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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: jyoti06

Nice take Mansi 👏👏👏 ... Loved your own take on how the elder sibling feels jealous when new one is born and Jalal can sense the same issue with Ruqaiyya here and so he went to her and spoke sarcastically with that smirk to chk out her reaction 😉...

Jyoti, I felt this Ruq still behaves like a child, na? So that elder sibling vs, newborn sibling type rivalry seems apt, and I won't be surprised if Jalal's tactics are also like that of a parent having second child after a long gap after the first child, where the first child thinks it can rule the parent's full love and doesn't want to share the parent!

I feel Jalal likes playing these mind games with his begums .. he really wants to get things out of Ruqaiyya's mouth about how she is feeling insecure of Jodha's growing popularity and I wont b shocked if its Jalal's idea only to make Jodha head of the harem so that Jalal can see if Jodha actually has it in her to take some major decision related to various issues so that in future Jalal can actually make Jodha sit besides him in the diwan-e-khaas and diwan-e-aam always for all the meetings related to his people and kingdom .. But he knows if he tells this directly to Ruqaiyya , she will not agree , so he must hv told her indirectly that why dont she give this power to Jodha and then she can prove that none can take care of harem more than her if Jodha fails but in his heart Jalal knows that Jodha wont fail 😉😳 ... So indirectly Ruqaiyya too will realise that Jodha is becoming spl for Jalal because of her qualities of leadership too 👍🏼
Jyoti, this is brilliant. It never occurred to me that Jalal may himself be behind this idea to make Ruq give the harem over to Jodha for administration. As you say, Jodha has a better grip on how to handle the praja, so the harem could be a starting point for training Jodha to accept more political responsibilities. I read that in historical terms Jodha was later given full charge of the ships at sea, and also the Haj pilgrims.

Playing of chess game was actually symbolic in the sense right now its actually a game of chess only going on between Jalal-Jodha and Maham-Ruqaiyya where Jalal-Jodha r like one team while Maham-Ruqaiyya is the opposition party trying to break Jalal-Jodha's unity ... So where this game of chess takes all 4 in the end and who wins it in the end remains to b seen 😛 ...Its interesting how Jalal had no plans to play with Jodha but he went on to play with her because Ruqaiyya got late which is more like how destiny is writing this script where Jalal is destined to partner Jodha in every single game of his life and not Ruqaiyya anymore 👍🏼...
Yes, I too thought this chess was symbolic, but I couldn't exactly put my finger on it. Now that you explain it, it could symbolise the two "teams, as it were. Also Jyoti, one more idea strikes ... this chess game was different because it is about "using people as mohras" which is what is happening in the Agra political hotbed. Everybody is using everybody else as a mohra, and especially Maham is using Ruq as a mohra for her chaals.


Scene where Jalal secretly sits behind Jodha and starts drying her hair thus making her blush was a cute scene but CVs got to push such scenes further and make them a bit more intense and passionate 😳 ... What I mean is right now Jalal-Jodha bonding is looking more of friendship and less of attraction but in husband-wife relationship attraction and passion plays a very important role expecially in epic love stories .. I remember how in JA movie Jodha openly lusted over Jalal's bare body during his sword practice which is quite natural ... We need such kind of raw intense scenes between Jalal-Jodha now to take their relationship to next level as husband-wife .. the whole bonding , friendship and cute talks will get repitative otherwise if the passion element is not brought in ./. ...
WE are waiting in vain for this hot body concept! From when am I salivating ...😲😲😲😲😲😲😲 yet nothing like this is happening. Nearest we came to any passion is that pre-dhakka wala scenes of Jalal ka imagination of lusting for Jodha!


