one who called up zee cheated them..since i blasted that guy badly he told me the truth..mu happens..jo il be asked to go back to amer..jalal il suspect her... see i dont mind to see this seperation track..inturn they both il miss each other n feel others pain... but for me once jalal finds jodha and seeks forgiveness will she be able to forgive him...coz till now he suspected her on other issues..but this time he il suspect her infertility ... but i dont want jodha to forgive him this time easlity if she does then he il never realise her worth n importance in his life... he il never no the value of apology...



suspect her infertility!!!!!!
God...these spellcheck autocorrects can sometimes create such hilarious situations😆I bet you meant infidelity... Jodha diagnosed with infertility? ...bina SR ke? ...Thank God MA didnt read this paigam...Jodha ko teesri baar jungle mein bhijwaana hai kya 😆

I learnt the hard way and since then keep the spell check on my iPad in a permanent 'off' position😆

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