Coming to Sujamal , I guess next MU is coming up as he will go to meet Jodha secretly which will result in Jalal misunderstanding Jodha big time like it was shown in movie and obviously Maham-Ruqaiyya will do the whole scripting of this misunderstanding 😡.. I will b glad if CVs do this differently than the film 😆😳

Jyoti, it seems the movie was completely off the historical mark regarding this Sujamal related MU between Jodha and Jalal, because NO SUCH THING EVER TOOK PLACE.
Abhay (History_geek) has said that there is no evidence in history that Jalal mistook Sujamal as Jodha ka lover and there was no banishment of Jodha to Amer.
So if that is correct and Ekta is more closely following history than in the movie (which she is doing definitely) then this Sujamal trip to Agra may be entirely differently handled. Maybe Jalal will get pissed off with Sujamal for attacking Mewat ... or Sharif may try to harm Sujamal ... or Sujamal may actually sneak some inside info on Sharif to Jalal
One idea comes to mind that during Mewat attack, Sujamal may see the Jodha painting owned by Sharif ... and thus tell Jodha or Jalal about Sharif's private lusting of Jodha?.
Also one more consideration: Mansingh is here in Agra who can easily tell Jalal that Sujamal is that "black sheep" brother who started the Amer war in cahoots with Sharif?

Overall it was an interesting episode with lots of new tracks developing ..

Yes Jyoti, some new angles developing very interestingly! Hope now its not any more MU between Jodha and Jalal, and it is all about Jodha plus Jalal against other enemies!

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Nandiniraizaada

So we will have the movie thing hear ??

Just see my reply to Jyoti, there I have given the reason why the movie type MU may not happen!
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Posted: 11 years ago
excellent analysis di...🤗
it was a beautiful episode in terms of Akdha...and of course sujamal re-entry paves way for the next MU and next main villain...

BB and her scenes with the ladies gang was good...everyone was happy with her return...one track had got its closure and that is jallu forgiving BB...

Akdha scenes in the room was executed beautifully...but what confuses me was jodha knows jallu stops her from embracing death in her dreams...but does she remember that jallu confess his love for her?...the soul talk was the most beautiful of Akdha scenes till date...but at times it confuses me when its mention...what do you think di?...i want to know your view in it...i am abit lost here...i love jodha's honesty when she confess that she is still not that comfortable to share personal issues with him...but then in our POV they have shared and solved alot of personal issues and turmoil together...i love the way jallu says he will wait for her...he is truly a die-hard romantic guy when it comes to jodha...from jodha expressions she was impressed by his words...jallu burns his hands...and jodha heals it...of course scolding with all the rights of his wife and he enjoys it...he always wanted a wife who cares and scold him as his wife not a queen...and he got what he wanted...he leaves and jodha did not like it...her silence spoke volumes...she wanted to spend more time with him

sujamal re-entry paves way for the next big MU b/w Akdha and hints another 2 more issue...AK-MA nearing end and SD declare as the main villain...loved the way he told his soldiers that his enimity with the mughals is one side and his love and concern for his sister another side...sujamal entry into Agra will cause problems for Akdha but then its going to be lovely watching jodha-sujamal bonding once again...revisit of beautiful memories b/w sujamal-jodha during Amer days

Akdha chess game was good...jodha wants jallu to release SD...good move...but this move is definitely going to bring big trouble in Agra as well for Akdha

ruku's jealousy...nothing new...but jallu making her jealous was uncalled for...he already knows that jodha-ruku doesn't share a normal equation...why putting ghee in already burning fire...

precap does not excite me at all...but then i am sure jodha will do way better job than her...
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Posted: 11 years ago
@Mansi : When it comes to misnuferstandings and trps , Ekta wont follow history either 😆 , so I feel Sujamal track might b more or less like the film .. they cannot show confession so soon and thats why they r trying hard to bring in other random tracks in between love track .. amidst all this MU will actually give scope to drag the whole love track further by later showing Jalal going to manaofy Jodha in Amer which happened in film too ... If u remember even Ben vishkanya track was no history either but Ekta showed it for trps .. I feel Sujamal track will also serve similar purpose only .. 🤔.. I will b pleasantly surprised if Ekta goes for actual history .. lets see 🤔

About chess game , I agree right now Ruqaiyya and Maham both r using each other as mohras for their own benefits and Jodha indirectly did tell Jalal how she is uncomfortable with tis aspect .. mayb thats why Jalal wants to see how Jodha handles the harem and so instigates Ruqaiyya for it because he knows that Ruqaiyya is still like a child .. u give her a lollypop and she will grab it 😆 ... mayb thats why Jalal never gets angry on her knowing about her immaturity in understanding relationships or emotions


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Posted: 11 years ago
Awesome brainstorming analysis Mansi!! Unfortunately cud not see the epi or the retelecasts :( so read WU and posts. and like others the precap scene was eclipsed by Jalal deliberately making Ruk jealous. he hasn't ever openly or otherwise compared the two, here he was shown going a step further by declaring that he enjoyed playing chess more with Jo than he ever did with her!! 😕 😵 😲 i was totally flummoxed!!
it can prove to be "a storm in a tea cup" matter . But your and Jyoti's theories hold more water. Brilliant idea !👍🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago
I have always noticed Ruqaiyya being late for appointments (😕) with Jalaal. In fact, she had once remarked that she doesn't wait for Shahenshah, but the Shahenshah does for her. In a way she takes him for granted, but, at the same time she wants him to place her above all else. For that matter, she doesn't bother if he has physical relationships with others, as long as she's considered important. Now, she's begun to realize, that there's someone else who could become more important, and what does she do? Instead of getting closer to her husband, she tries to get Jodha far from him. He realizes it, and, wants to point it to her that if she wants to stay the important one, she'll need to make a few amends. Merely stating the fact that, she is MEK might get her through in harem, but, not in his heart (or mind). Had she done a little introspection, she would have realized that.
Sadly, for Jalaal, both the women in his life, take him for granted. Of late Jodha has started reaching out to him, but, Ruqaiyya remains perched on her ivory tower.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sun29


earlier when he used to ask her if she is jealous and she should be as she is his wife...her answers kind of told him ,also her saying u sleep with who ever u want but i am ur BEK and u cannot hold things from me yada yada yada ...the guy was super shocked...it has been clear between them from day one that there is no mohabbat existing and they both grew to believe it ...maybe rukku does love him but the fear of rejection kept her silent and now that she is losing him ,it may creep in but too late...and he is too involved and attached to Jo to even go back


I remember one episode, Smiley Suri was portraying Rukaiyya then ... When Jalal was about to kill a begum for adultery, HB stopped him, told he has to love someone to get a child. He was disturbed and asked Rukaiyya that he does not love her, if that is the reason for him being childless!! he clearly told Rukaiyya he never loved her, she is his best friend ... but in that scene Rukaiyya was hurt, she definitely loves Jalal in her own way, but that is one-sided love, and she accepted that. Now Jalal loving some one else will be very tough to accept for her. Remembering HB's dialogue during her FS trip to follow jalal I am expecting some big MU, maybe after 1-2 weeks.

Once , during her chess game with Jalal (after tasneem track), Ruku told she will accept defeat willingly for his happiness, my only hope is at the end she will accept jodha ...but not now.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: jyoti06

@Mansi : When it comes to misnuferstandings and trps , Ekta wont follow history either 😆 , so I feel Sujamal track might b more or less like the film .. they cannot show confession so soon and thats why they r trying hard to bring in other random tracks in between love track .. amidst all this MU will actually give scope to drag the whole love track further by later showing Jalal going to manaofy Jodha in Amer which happened in film too ... If u remember even Ben vishkanya track was no history either but Ekta showed it for trps .. I feel Sujamal track will also serve similar purpose only .. 🤔.. I will b pleasantly surprised if Ekta goes for actual history .. lets see 🤔

Jyoti, I believe there was a historical reference to a vishkanya episode so a lot of the historians on the forum are saying Ekta stuck to the history quite closely. That's why I think this Sujamal also will follow history. Also one more point: they have already shown Jalal suspecting Jodha of having a lover in the "fake pregnancy track:", so I doubt again Jalal will assume Jodha has a lover in Sujamal. Also after she has driunk poison to save him and now that she is showing signs of liking his touch hand0-holding etc. I am not sure if Sujamal track will be shown as in the movie causing MU regarding Jodha having extra marital affair. As you say, let's see ... so far apparently Ekta has stuck to history more closely.

About chess game , I agree right now Ruqaiyya and Maham both r using each other as mohras for their own benefits and Jodha indirectly did tell Jalal how she is uncomfortable with tis aspect .. mayb thats why Jalal wants to see how Jodha handles the harem and so instigates Ruqaiyya for it because he knows that Ruqaiyya is still like a child .. u give her a lollypop and she will grab it 😆 ... mayb thats why Jalal never gets angry on her knowing about her immaturity in understanding relationships or emotions
Absolutely correct!


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Mages

excellent analysis di...🤗

it was a beautiful episode in terms of Akdha...and of course sujamal re-entry paves way for the next MU and next main villain...

BB and her scenes with the ladies gang was good...everyone was happy with her return...one track had got its closure and that is jallu forgiving BB...

Akdha scenes in the room was executed beautifully...but what confuses me was jodha knows jallu stops her from embracing death in her dreams...but does she remember that jallu confess his love for her?...the soul talk was the most beautiful of Akdha scenes till date...but at times it confuses me when its mention...what do you think di?...i want to know your view in it...i am abit lost here...i love jodha's honesty when she confess that she is still not that comfortable to share personal issues with him...but then in our POV they have shared and solved alot of personal issues and turmoil together...i love the way jallu says he will wait for her...he is truly a die-hard romantic guy when it comes to jodha...from jodha expressions she was impressed by his words...jallu burns his hands...and jodha heals it...of course scolding with all the rights of his wife and he enjoys it...he always wanted a wife who cares and scold him as his wife not a queen...and he got what he wanted...he leaves and jodha did not like it...her silence spoke volumes...she wanted to spend more time with him

sujamal re-entry paves way for the next big MU b/w Akdha and hints another 2 more issue...AK-MA nearing end and SD declare as the main villain...loved the way he told his soldiers that his enimity with the mughals is one side and his love and concern for his sister another side...sujamal entry into Agra will cause problems for Akdha but then its going to be lovely watching jodha-sujamal bonding once again...revisit of beautiful memories b/w sujamal-jodha during Amer days

Akdha chess game was good...jodha wants jallu to release SD...good move...but this move is definitely going to bring big trouble in Agra as well for Akdha

ruku's jealousy...nothing new...but jallu making her jealous was uncalled for...he already knows that jodha-ruku doesn't share a normal equation...why putting ghee in already burning fire...

precap does not excite me at all...but then i am sure jodha will do way better job than her...

Mages, I wish Jodha would take the harem administration role because I want to see how she will handle it, and how Ruq will behave if Jodha handles it. See Jyoti's post, she has given the idea that it may be Jalal's idea to make Ruq handover this role to Jodha! That is an interesting thought, na?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: mdeshpande

Awesome brainstorming analysis Mansi!! Unfortunately cud not see the epi or the retelecasts :( so read WU and posts. and like others the precap scene was eclipsed by Jalal deliberately making Ruk jealous. he hasn't ever openly or otherwise compared the two, here he was shown going a step further by declaring that he enjoyed playing chess more with Jo than he ever did with her!! 😕 😵 😲 i was totally flummoxed!!

it can prove to be "a storm in a tea cup" matter . But your and Jyoti's theories hold more water. Brilliant idea !👍🏼

Thanks on behalf of Jyoti and me!😃

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